Topic: Coronavirus
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Tue 12/08/20 07:55 PM
Edited by The Wrong Alice on Tue 12/08/20 07:59 PM
If I'm a sincere saddhhu or rastafarian, can I smoke ganja as it is a sacrament
Can I sincerely invent my own religion, with it's own views
These fascists will try anything to strip away your freedom, then beat you with a freedom stick for saying that, until you say, of course I'm free
Check out the aghoris, they maintain that all opposites are illusory, and sometimes do some mad stuff like cover themselves in or eat turds. They eat everything out of a human skull. I'd say there beliefs are pretty sincere, and devout, yet somehow I don't think the unions would allow them their chosen way of living

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Wed 12/09/20 06:59 AM
an employer can force an employee to get vaccinated, and if they don’t, fire them

This begs a certain question.

Have you or anyone you know, actually faced such an ultimatum?
Precisely how 'real' is it?

Is it every other company or one in one thousand?
How close is the ultimatum to actual life experience or is it more fearmongering from the press?

Consider this:
If you work in a shop or stand on an assembly line for 8 hours a day you don't interact with the general public much, if at all.
If you work in a public lobby or an industry that puts you in close proximity with the general public all day, nearly every day.

Where I could see mandatory vaccinations for some occupations it shouldn't apply to all occupations.

A 'blanket' law would be unjust. A violation of the 'intent' of the 4th Amendment. Its the govt, by proxy, forcing its will upon its citizens without proper cause and lawful procedures.

What should happen, if it must happen at all is;
The law giving power to end employment based on a personal vaccine decision should apply only to the occupations where the bulk of the job puts you in contact with the public.
For occupations with little or no public contact it should be illegal to fire because of personal vaccine decisions.
Those employers may encourage its employees to get vaccinated but can't fire them if they choose not to.

It all boils down to government sanctioned, employer generated harassment.
You can easily substitute Vaccination harassment with physical, mental or sexual harassment. The 'intent' is the same.
Its a violation of personal freedom and setting such a precedent opens the door for future problems resulting in more forfeiture of personal freedom.

If I, a lowly disabled truck mechanic , can see this easily, I'm sure the educated people who protect us from unjust laws can too.
This is why I believe this is all more fearmongering from the press.

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Wed 12/09/20 07:20 AM
Well then they won't make it a law
But they won't make a law against either
So, slowly slowly catchy monkey
First 1 company does it 1 month, then a 100 more the next month, and so on, until lo and behold. Dang, they just sawed a woman in half, and put it her back together again, I saw her toes wiggle and everything, with me own 2 eyes. It's a miracle yessir
It's a miracle, hallelujah, praise the lord. Pass the wild Turkey and the Saturday night special

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Sat 12/12/20 09:53 AM
I stumbled across this on FB. It has been composed of information by neutral, reliable sources as much as possible.
It's about the vaccine so you can make an informed decision.
It's a mile long, just read what interests you. I doubt many will read the ingredients, some parts of which are kept vague.

It has a list of mild AND sever side-effects which are totally shocking!
And also reading that 21% of the ones who took the vaccine in the trial got severe side-effects...
That's way too high for a good vaccine. It's unbelievable they're trying to ram this down our throat.

Anywho, read yourself:

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Thx for sharing Nicole Emilie

This is probably the most important post I will ever make. If you have been contemplating getting the covid-19 vaccine, take the time and educate yourself first and be aware of what it is, the risks, your informed consent, and other treatments available (yes, there are plenty of treatments effective against covid-19, many have been suppressed). This vaccine is very different than other vaccines as it is the first mRNA vaccine and first coronavirus vaccine where all other coronavirus vaccines have failed in the past - yet, somehow in less than a year without long term testing trials and skipped animal testing, this one is our supposed redemption. I've done all the research for you with as many credible sources that I can find. No "conspiracy theory" blogs or articles. I have tried to keep news links to a minimum here for sources as they often are unreliable. This is the real deal and the facts for those who want it straight from the source. All sources are cited in each section.
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Special thanks to fellow freedom fighters for helping me compile these great sources. All we want to do is help people and get this information out there.
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---------- Covid-19 Vaccine Ingredients List ----------
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ACTIVE INGREDIENT:
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β€’ RNA ingredient BNT-162B2 (UNII: 5085ZFP6S) (RNA ingredient BNT-162B2 - UNII:5085ZFP6S)Basis of Strength: RNA ingredient BNT-162B2
Strength: 0.23 mg in 1.8 mL
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INACTIVE INGREDIENTS:
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β€’ lipid ALC-0159 (UNII: PJH39UMU6H) and lipid ALC-0315 (UNII: AVX8DX713V)
β€’ POTASSIUM CHLORIDE (UNII: 660YQ98I10)
β€’ MONOBASIC POTASSIUM PHOSPHATE (UNII: 4J9FJ0HL51)
β€’ SODIUM CHLORIDE (UNII: 451W47IQ8X)
β€’ SODIUM PHOSPHATE, DIBASIC, UNSPECIFIED FORM (UNII: GR686LBA74)
β€’ SUCROSE (UNII: C151H8M554)
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Ingredients explained, sourced from direct communications of Pfizer and Moderna Therapeutics: https://www.technologyreview.com/.../what-are-the.../
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It is to be noted in this review that lipid ALC-0315 is the primary ingredient in the formulation and it's also a component that can cause side-effects or allergic reactions. It is also to be noted that for the RNA ingredient, the spike gene sequence can be tweaked in small ways for better performance, by means that include swapping letters. We don’t think Pfizer has said exactly what sequence it is using, or what modified nucleosides. That means the content of the shot may not be 100% public. Why is it not 100% public? Shouldn't we have the right to know everything that is in the vaccine in order to properly give informed consent to taking it?
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Ingredients Source: https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm...
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---------- The Vaccine Doesn't Even Contain The Virus ----------
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"To build an mRNA vaccine, scientists only need access to the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2, and not the actual virus. Our scientists have focused on the genetic sequence for the virus's "spike" protein, which can then be used to synthesize an mRNA sequence, instructions that the cell can use to make the "spike" protein. The Synthetic mRNA is then packaged in a lipid nanoparticle (LNP) that serves as a "delivery vehicle" shuttling the instructions to our cells. Once inside the cells, the cellular machinery follows the mRNA instructions to product the viral protein, which is then displayed on the surface of the cell and stimulates the immune system to mount a response."
SOURCE: https://www.pfizer.co.uk/pfizer-and-biontech-start-human...
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---------- POSSIBLE COVID-19 VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS ----------
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Possible Mild Side Effects List:
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β€’ Fever
β€’ Fatigue
β€’ Headache
β€’ Muscle pain
β€’ Joint pain
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Possible Serious Side Effects List:
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β€’ Guillain-BarrΓ© syndrome
β€’ Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
β€’ Transverse myelitis
β€’ Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/
β€’ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/
β€’ encepholapathy
β€’ Convulsions/seizures
β€’ Stroke
β€’ Narcolepsy and cataplexy
β€’ Anaphylaxis
β€’ Acute myocardial infarction
β€’ Myocarditis/pericarditis
β€’ Autoimmune disease
β€’ Deaths
β€’ Pregnancy and birth outcomes
β€’ Other acute demyelinating diseases
β€’ Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
β€’ Thrombocytopenia
β€’ Disseminated intravascular coagulation
β€’ Venous thromboembolism
β€’ Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
β€’ Kawasaki disease
β€’ Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
β€’ Vaccine enhanced disease
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β€’ It should be noted that Bell's Palsy was also reported in 4 of the volunteers who took the covid-19 vaccine, though interestingly, the FDA denies it was caused by the vaccine.
β€’It should also be noted that the UK Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency has stated "Any person with a history of a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food (such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction or those who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector) should not receive the Pfizer BioNtech vaccine."
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Doctor directive responses for covid-19 vaccine questions on the CDC website:
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I particularly want to call attention to the "Questions about Unknown, Serious, Long-term Side Effects" section. They do not know what long term side effects may be, except that they will be recording them as they pop up. This is not reassuring, in my opinion, but you can decide for yourself how you feel about it.
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SOURCES:
1. https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download Page 17 (serious side effects)
2. https://www.goodrx.com/blog/side-effects-covid-19-vaccine/ (mild side effects)
3. https://www.cdc.gov/.../hcp/answering-questions.html... (CDC Directive for doctors answering covid vaccine questions).
4. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Four-volunteers-got... (Bell's Palsy report)
5. https://snacksafely.com/.../those-with-significant.../ (UK Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency statement)
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---------- Real Covid-19 Statistics & Chance Of Death in Canada ----------
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According to the Canada website's own statistics, if you refer to figure 5 and click on deceased from the drop down (as of today's date 12/10/2020), there have been a total of only 439 covid-related deaths in people under the age of 60 in all of Canada, 932 deaths for those under the age of 70, 2365 under the age of 80, and 9085 for ages 80+. Canada's population as of this writing is 37,891,680. To put into perspective, the deaths of those under the age of 60 make up 0.001% of the population. The deaths of those under the age of 70 make up 0.002% of the population. The deaths of those under the age of 80 make up 0.006% of the population. The deaths of those 80+ make up 0.02% of the population. Total covid deaths only make up 0.029% of Canada's population. The likeliness of dying from covid is extremely, extremely, low and has been blown way out of proportion by our governments and the media. This is not a public health emergency like they are trying to convince you that it is.
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To put into further perspective, if you catch covid and are under the age of 20, your chance of death is 0.004%. If you catch covid and are ages 20-29, your chance of death is 0.02%. If you catch covid and are 30-39, your chance of death is 0.04%. If you catch covid and are 40-49, you chance of death is 0.1%. If you catch covid and are 50-59, your chance of death is 0.5%. If you catch covid and are 60-69, your chance of death is 2.7%. If you catch covid and are 70-79, your chance of death is 11.1%. If you catch covid and are 80+, your chance of death is 25.8%. Chance of death calculations are based on the percentage of current cases and current deaths as shown in figure 3 and figure 5.
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Please keep in mind, statistics are lumped with those who die WITH covid and those who die OF covid which can be two very different things, but that is how they are recorded. This means if someone died of a clear, alternate cause, but still tested positive for covid-19, they are included in the covid-19 death toll. This should be very encouraging however, although the numbers are undetermined, this means the number of those who died directly due to covid-19 are likely far lower than what has been recorded, thus, would make the actual percentages for chance of death much lower than what is shown through Canada's covid statistics.
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This doesn't mean that covid-19 doesn't exist, nor does it mean you won't experience very bad symptoms. But the chance of death is extremely low for the general population and early treatments can help ensure the virus does not become a serious illness. (continue reading to learn about proven effective covid-19 treatments)
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This information is given to you to help you make an informed decision in weighing if the vaccine is worth the risk of the very serious side effects it may have on your body, or if catching covid-19 itself is more or less of a risk you'd rather take with treatment options available.
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SOURCES: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/.../epidemiological... and https://www.worldometers.info/world.../canada-population/ and https://twitter.com/i/status/1257165533243301889
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---------- Other Proven Covid-19 Treatments ----------
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Should you ever catch covid-19, speak with your doctor about the treatments mentioned below - especially Ivermectin as it has been found to be extremely effective against covid-19. There are plenty of medical studies for each of the treatments mentioned. A good place to research through real medical studies about these treatments is https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ .
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β€’ Pierre Kory, M.D., Associate Professor of Medicine at St. Luke's Aurora Medical Center speaks out there there are other proven treatments such as Ivermectin available that have miraculous effectiveness against covid-19 that could save the lives of patients, but governments are ignoring this treatment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq8SXOBy-4w
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β€’ Ivermectin is extremely effective for COVID-19 treatment: meta analysis of 23 studies: https://ivmmeta.com/
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β€’ COVID-19: Prevention and Treatment with Vitamin C from the California Institute for Human Science: https://www.cihs.edu/.../COVID-19-Prevention-and...
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β€’ Despite the negative press this year, Hydroxychloroquine has in fact been proven to be effective against Covid-19 and studies show it is quite safe with the appropriate dosage. Hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19 medical journal by Dr Neeraj Sinha from the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine: https://pmj.bmj.com/content/96/1139/550
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β€’ Melatonin is significantly associated with survival of intubated COVID-19 patients - https://www.medrxiv.org/con.../10.1101/2020.10.15.20213546v1
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If other treatments are available to fight this virus, especially ones such as Ivermectic that have had such high success rates against covid-19, why is this not being publicized or prescribed by our doctors? Why is our government acting as though the vaccine is the only solution to return life back to a semi-state of normality when there are clearly other proven effective alternatives? There's no reason life can not return back to normal when such treatments exist. Why is our government and the media not promoting these things? Why aren't our doctors prescribing them if they can help us?
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---------- Upcoming Vaccine Mandates & Other Important Information ----------
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In Ontario Canada, Ontario's Chief medical officer of health Dr. David Williams addresses if the Covid-19 vaccine will be made mandatory. Fortunately, he states it will not, however, those who do not get it will be required to wear personal protective equipment in order to go to certain places or do certain things. Those who do get it will require proof of immunization in order to bypass current protective restrictions. https://youtu.be/08QT6pC5H9E?t=1549
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Can you give COVID-19 to anyone, after having the vaccine?
The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and 2 doses will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus. So, it is important to follow the guidance in your local area to protect those around you.
SOURCE from UK government website: https://www.gov.uk/.../covid-19-vaccination-guide-for...
It should be noted here that it is clear, receiving the vaccine will not return us back to the old normal, and they don't even know if it will prevent you from catching or spreading the virus.
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Dr. James Lyons-Weiler warns about the politicizing of the pandemic, but also, discusses the science how all past coronavirus vaccines have failed, discusses how the current covid-19 vaccine has skipped animal testing safety trials, how this vaccine has been rushed, how Moderna reported 21% of people are having serious adverse effects from the vaccine trial, how ventillators are known to kill people, and other important informative data.
SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/steve.siergjuk/posts/10159389513050639
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---------- The Nuremburg Code & Voluntary Consent ----------
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What Is the Nuremberg Code?
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When World War II ended in 1945, the victorious Allied powers enacted the International Military Tribunal on November 19th, 1945. As part of the Tribunal, a series of trials were held against major war criminals and Nazi sympathizers holding leadership positions in political, military, and economic areas. The first trial conducted under the Nuremberg Military Tribunals in 1947 became known as The Doctors’ Trial, in which 23 physicians from the German Nazi Party were tried for crimes against humanity for the atrocious experiments they carried out on unwilling prisoners of war. Many of the grotesque medical experiments took place at the Auschwitz concentration camp, where Jewish prisoners were tattooed with dehumanizing numbers onto their arms; numbers that would later be used to identify their bodies after death.
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The Doctors’ Trial is officially titled β€œThe United States of America v. Karl Brandt, et al.,” and it was conducted at the Palace of Justice in Nuremberg, Bavaria, Germany. The trial was conducted here because this was one of the few largely undamaged buildings that remained intact from extensive Allied bombing during the war. It is also said to have been symbolically chosen because it was the ceremonial birthplace of the Nazi Party. Of the 23 defendants, 16 were found guilty, of which seven received death sentences and nine received prison sentences ranging from 10 years to life imprisonment. The other 7 defendants were acquitted.
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The verdict also resulted in the creation of the Nuremberg Code, a set of ten ethical principles for human experimentation.
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What Are The Nuremberg Code's Ethical Guidelines For Research?
The Nuremberg Code aimed to protect human subjects from enduring the kind of cruelty and exploitation the prisoners endured at concentration camps. The 10 elements of the code are:
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1. The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
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This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
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The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.
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2. The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
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3. The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
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4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
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5. No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
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6. The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
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7. Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
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8. The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
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9. During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
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10. During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill, and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.
SOURCE: https://www.imarcresearch.com/.../359393/nuremberg-code-1947 and https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm199711133372006
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---------- Conclusion ----------
I hope this information is helpful in making a well informed decision. This year is a year of a lot of misinformation and censorship, so I really just wanted to create a post I believe to only contain reliably sourced information that people can feel confident in sharing and reading no matter what you believe to be true about the covid-19 virus. You are also encouraged to do your own independent research and dig into this further. It is everyone's own responsibility to do this to make an informed decision, though, I hope this helps everyone get started and grasp an general understanding of the vaccine, the risks, real alternative and effective treatments, and understanding the importance of your informed consent. If anyone has anything additional they would like to add that they feel would be beneficial for others to know regarding this vaccine, feel free to post it in the comments. I may edit this post in the future with additional credibly sourced information as I find it, so if you find this post valuable, be sure to bookmark it or save it.
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This post is public, so please feel free to share it and get this information out there

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Sat 12/12/20 10:14 AM
Thanks, this is great :thumbsup:.

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Sat 12/12/20 12:39 PM

Thanks, this is great :thumbsup:.

You're welcome. I thought so too! Well worth the read :)

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Sat 12/12/20 12:56 PM
Who is Nicole emillie ???

It is good to research information but the worldwide web should not take the place of a health professional . Always take the qualifications of the publisher into consideration , the validity of the source .. and any potential bias/conflict .

My advice to anyone who has questions about covid vaccination would be to speak directly to your doctor .. it is an important decision . .. one that should take into account your health history , co-morbidities , allergy status and risk factors .

Will post links to the clinical trials and independent regulatory reports this week . waving




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Sat 12/12/20 01:15 PM
What if doctors have previously given you medication ( through the threat of force, that was previously shown to be real,by the use of actual force) that they knew would have an adverse effect on you?
Surely that would prove, that they were were wholly untrustworthy, and cruel.
On a side note, on a personal level ( sounds a bit selfish I know) I was pleased about the anophylactic shock bit, as I've had 1, so that would make me exempt.
However I still believe that they'd force me to have 1 anyway, and that I'd have no memory of the event. Plus even if they don't do that, then I probably couldn't buy milk from the shop
Guliarme Barrie syndrome, that's quite rare I believe, and quite horrible. My grandfather unfortunately suffered with that, and other health problems towards the end of his life.
If they've got an agenda, and they want to push something they will, regardless of any risks that they now about. My mother worked in a hospital for a long time. She always used to tell me about the Thalidomide children, and how they knew what was going to happen to these children.
So I'd never trust these people, ever. They have a horrific track record. And if this was any other walk of life, you wouldn't trust them either.
But hey, trust me, I'm a doctor , a nurse
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Sat 12/12/20 04:15 PM

What if doctors have previously given you medication ( through the threat of force, that was previously shown to be real,by the use of actual force) that they knew would have an adverse effect on you?
Surely that would prove, that they were were wholly untrustworthy, and cruel.
On a side note, on a personal level ( sounds a bit selfish I know) I was pleased about the anophylactic shock bit, as I've had 1, so that would make me exempt.
However I still believe that they'd force me to have 1 anyway, and that I'd have no memory of the event. Plus even if they don't do that, then I probably couldn't buy milk from the shop
Guliarme Barrie syndrome, that's quite rare I believe, and quite horrible. My grandfather unfortunately suffered with that, and other health problems towards the end of his life.
If they've got an agenda, and they want to push something they will, regardless of any risks that they now about. My mother worked in a hospital for a long time. She always used to tell me about the Thalidomide children, and how they knew what was going to happen to these children.
So I'd never trust these people, ever. They have a horrific track record. And if this was any other walk of life, you wouldn't trust them either.
But hey, trust me, I'm a doctor , a nurse
Bo11o ks

Well, it may sound unpleasant but there are a great many people who feel they wanna be first in line to get their shot of the crap.
Since you cannot talk sense into such people... let them get their shot and we will see how it pans out. If tons of people who had it pile up dead in the streets or get horrible diseases and ailments and fill up hospital beds government and/or people may hopefully change their minds and come to their senses.

All I know is, I don't trust it as it's been cooked up too fast and to my mind with a hidden agenda.
I don't believe my body cannot stay strong naturally and if need be heal.
Plus, I got enough ailments as it is. I don't need more things ruining my life to prevent a disease that isn't nearly as bad as they want us to believe.

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Sat 12/12/20 04:41 PM

Who is Nicole emillie ???

It is good to research information but the worldwide web should not take the place of a health professional . Always take the qualifications of the publisher into consideration , the validity of the source .. and any potential bias/conflict .

My advice to anyone who has questions about covid vaccination would be to speak directly to your doctor .. it is an important decision . .. one that should take into account your health history , co-morbidities , allergy status and risk factors .

Will post links to the clinical trials and independent regulatory reports this week . waving

The same advice goes for medical people and doctors.
Right now I feel is the worst time to ask a doctor as almost all are in the pocket of Big Pharma, knowingly or unknowingly as they've been drilled and trained to think and work this way, like all medical personnel. They don't think for themselves nor outside of the box, some worse than others.
And don't go telling me that's not true as being a long-term chronic ailment patient I have plenty of experiences that this IS the truth.
So when talking about biased and often lacking information etc etc... that sure goes for the medical world.

Don't get me wrong, medical science has it's place but that shouldn't be the place it has taken, and especially not what it's is trying to do now. I'm a medical assistant and I used to love that world, part of me still does. But I don't like where the medical world is going. It's reason for big concern.

I actually have to go to my GP for an issue with my nasal mucosa, but bleeped if I'm going now as it will result in me having to take a covid test while it has nothing whatsoever to do with that.
It has to do with quitting smoking. But I'll wait with going to the GP.
Right now I don't trust doctors and especially not concerning getting a vaccine. I think 99% of all doctors are for everyone getting a shot. How's that for biased?

And I agree on reliable info and links. That's why I loved the article I posted. It is neutral, not aiming to chit stir AND it has all the links to sources so anyone can check that out further if they want to.
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Sat 12/12/20 06:00 PM
Crystal .. Reading both your and RD β€˜s post sounds like you are both distrusting of medical science and are clearly β€œanti β€œ covid vaccination ... that is your choice abd you are allowed to choose that path ....

Informed consent involves understanding both positive and negative outcomes .. ultimately it is for each person to decide what is in their best medical interest .. without coercion ..

. As a health professional I would never force someone to undergo any treatment they do not want ... my role is to guide , advocate and support ..

Best of luck to both of you :thumbsup:

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Sat 12/19/20 10:32 AM
Apparently 17 million people in London and the Southeast will be under virtual house arrest from midnight tonight under new tier four rules because of a 70% more infectious strain of Covid-19.

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Sun 12/20/20 04:24 AM
And what was the completely foreseeable result of the new restrictions?

"Thousands of people flee London".

So, thanks to everyone now spreading this new strain of Covid-19 and thanks to our Government for ensuring that this happened.

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Sun 12/20/20 04:57 AM
All I can say is that I'm glad that it isn't something really dangerous like the Spanish Flu because their response would have been equally woeful.

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Sun 12/20/20 06:43 AM

All I can say is that I'm glad that it isn't something really dangerous like the Spanish Flu because their response would have been equally woeful.

Well, if there truly is a mutation it likely is too early days to tell whether or not it is as dangerous as Spanish flu?

I'm not sure where to stand with the news of a new strain. Is it really true, which is very possible with a virus, or is it all a scam to get people scared and run for the vaccine?

No matter what, it does mean we will be stuck with this lockdown & face mask chit for quite some time to come...

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Sun 12/20/20 06:55 AM


All I can say is that I'm glad that it isn't something really dangerous like the Spanish Flu because their response would have been equally woeful.

Well, if there truly is a mutation it likely is too early days to tell whether or not it is as dangerous as Spanish flu?

I'm not sure where to stand with the news of a new strain. Is it really true, which is very possible with a virus, or is it all a scam to get people scared and run for the vaccine?

No matter what, it does mean we will be stuck with this lockdown & face mask chit for quite some time to come...

At this point, I'm not sure that we can trust anything that we're being told and that is certainly worse for society than the pandemic. :slight_frown:

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Sun 12/20/20 07:03 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal πŸ’–πŸ’Ž on Sun 12/20/20 07:03 AM

Crystal .. Reading both your and RD β€˜s post sounds like you are both distrusting of medical science and are clearly β€œanti β€œ covid vaccination ... that is your choice abd you are allowed to choose that path ....

Informed consent involves understanding both positive and negative outcomes .. ultimately it is for each person to decide what is in their best medical interest .. without coercion ..

. As a health professional I would never force someone to undergo any treatment they do not want ... my role is to guide , advocate and support ..

Best of luck to both of you :thumbsup:

A shame you read selectively.

What you say -the last sentence- sounds great but you promote, support, guide, and advocate the method you believe in: the medical world. Meaning it's not impartial and from there not giving neutral guidance/support etc.

I prefer people not blindly believing everything that's presented and told. The problem is that it's very difficult to get properly informed on anything from the medical world.
From the time it came into being centuries ago it has positioned and presented itself as the centre of the universe concerning healing. It was even dangerous to revert to the ancient tried and proven ways.
And not much has changed over time.
The ones in healthcare probably do so from the right vibe, but they've been drilled and trained to follow the organisation that's behind it all.

If healthcare really cared they'd open up to other ways of healing people and work together. As it is they care about profit.

As for the vaccine, the entire situation is dubious. The alleged cure can be worse than the disease, not the first time that'd happen, but then the producers have made billions nonetheless.

I also don't know how NZ policies are. Maybe they're more careful with their people. My country's government does whatever the EU wants it to do. Our PM is neck deep in the EU's @$$.

Anywho, wait and see how it all will pan out.

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Mon 12/21/20 05:13 AM
More and more doctors and experts warn against the vaccine as the side-effects are too serious and the amount of side-effects and amount of people that gets them is also too high.
Just read an article by infectologist Eric Caumes, working as head of epidemiology in a French hospital.

He advises young people and people without risks to not take it. He himself will also not take it. So basically only people with high risk should take it.
He said he's never seen so many side-effects from a vaccine.

One of the many experts that says this.

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Mon 12/21/20 08:45 AM
Top German Covid Expert Pours Scorn on Boris Johnson's 'Mutant Strain claims, saying: "Politicians simply called it 70% more infectious".

Christian Dorsten, the Director of Virology at Berlin's Charite Hospital also said that it was unclear whether the surge in cases in Kent and the Southeast was really caused by the new strain at all.

"Show us the Evidence".

Scientists call for clarity on claims that new Covid-19 variant is 70% more infectious.

Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University's Nuffield Department of Primary Care, expressed scepticism over the 70% figure.

"I've been doing this job for 25 years and I can tell you that you can't establish a quantifiable number in such a short time frame".

He added: "Every expert is saying that it's too early to draw such an inference. Failure to put out the basis of the figures is undermining public trust.
They are fitting the data to the evidence. They see cases rising and they are looking for evidence to explain it".

The Daily Mail.

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Mon 12/21/20 12:18 PM


Who is Nicole emillie ???

It is good to research information but the worldwide web should not take the place of a health professional . Always take the qualifications of the publisher into consideration , the validity of the source .. and any potential bias/conflict .

My advice to anyone who has questions about covid vaccination would be to speak directly to your doctor .. it is an important decision . .. one that should take into account your health history , co-morbidities , allergy status and risk factors .

Will post links to the clinical trials and independent regulatory reports this week . waving

The same advice goes for medical people and doctors.
Right now I feel is the worst time to ask a doctor as almost all are in the pocket of Big Pharma, knowingly or unknowingly as they've been drilled and trained to think and work this way, like all medical personnel. They don't think for themselves nor outside of the box, some worse than others.
And don't go telling me that's not true as being a long-term chronic ailment patient I have plenty of experiences that this IS the truth.
So when talking about biased and often lacking information etc etc... that sure goes for the medical world.

Don't get me wrong, medical science has it's place but that shouldn't be the place it has taken, and especially not what it's is trying to do now. I'm a medical assistant and I used to love that world, part of me still does. But I don't like where the medical world is going. It's reason for big concern.

I actually have to go to my GP for an issue with my nasal mucosa, but bleeped if I'm going now as it will result in me having to take a covid test while it has nothing whatsoever to do with that.
It has to do with quitting smoking. But I'll wait with going to the GP.
Right now I don't trust doctors and especially not concerning getting a vaccine. I think 99% of all doctors are for everyone getting a shot. How's that for biased?

And I agree on reliable info and links. That's why I loved the article I posted. It is neutral, not aiming to chit stir AND it has all the links to sources so anyone can check that out further if they want to.
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the article you posted is from a freedom fighter who is anti vaccination .. do you really believe the info she has chosen is impartial and has no agenda ???

As for personal medical bias . Definitely the information I provide is backed by medical science but it also takes into account holistic principles of health . Part of informed consent is understanding consequences and alternatives . It also includes the right to choose no treatment . What you fail to understand is .. when I give information to a patient I am very careful not to let my β€œown beliefs β€œinfluence the decision making process or to coerce . Can you say the same ???

Not sure what qualifications a medical assistant has.... do they have a pHD or degree ??? In my country they are Called healthcare assistants and they not able to make clinical assessments of decisions ??