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Topic: Madness Is Mandatory
tontodiesel Joined Mon 10/07/19 Posts: 13	Mon 10/07/19 03:05 PM
And why is madness mandatory? Because we are born into an imagined order which is inherently disingenuous and adversarial. It has actually become an amalgam of multiple orders struggling for control and security, but the survival strategies of various orders is, by default, a product of the cohesion of millions of reactive minds. Each has identified with the values and imperatives of its own configuration of these various orders and is threatened by other configurations. Finding common cause with those most similar to one's own results in willful blindness to inconvenient truths about the deficiencies and contradictions of one's world model. Rather than analyze, compare, and refine their technique using the Rational Mind, they are driven by the Reactive and the resulting cohesion produces the familiar social identity inertia which seems impervious to reason.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Mon 10/07/19 03:32 PM


Rock Joined Thu 10/09/08 Posts: 21250	Mon 10/07/19 03:34 PM
Cute phone

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 8916	Mon 10/07/19 04:21 PM
If I was born into an imagined reality then I imagine I am not mad lmao Why is madness mandatory??? Is this about trump again

mzrosie Joined Wed 08/14/13 Posts: 33997	Mon 10/07/19 04:26 PM
How is the Lone Ranger, Tonto?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Mon 10/07/19 05:35 PM
Um, the word tonto is Spanish for . . . Oh, never mind.

tontodiesel Joined Mon 10/07/19 Posts: 13	Mon 10/07/19 05:41 PM
lol Trump is not that important. he is only a symptom of the disease. this is about cognitive dissonance.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Mon 10/07/19 06:19 PM
I found what I need to understand the first post in this topic:

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 8916	Mon 10/07/19 06:55 PM
lol Trump is not that important. he is only a symptom of the disease. this is about cognitive dissonance. perhaps the fox and the grapes would have been a better introduction

oldkid46 Joined Fri 02/09/18 Posts: 1710	Tue 10/08/19 08:07 AM
I believe the OP is talking about the polarization in America. We are born into a group based on our social, economic, educational, and political views. We then go through life defending these values against those who have different views and are part of a different group. There are many different groups with their own values and agendas. We have become so entrenched in our own viewpoints that we refuse to consider any other viewpoints. This has just made us more adversarial and can destroy any chance of compromise while increasing the possibility of violence within our society. You're wrong so I must destroy you! This can only be considered madness in many respects!!

motowndowntown Joined Wed 11/19/08 Posts: 21346	Tue 10/08/19 09:39 AM
IDK WTF but my brain hurt after reading this.

Larsi666 😽 Joined Wed 01/31/18 Posts: 17111	Tue 10/08/19 09:56 AM
Madness? Not a bad band. "One step beyond" is a great song

Tom4Uhere Joined Sat 12/17/16 Posts: 16240	Tue 10/08/19 11:45 AM
And why is madness mandatory? Because we are born into an imagined order which is inherently disingenuous and adversarial. It has actually become an amalgam of multiple orders struggling for control and security, but the survival strategies of various orders is, by default, a product of the cohesion of millions of reactive minds. Each has identified with the values and imperatives of its own configuration of these various orders and is threatened by other configurations. Finding common cause with those most similar to one's own results in willful blindness to inconvenient truths about the deficiencies and contradictions of one's world model. Rather than analyze, compare, and refine their technique using the Rational Mind, they are driven by the Reactive and the resulting cohesion produces the familiar social identity inertia which seems impervious to reason. I believe the OP is talking about the polarization in America. We are born into a group based on our social, economic, educational, and political views. We then go through life defending these values against those who have different views and are part of a different group. There are many different groups with their own values and agendas. We have become so entrenched in our own viewpoints that we refuse to consider any other viewpoints. This has just made us more adversarial and can destroy any chance of compromise while increasing the possibility of violence within our society. You're wrong so I must destroy you! This can only be considered madness in many respects!! I get it. I agree. tontodiesel, a suggestion... Coffee Houses, Bars & Chit Chat is probably not the best forum to put a philosophical discussion. Most of us think of this forum as a place for entertainment and joking around. You might try contacting a moderator to see if it can be moved to the Science & Philosophy forum. You might get better responses.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Tue 10/08/19 11:49 AM
When I read the title of this topic, I thought it was stating the requirement for getting into Mingle2.

tontodiesel Joined Mon 10/07/19 Posts: 13	Tue 10/08/19 01:54 PM
points for oldkid! yes, but if we approach such a topic directly we will be quickly pigeonholed as left or right. from there we have to rely on the universal agreement: we all have to agree to disagree to some degree. perhaps there is a more appropriate forum but idk. I didnt expect anyone to get it. there's hope! hahahaa

Blondey111 Joined Sun 01/27/13 Posts: 8916	Tue 10/08/19 03:49 PM
Agreeing to disagree does not change knowledge or emotional discomfort it is simply an act of disengagement . @Tonto ...You shouldn't be so surprised ., There are some clever people in the forums @tom .. I think the topic was originally posted in the political forum (which is why I commented on trump) and was moved by the fairies to chitchat

tontodiesel Joined Mon 10/07/19 Posts: 13	Tue 10/08/19 06:10 PM
Agreeing to disagree does not change knowledge or emotional discomfort it is simply an act of disengagement . @Tonto ...You shouldn't be so surprised ., There are some clever people in the forums @tom .. I think the topic was originally posted in the political forum (which is why I commented on trump) and was moved by the fairies to chitchat clever indeed. I agree. while it is disengagement it is also in the spirit of cooperation due to mindfulness of irreconcilable differences. in our current climate there is too much identification with beliefs as making one who they are. that's why it gets so personal. thx Blondey you are awesome 🕵

Tom4Uhere Joined Sat 12/17/16 Posts: 16240	Tue 10/08/19 06:24 PM
@tom .. I think the topic was originally posted in the political forum (which is why I commented on trump) and was moved by the fairies to chitchat aHa! Typical example of the same thing the op is stating. However, if it were moved to the Science & Philosophy forum there may have been a completely different discussion resulting in others thought provoking input. Funny how things work out?

Redrider1500 Joined Wed 04/25/18 Posts: 865	Tue 10/08/19 06:25 PM
It's common illogical conclusions.

Tom4Uhere Joined Sat 12/17/16 Posts: 16240	Tue 10/08/19 06:38 PM
It's common illogical conclusions. Is it? The difference between reality and delusion is reality persists while delusion is subject to change by relativity.