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Topic: Pakistan elects it's "Trump"
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Mon 07/30/18 03:53 PM
The problem with Sharia law like many other religious laws in those that interprets it.

Most Muslims interprets Sharia law one way, focusing on the peace part and the hardliners who do strict interpretation word for word, this is what divides the religion and most religions.

If you look at Christianity, you have those who follow the new testament and those ( cults) that follow the old testament and you get those who interprets it differently and develop extremist views like the Ku klux klan, they are all "Christians" but basing it on their twisted interpretation.

Jehovah Witness to roman catholic to Amish/Mennonites

Same thing with Islam and that is part of the problem how to tell the two apart for the average person who is non Muslim.



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Mon 07/30/18 04:04 PM

The problem with Sharia law like many other religious laws in those that interprets it.

Most Muslims interprets Sharia law one way, focusing on the peace part and the hardliners who do strict interpretation word for word, this is what divides the religion and most religions.

If you look at Christianity, you have those who follow the new testament and those ( cults) that follow the old testament and you get those who interprets it differently and develop extremist views like the Ku klux klan, they are all "Christians" but basing it on their twisted interpretation.

Jehovah Witness to roman catholic to Amish/Mennonites

Same thing with Islam and that is part of the problem how to tell the two apart for the average person who is non Muslim.



I don't see a need to tell them apart...I'm not muslim, and won't abide by Sharia law ever, nor will I allow women who don't want it to be a part of it...

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Mon 07/30/18 04:08 PM


Truth is most of the sharia laws don't work for me..some things are just better left alone..If I wanted to adopt a whole new set of laws I would move..What, is like the U.S suffering from an identity crisis now..noway

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Mon 07/30/18 04:17 PM
Edited by chairman_z on Mon 07/30/18 04:27 PM

I don't see a need to tell them apart...I'm not muslim, and won't abide by Sharia law ever, nor will I allow women who don't want it to be a part of it... mightymoe


that isn't what I said, or refered to or suggested.

I just gave my point of view ,an opinion nothing more nothing less.

I have no problem with people and their religions whoever they want to worship , how they dress, what they eat etc.

When it becomes an issue is those who want me to convert, respect their laws, ignore our laws, expect me to address them in their language, tell me where I can or cannot go ( no go zones)

And worse they dont respect my beliefs or religion.

Im tired of people saying happy holidays vs Merry Christmas because it offends a few folks who dont believe in Judaeo christian beliefs, and when I have american money on my persons and Im shopping or whatever and I look at the dollar bill it says " in God we trust" not "in Allah we trust" I have to remind some of the zealots that.

Other than that I have no problems with those who have their own believes and respects my beliefs.

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Mon 07/30/18 04:22 PM
Edited by Serchin4MyRedWine on Mon 07/30/18 04:26 PM

There are many versions of Shariah and depending on the country it is interpreted and practiced differently.
According to Hudud and how testimony is given according to Islamic law, woman do not have equal rights as men.

As an example in rape or incest cases it takes the testimony of 3 men and 1 woman or in some cases 2 men and six women.
Almost a 3 to 1 disparity in how much a woman's testimony is valued as a mans.

So tell me in which country that predominately practices Shariah law that 1 woman's testimony can put a man in jail?

Thank you for prooving yourself ignorant by sayin women testimony in hudud wich is not existent as a man's testimony not existence in birth and lineage where only women testify wich make testimony related not to gender but to the subject of testimony
By the way testimony is a duty not a right
Sir if you hate Islam hated as much you like to but if you wanna prove it wrong then at least be decent enough to state truths not lies and know that god in the Qur'an dare anybody to prove it wrong and for that you need to get in line behind the doctors,physicians,mathematician....
Good night

You are not making any sense, Men and woman testify in Sharia courts all the time....don't try using semantics about birth and lineage...So you never answered the question!
Name one city in Pakistan where a woman can go to the police and have a man arrested and put in jail on her word or testimony.

If a woman got raped by her neighbor she wouldn't even go to the police because she would probably be beaten by her husband for causing the rape!

What about "honor killings" that are not against Shariah?

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Mon 07/30/18 04:23 PM


I don't see a need to tell them apart...I'm not muslim, and won't abide by Sharia law ever, nor will I allow women who don't want it to be a part of it... mightymoe


that isn't what I said, or refereed to or suggested.

I just gave my point of view ,an opinion nothing more nothing less.

I have no problem with people and their religions whoever they want to worship , how they dress, what they eat etc.

When it becomes an issue is those who want me to convert, respect their laws, ignore our laws, expect me to address them in their language, tell me where I can or cannot go ( no go zones)

And worse they dont respect my beliefs or religion.

Im tired of people saying happy holidays vs Merry Christmas because it offends a few folks who dont believe in Judaeo christian beliefs, and when I have american money on my persons and Im shopping or whatever and I look at the dollar bill it says " in God we trust" not "in Allah we trust" I have to remind some of the zealots that.

Other than that I have no problems with those who have their own believes and respects my beliefs.

I agree 100%...maybe I should have said I'm not gunna listen to any religions rules and regulations... For those who want to, more power to them...for those who don't and are trapped inside, I'll do what I can to help them get out...

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Mon 07/30/18 04:25 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Mon 07/30/18 04:33 PM


There are many versions of Shariah and depending on the country it is interpreted and practiced differently.
According to Hudud and how testimony is given according to Islamic law, woman do not have equal rights as men.

As an example in rape or incest cases it takes the testimony of 3 men and 1 woman or in some cases 2 men and six women.
Almost a 3 to 1 disparity in how much a woman's testimony is valued as a mans.

So tell me in which country that predominately practices Shariah law that 1 woman's testimony can put a man in jail?

Thank you for prooving yourself ignorant by sayin women testimony in hudud wich is not existent as a man's testimony not existence in birth and lineage where only women testify wich make testimony related not to gender but to the subject of testimony
By the way testimony is a duty not a right
Sir if you hate Islam hated as much you like to but if you wanna prove it wrong then at least be decent enough to state truths not lies and know that god in the Qur'an dare anybody to prove it wrong and for that you need to get in line behind the doctors,physicians,mathematician....
Good night

You are not making any sense, Men and woman testify in Sharia courts all the time....don't try using semantics about birth and linage...So you never answered the question!
Name one city in Pakistan where a woman can go to the police and have a man arrested and put in jail on her word or testimony.

If a woman got raped by her neighbor she wouldn't even go to the police because she would probably be beaten by her husband for causing the rape!

What about "honor killings" that are not against Shariah?
some of the more fanatical countries bury the woman up to her neck in the sand and throw rocks at her head till she's dead for getting raped... They call it adultry...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/islamic-state-stones-four-rape-victims-to-death-for-committing-adultery

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Mon 07/30/18 04:28 PM



There is a reason for the separation of church and state..and I'm fine with that..believe as you will..I wouldn't care if one wanted to believe in floor mats..that's an individual choice and there's nothing wrong with individuality to a certain extent..But when you take someone's belief and turn it into a law that I must abide by..well than all I can say is you might want to change the gun laws first..which may be why they have tried to lately..ya never know what these shady fkrs are up to these days...spock

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Mon 07/30/18 04:42 PM

You are talking about some arab's country doctrine not sharia law and for the percetage does that include whit supremacist,fashis,pretend Christian wish not included in terroris and labeled as mental illness
Unlike you sir I make a difference between born Christian and real Christian ,Jews and real Jews,Muslims and real Muslims...
Being born and labeled as something doesn't me you are it
Thank you very much

These Arab "doctrines" are based on Sharia.
And as for your comment about hating Islam, far from the truth. I have many Muslim friends that reject Sharia laws and believe woman are as equal to men in the eyes of God and the law.
The Quran is like the Bible, it can be used for spiritual fulfillment or used as tool to deceive and control people.

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Mon 07/30/18 04:53 PM


You are talking about some arab's country doctrine not sharia law and for the percetage does that include whit supremacist,fashis,pretend Christian wish not included in terroris and labeled as mental illness
Unlike you sir I make a difference between born Christian and real Christian ,Jews and real Jews,Muslims and real Muslims...
Being born and labeled as something doesn't me you are it
Thank you very much

These Arab "doctrines" are based on Sharia.
And as for your comment about hating Islam, far from the truth. I have many Muslim friends that reject Sharia laws and believe woman are as equal to men in the eyes of God and the law.
The Quran is like the Bible, it can be used for spiritual fulfillment or used as tool to deceive and control people.
I will say this about the muslim religion - it's not a bad religion, it's a few people that make it seem bad...in the smaller villages, they apoint an iman, or head cleric, that basically is the mouth if Allah, so to speak...they are the ones who issues the edicts, which can be good or bad in our eyes, but in their eyes, if the edict is issued, it's not even thought about, it's law...so if the cleric is a stupid person who issues derogatory edicts about women, the men will follow it without question

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Mon 07/30/18 04:57 PM

Americans should hope we never get sharia laws inforced in this Country.

There is an agenda going forth in that direction already.

Do your research .

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Mon 07/30/18 05:04 PM



You are talking about some arab's country doctrine not sharia law and for the percetage does that include whit supremacist,fashis,pretend Christian wish not included in terroris and labeled as mental illness
Unlike you sir I make a difference between born Christian and real Christian ,Jews and real Jews,Muslims and real Muslims...
Being born and labeled as something doesn't me you are it
Thank you very much

These Arab "doctrines" are based on Sharia.
And as for your comment about hating Islam, far from the truth. I have many Muslim friends that reject Sharia laws and believe woman are as equal to men in the eyes of God and the law.
The Quran is like the Bible, it can be used for spiritual fulfillment or used as tool to deceive and control people.
I will say this about the muslim religion - it's not a bad religion, it's a few people that make it seem bad...in the smaller villages, they apoint an iman, or head cleric, that basically is the mouth if Allah, so to speak...they are the ones who issues the edicts, which can be good or bad in our eyes, but in their eyes, if the edict is issued, it's not even thought about, it's law...so if the cleric is a stupid person who issues derogatory edicts about women, the men will follow it without question


There is a huge distinction between the Muslim religion,and Sharia law.
The Taliban who are Muslim but adhere to the most stringent form of Sharia law that make them extremists.

Everyone can practice whatever religion they want, the problem is when it is forced upon people by governments.

Imagine if Christianity was forced on us and you'd be arrested for coveting your neighbors wife or adultery.smokin

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Mon 07/30/18 05:56 PM




You are talking about some arab's country doctrine not sharia law and for the percetage does that include whit supremacist,fashis,pretend Christian wish not included in terroris and labeled as mental illness
Unlike you sir I make a difference between born Christian and real Christian ,Jews and real Jews,Muslims and real Muslims...
Being born and labeled as something doesn't me you are it
Thank you very much

These Arab "doctrines" are based on Sharia.
And as for your comment about hating Islam, far from the truth. I have many Muslim friends that reject Sharia laws and believe woman are as equal to men in the eyes of God and the law.
The Quran is like the Bible, it can be used for spiritual fulfillment or used as tool to deceive and control people.
I will say this about the muslim religion - it's not a bad religion, it's a few people that make it seem bad...in the smaller villages, they apoint an iman, or head cleric, that basically is the mouth if Allah, so to speak...they are the ones who issues the edicts, which can be good or bad in our eyes, but in their eyes, if the edict is issued, it's not even thought about, it's law...so if the cleric is a stupid person who issues derogatory edicts about women, the men will follow it without question


There is a huge distinction between the Muslim religion,and Sharia law.
The Taliban who are Muslim but adhere to the most stringent form of Sharia law that make them extremists.

Everyone can practice whatever religion they want, the problem is when it is forced upon people by governments.

Imagine if Christianity was forced on us and you'd be arrested for coveting your neighbors wife or adultery.smokin

Sharia law is one of the edicts some idiot came up with...

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Mon 07/30/18 07:46 PM
Imran Khan, former Cricket Captain, is viewed as a great positive change by us Indians.

Khan's interview by Assange seems to cofirm this view

https://scroll.in/video/888507/julian-assanges-2012-interview-with-imran-khan-may-still-offer-glimpses-of-the-next-pak-pms-plans


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Mon 07/30/18 08:49 PM

Imran Khan, former Cricket Captain, is viewed as a great positive change by us Indians.

Khan's interview by Assange seems to cofirm this view

https://scroll.in/video/888507/julian-assanges-2012-interview-with-imran-khan-may-still-offer-glimpses-of-the-next-pak-pms-plans


lol..my Indian friend has said that Pakistan and India are the same as Mexico and the US... basically, the same problems...

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Tue 07/31/18 12:43 AM
Whatever happens in Pakistan,
I hope the process and outcome,
are peaceful.

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