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Trump is donating his salary back to the people. Imagine if all the politicians did that. I bet Obama won't give up his retirement. Clinton's either. trump is ALSO gaining A LOT MORE than his salary that he is 'donating' [and,claiming as a tax deduction!] on things like all of the MILLIONS of tax dollars that trump is making us spend to house him,and,and all of his hundreds of security personnel at his hotels,and resorts,like mara lago that he INSISTS on staying at. [at FULL PRICE] if trump is so 'altruistic' why doesn't he donate all of THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS back,as well,instead of fleecing the government[and US] out of? if trump is so 'altruistic',why do all of the bills and tax breaks ta he tries to pass always benefit HIM,HIS BUSINESSES,HIS FAMILY,and BILLIONAIRE CRONIES,while they leave US holding the bag,and paying for them? I would pay $400,000 a year to be able to gain MILLIONS of dollars,too!! [ESPECIALLY if I was going to be able to claim it on my taxes as a charitable contribution,and get it all back!!] wouldn't you? He isn't receiving that money to give back. The president has to have security. I don't blame him for visiting his properties. I visit mine too. The point I was making is, it would be great if all the "concerned about the people " politician gave up their salaries. We would see who really cares about people. what I am saying is that giving up half a mill a year for someone who has billions is more like foregoing a salary of one thousand a year for someone who has millions, so the comparison fails ... |
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Trump is donating his salary back to the people. Imagine if all the politicians did that. I bet Obama won't give up his retirement. Clinton's either. trump is ALSO gaining A LOT MORE than his salary that he is 'donating' [and,claiming as a tax deduction!] on things like all of the MILLIONS of tax dollars that trump is making us spend to house him,and,and all of his hundreds of security personnel at his hotels,and resorts,like mara lago that he INSISTS on staying at. [at FULL PRICE] if trump is so 'altruistic' why doesn't he donate all of THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS back,as well,instead of fleecing the government[and US] out of? if trump is so 'altruistic',why do all of the bills and tax breaks ta he tries to pass always benefit HIM,HIS BUSINESSES,HIS FAMILY,and BILLIONAIRE CRONIES,while they leave US holding the bag,and paying for them? I would pay $400,000 a year to be able to gain MILLIONS of dollars,too!! [ESPECIALLY if I was going to be able to claim it on my taxes as a charitable contribution,and get it all back!!] wouldn't you? He isn't receiving that money to give back. The president has to have security. I don't blame him for visiting his properties. I visit mine too. The point I was making is, it would be great if all the "concerned about the people " politician gave up their salaries. We would see who really cares about people. what I am saying is that giving up half a mill a year for someone who has billions is more like foregoing a salary of one thousand a year for someone who has millions, so the comparison fails ... Trump is working past retirement age and giving up his salary to try and fix our countries problems. I understand he doesn't need the money. But still imagine if all the politicians did that. |
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Trump is donating his salary back to the people. Imagine if all the politicians did that. I bet Obama won't give up his retirement. Clinton's either. trump is ALSO gaining A LOT MORE than his salary that he is 'donating' [and,claiming as a tax deduction!] on things like all of the MILLIONS of tax dollars that trump is making us spend to house him,and,and all of his hundreds of security personnel at his hotels,and resorts,like mara lago that he INSISTS on staying at. [at FULL PRICE] if trump is so 'altruistic' why doesn't he donate all of THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS back,as well,instead of fleecing the government[and US] out of? if trump is so 'altruistic',why do all of the bills and tax breaks ta he tries to pass always benefit HIM,HIS BUSINESSES,HIS FAMILY,and BILLIONAIRE CRONIES,while they leave US holding the bag,and paying for them? I would pay $400,000 a year to be able to gain MILLIONS of dollars,too!! [ESPECIALLY if I was going to be able to claim it on my taxes as a charitable contribution,and get it all back!!] wouldn't you? He isn't receiving that money to give back. The president has to have security. I don't blame him for visiting his properties. I visit mine too. The point I was making is, it would be great if all the "concerned about the people " politician gave up their salaries. We would see who really cares about people. what I am saying is that giving up half a mill a year for someone who has billions is more like foregoing a salary of one thousand a year for someone who has millions, so the comparison fails ... it only fails if one doesnt understand basic math let me break it down there are ONE THOUSAND thousands in a million, there are ONE THOUSAND millions in a billion someone being offered half a mill who has BILLIONS can turn it down as easily as someone being offered 500 dollars can who has millions but since no one has been offered to be paid only 500 dollars for the position of POTUS, the comparison fails IF those who had MILLIONS were only being offered 500 dollars, Im sure it would be just as easy for them to say 'just keep it' as well. |
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Trump is donating his salary back to the people. Imagine if all the politicians did that. I bet Obama won't give up his retirement. Clinton's either. trump is ALSO gaining A LOT MORE than his salary that he is 'donating' [and,claiming as a tax deduction!] on things like all of the MILLIONS of tax dollars that trump is making us spend to house him,and,and all of his hundreds of security personnel at his hotels,and resorts,like mara lago that he INSISTS on staying at. [at FULL PRICE] if trump is so 'altruistic' why doesn't he donate all of THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS back,as well,instead of fleecing the government[and US] out of? if trump is so 'altruistic',why do all of the bills and tax breaks ta he tries to pass always benefit HIM,HIS BUSINESSES,HIS FAMILY,and BILLIONAIRE CRONIES,while they leave US holding the bag,and paying for them? I would pay $400,000 a year to be able to gain MILLIONS of dollars,too!! [ESPECIALLY if I was going to be able to claim it on my taxes as a charitable contribution,and get it all back!!] wouldn't you? He isn't receiving that money to give back. The president has to have security. I don't blame him for visiting his properties. I visit mine too. The point I was making is, it would be great if all the "concerned about the people " politician gave up their salaries. We would see who really cares about people. what I am saying is that giving up half a mill a year for someone who has billions is more like foregoing a salary of one thousand a year for someone who has millions, so the comparison fails ... Trump is working past retirement age and giving up his salary to try and fix our countries problems. I understand he doesn't need the money. But still imagine if all the politicians did that. So what? lots of rich folks 'work' past retirement age. The goal of his decision is a matter for debate. Perhaps one can get addicted to power and wealth so as not to know how to or enjoy playing any other role in life? I imagine if all politicians could throw away money, even fewer would give a damn about those of us who cant. |
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Trump doesn't have billions in cash, he has Billions in Assets.
Nobody knows what he has in cash. there are plenty of billionaires who are cash poor or illiquid as they say. One of my best friends is considered a millionaire , he has 3 properties ( not including his principal residence) totalling 2.3 million dollars , total mortgages 1.1 million dollars. He is considered a millionaire, asset rich but liquid poor , I know for a fact that he has no more than 20K in his account, now if he sold his properties he will net more than million dollars minus taxes. Trump according to Forbes net worth is 3.8 billion dollars, but we dont know how much cash he has . The fact that he gave up his President salary is interesting, but of course he is a bad guy anyways so who cares, Lord knows if Obama did the same thing the left would be protesting that every state have a school named after obama and proposed him for saint hood. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 07/20/18 11:04 AM
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Trump doesn't have billions in cash, he has Billions in Assets. Nobody knows what he has in cash. there are plenty of billionaires who are cash poor or illiquid as they say. One of my best friends is considered a millionaire , he has 3 properties ( not including his principal residence) totalling 2.3 million dollars , total mortgages 1.1 million dollars. He is considered a millionaire, asset rich but liquid poor , I know for a fact that he has no more than 20K in his account, now if he sold his properties he will net more than million dollars minus taxes. Trump according to Forbes net worth is 3.8 billion dollars, but we dont know how much cash he has . The fact that he gave up his President salary is interesting, but of course he is a bad guy anyways so who cares, Lord knows if Obama did the same thing the left would be protesting that every state have a school named after obama and proposed him for saint hood. again, who cares? This is not a millionaire, this is a BILLIONAIRE with a name that is recognized as a source of billions, the rep is the credit, the credit is the CASH. If OBama had been a BILLIONAIRE, most would not think him a hero for turning down a 'mere' half mill. |
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Obama and his wife could work and turn down the retirement if they wanted to. They just choose not to. It's amazing how liberals want to claim Trump is the greedy one.
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No need to get upset, Im illustrating a point about titles.
So back to Trump, he is a billionaire yes, but we don't know how liquid he is. that was the point. |
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Obama and his wife could work and turn down the retirement if they wanted to. They just choose not to. It's amazing how liberals want to claim Trump is the greedy one. 
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No need to get upset, Im illustrating a point about titles. So back to Trump, he is a billionaire yes, but we don't know how liquid he is. that was the point. okay. but we do know the salary offered is a pittance of his worth, making it quite easy to turn away. |
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Edited by
chairman_z
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Fri 07/20/18 11:30 AM
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okay. but we do know the salary offered is a pittance of his worth, making it quite easy to turn away. msharmony with all due respect, you equating salary to net worth, one has nothing to do with the other. Warren Buffets earns a salary of $125K a year( not including his dividend payments) as Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway , his net worth is 80 plus billion dollars. Like I said a few times we don't know what is his liquid cash is if Trump has Millions in cash then yeah you are right its just a drop in a bucket for him but since we dont know Im not going to comment except that good for him not taking a president salary and probably not the pension, now that would be impressive. Im sure he will take the secret service protection, it beats paying for security out of his own pockets. |
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The reason the word treason has been used in the media was to cause division between Russia and the U.S..not to protect the people ..but to protect themselves ..the Deep State..the real traitors who have been selling out our country..They are the ones who made the fake dossier,who have trafficked children,who have had people killed to cover up their dirty deeds..The New World Order Worships Satan..that's who you are aligning yourselves with..when you support those who oppose Trump..I know there are some who may not believe this..but it's true..Their main objective was to keep Putin and the President separated..because the Deep State knew Putin had information on the them..and like the chess master that he is..Trump knew that Germany and Putin had a sweet oil pipeline deal, So Trump went to NATO because we protect Germany from Russia and put Putin's deal at risk ..a warning to Russia and Putin who also knows about Uranium One..so there was pretty much a trade off..we wont push against the pipeline deal..but we need some information..The passing of the soccer ball was very significant..Did you catch it..Now the Deep State knows Trump is in possession of unredacted information on the Deep State and their communications...so now the word TREASON is used to incite and to overthrow..not for the people who align with them ..but for the Deep State and it's GLOBALISTS agenda..and you it's slaves of the MSM..the ones the us they have been using all these years.. There are so many facets to this story unknown to those who haven't done the research..this political story has so much depth so many layers..Do the research..the truth is out there..ever hear of twilight language? |
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okay. but we do know the salary offered is a pittance of his worth, making it quite easy to turn away. msharmony with all due respect, you equating salary to net worth, one has nothing to do with the other. Warren Buffets earns a salary of $125K a year( not including his dividend payments) as Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway , his net worth is 80 plus billion dollars. Like I said a few times we don't know what is his liquid cash is if Trump has Millions in cash then yeah you are right its just a drop in a bucket for him but since we dont know Im not going to comment except that good for him not taking a president salary and probably not the pension, now that would be impressive. Im sure he will take the secret service protection, it beats paying for security out of his own pockets. no. Im not. Im understanding that we live in an age of CREDIT. so when one is a billionaire, asset vs liquid means nothing, which is why someone of his status can repeatedly file bankruptcies and continue to have banks work with and for him. |
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no. Im not. Im understanding that we live in an age of CREDIT. so when one is a billionaire, asset vs liquid means nothing, which is why someone of his status can repeatedly file bankruptcies and continue to have banks work with and for him. msharmony I say this with all due respect so please do not think Im picking on you or trying to besmirch you in any way. But you really don't understand finance or economics. Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy , corporate bankruptcy is not the same thing 2) his bankruptcies were chapter 11, not chapter 7, the people that took a hit weren't little ole Grandma betty with her life savings from baking cookies. These were institutional and high rollers, and most of them took a hair cut ( financial term ) 6 chapter 11's out of 500 plus are pretty good numbers, now if he went chapter 7 maybe and maybe we can talk about certain thing. |
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no. Im not. Im understanding that we live in an age of CREDIT. so when one is a billionaire, asset vs liquid means nothing, which is why someone of his status can repeatedly file bankruptcies and continue to have banks work with and for him. msharmony I say this with all due respect so please do not think Im picking on you or trying to besmirch you in any way. But you really don't understand finance or economics. Trump has never filed personal bankruptcy , corporate bankruptcy is not the same thing 2) his bankruptcies were chapter 11, not chapter 7, the people that took a hit weren't little ole Grandma betty with her life savings from baking cookies. These were institutional and high rollers, and most of them took a hair cut ( financial term ) 6 chapter 11's out of 500 plus are pretty good numbers, now if he went chapter 7 maybe and maybe we can talk about certain thing. I can believe that when you show me other billionaires who only filed SIX chapter 11s. and relatively speaking, the point still stands that a billionaire, even if we dont know how much is asset vs liquid can turn away a half mill much easier than a millionaire for whom we also dont know their asset vs liquid ratio. |
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what CORPORATE bankruptcy means is that you STILL default on your loans,and leave OTHER people,and institutions holding the bag because of your mistakes,and bad judgement,EXCEPT you dont have to accept any personal responsibility for the bad decisions that you made.
sort of like trump is doing to the country right now... excercising bad judgement,and making bad decisions,and,when it is all said and done,he will just leave other people [the american taxpayers] holding the bag to pay for his mistakes. cuz,that is what trump has made a lifelong habit of doing! expecting him to do anything else would be pretty delusional. |
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Msharmony, most billionaires that goes bankrupt is personal bankruptcy not corporate.
When you someone that owns hundreds of companies they are not perfect and all money makers Hence the chapter 11 vs 7 If he had 6 chapter 7, I might be inclined to at least listen to the naysayers. Mr.Shovelhead dave. I can see you've never been in business, its easy to say he is a sh-itty business man from the side, when you own a business that is more than a small cap then we can talk. I don't know all of Trump's business dealings I can only speak for a few that I know of and Ive questioned some of his dealings particularly the real estate developments in New York and Jersey because............ well Im not going to get into to and give you guys fuel for the fire If you discover it then I will agree with you on it and not defend Trump, because that he has to explain for sure. |
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As I said, there are other billionaires in the US who 'own' (are members, chairmans or trustees of hundreds of companies) and Id love to see how common it is among them to file that many chapter 11s.
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Edited by
shovelheaddave
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Fri 07/20/18 01:58 PM
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As I said, there are other billionaires in the US who 'own' (are members, chairmans or trustees of hundreds of companies) and Id love to see how common it is among them to file that many chapter 11s. I wouldn't think that it is common at all! MOST people who are intelligent enough to MAKE IT to that level know not to back a bad investment... unfortunately,trump didn't MAKE IT to that level.. he INHERITED his money,so he was BORN in to that level,which doesnt necessarily mean that he isn't smart,but in this case,he keeps making bad decisions because he doesn't think things through,and makes rash decisions,which have cost him SEVERELY,and caused him to continue to have to declare bankruptcy,and leave OTHER people holding the bag and pay the price for his bad decisions. which is basically what he is doing to this country. I think that in trump's case,he is more concerned with the image that he projects to the public,and with 'being flashy' than with making good,smart decisions! he might be good at 'being flashy',but 'flashy' obviously doesn't pay the bills! just ask any of the hundreds/thousands of people he has left stuck out,and in debt,after they foolishly invested in his ventures because they were not wise enough to see PAST his flashiness and see what he REALLY was. and,chapter 11's are only a SMALL part of his failures... just think about all of the people who have filed LAWSUITS against him,because of the things he has done,and the bad decisions that he has made that caused THEM to have to file bankruptcy,just because they invested in him/his ventures... that means that he has had A LOT more failures than just the 11 times that HE has had to file bankruptcy! THAT is why he has had to turn to foreign investors,such as the Russians,and China to find anyone that will still lend him money at this point. but,unfortunately,since HE OWES these foreign investors,that means that HE OWES them,and they have leverage that hey can use against him. which is WHY it is so important that the publc be allowed o see his tax returns,sothey will know if he is in a position for any foreign power to manipulate him in any way!! BUT,for SOME REASON,he is terrified to release his tax returns and let people see who could potentially have control over him?? I wonder why that is?? [no,i don't!!] |
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Edited by
chairman_z
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Fri 07/20/18 02:45 PM
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As I said, there are other billionaires in the US who 'own' (are members, chairmans or trustees of hundreds of companies) and Id love to see how common it is among them to file that many chapter 11s. msharmony you just proved my point , if you don't know the difference between private and public companies then there is no point in continuing this dialogue as you've exhausted my good will. I wouldn't think that it is common at all! MOST people who are intelligent enough to MAKE IT to that level know not to back a bad investment... unfortunately,trump didn't MAKE IT to that level.. shovelhead dave Another one that suffers from alethephobia, sigh he INHERITED his money,so he was BORN in to that level,which doesnt necessarily mean that he isn't smart,but in this case,he keeps making bad decisions because he doesn't think things through,and makes rash decisions,which have cost him SEVERELY,and caused him to continue to have to declare bankruptcy,and leave OTHER people holding the bag and pay the price for his bad decisions. shovelhead dave I see a lot of snap, crackle but no pop, sounds like envy on your part, You know why its called investment and risk? its not guarantee , people take risk, some wins and some don't. If making billions was easy, then every powerball winner should be a billionaire today, but we know that isn't the case. just ask any of the hundreds/thousands of people he has left stuck out,and in debt,after they foolishly invested in his ventures because they were not wise enough to see PAST his flashiness and see what he REALLY was. shovelhead dave And none of this has to do with his presidency, this is just sour grapes, now. People greedy and stupid enough to pay all the that to see if they can become millionaires over night... yeah on this side of the isle we call that stupidity and greed. and,chapter 11's are only a SMALL part of his failures... just think about all of the people who have filed LAWSUITS against him,because of the things he has done,and the bad decisions that he has made that caused THEM to have to file bankruptcy,just because they invested in him/his ventures... that means that he has had A LOT more failures than just the 11 times that HE has had to file bankruptcy! THAT is why he has had to turn to foreign investors,such as the Russians,and China to find anyone that will still lend him money at this point. but,unfortunately,since HE OWES these foreign investors,that means that HE OWES them,and they have leverage that hey can use against him. shovelhead dave Again with the lies, its not 11 times it was six you know after five and before seven. and so what he has to go to foreign investors,what is your point? which is WHY it is so important that the publc be allowed o see his tax returns,sothey will know if he is in a position for any foreign power to manipulate him in any way!! BUT,for SOME REASON,he is terrified to release his tax returns and let people see who could potentially have control over him?? I wonder why that is?? [no,i don't!!] shovelhead dave You obviously don't know how to read tax returns, a tax return wont tell us if he owns any foreign power money LMAO and who has control over him... too funny Dave. Your personal disdain for Trump is now a problem, before it was an issue but its damn right scary now. wow. I may not be a fan of Trump the man, but Im not about to rag on the guy for his past behaviour or some of his business practices. I care what he does in the White house and how to make America safer again so when Im confronted by violent leftists I know what I can or cannot do. |
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