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Topic: Coronavirus - part 2
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Tue 09/14/21 09:50 AM
http://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/call-goes-vaccination-bus-name-ardern-rules-bussy-mcbusface

mobile “Mr Whippy” style vaccination buses being rolled out in NZ.

“Six buses will visit areas in Auckland from this Thursday, taking into account spots where vaccination rates are low or that people are having trouble accessing vaccines.
"The aim is to increase the network from an expected six on Thursday to 12 over the coming weeks," Ardern said.”

The call is out for creative kiwis to come up with a name for the buses . A wee 8 year old has suggested Vaccinder .. after our prime minister Jacinda Ardern ... pretty adorable lol.

wonder if free ice cream cones will be available biggrin NZ has the best icecream in the world drool drool

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Tue 09/14/21 03:28 PM
While we are getting mandatory covid passes or proof via test to get entry to places, Denmark is abandoning ALL covid rules & regulations as of Friday.

I think I'm going to ask for asylum in Denmark!
We won't ever get there as long as the idiot in The Hague stays in power. The Netherlands are the biggest @$$ lickers of the EU.

Richard 's photo
Tue 09/14/21 05:08 PM
Edited by Richard on Tue 09/14/21 05:30 PM








To clarify .. influenza is primarily spread through large respiratory DROPLETS which are unable to remain suspended in the air for sustained periods or distances . Covid in comparison is believed to be AIRBORNE with suspension of fine particles being the primary mode of transmission .

to clarify they are both spread through the respiratory exchange of fluids through close contact with infected people ( that is droplets and vaper caused by breathing). this is why we are suppose to keep our distance
wash our face and hands often, limit facial contact around the mouth and eyes, keep surfaces wiped down with disinfectant and wear face coverings that are mostly un effective, unless they have an approved rating of M-95 or higher.
many experts have said. if you can detect odors from the surrounding environment a virus such as the flu and covid, can get through as well.
and since the moisture from your breathing collects in that mask, it actually can become a breading ground for a virus. which is why they are not recommended for prolonged use, and recommended that they should be changed often. which most people dont do.
there is no evidence showing that covid-19 remains viable as a sustained airborne disease.

sounds like you are not searching in the right place .. there is updated scientific information that supports airborne transmission of covid .

http://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-aerosol-droplets-airborne-evolution/amp


http://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study

As far as pros cons and efficiency of mask wearing ., that has also been discussed in depth already . I will however add, that
N95 masks require “ fit testing “ before use ... any breach of the seal and they are ineffective . Likewise application and removal if not performed correctly increases exposure risk . A “95” specification means they have a 95% efficiency (when used correctly ) .


thanks blondie, keep in mind what I said.. sustained airborne viability.
is not the same as not breathing it in and catching it in a confined space.

airborne- in open air floating on air currents the virus is not shown to viably exist, beyond speculation and theory.

it is found in close contact closed environments,
my point was it is transmitted just like the flu with a similar viability of transfer both airborne (breathing) and through surface contact.
the virus has a 3 hour viability with a 1 hour projected half life of infection possibility.
there are no cases shown where there has not been direct contact from a host either by touching a contaminated surface, or being in close proximity to them in a closed environment. there been nothing shown where breathing free air in an open environment has any case proven risk.
what I said about masks is true and born out. no matter what kind of mask option, they have to be properly fitted . but unless it is a M-Kn or N rated mask.. they will offer only minimum protection if any at all.
airborne transmission is now believed to be the PRIMARY way that covid spreads . If you are referring to contact as contact with fomites that is a secondary transmission mode that carries a lower risk of infection . (Refer links below )

“Close contact” refers to the distance you are from an infected person and the likelihood that you shared the same air and have been exposed to the virus .

“When a person is identified as a Close Contact “ generally they have been in the same place at the same time as someone infectious with Covid .

Airborne transmission occurs indoors as well as outdoors .

A study showed covid transmission in a large apartment complex where both indoor and outdoor airborne transmission was believed to have occurred . Indoors the virus was detected on multiple levels of the apartment complex . The conclusion drawn was that ..,

“The airborne transmission of coronaviruses via the outdoor route could be a significant risk for residents in high-density

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fbuil.2021.666923/full

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149
Airflow ,temperature , humidity , ventilation , filtration and infectivity of viral titres impact on how long covid can remain viable in the air and how widely it is dispersed .

Can you add the link stating .. 3 hours .. was that pre delta ??
If the information is not your own you need to quote the source :thumbsup:




at this point blondie, you are just verifying what I have said about it being transferred just like the flu breath from infected to non infected(airborne) close proximity, in high density. and surface contact.
a large apartment complex where contact is made on multiple common surfaces, spreads the virus to others making the same contact with them. samples of free air have not shown the virus still being viable in an airborne state out side of a close or confined space to be any different then the flu. which is still my original point.
I thought I posted the link showing the 3 hour with a 1 hour half life, I did not save it. this is not the same article but it has the same information.
https://www.acep.org/corona/covid-19-field-guide/home-safety/covid-19-aerosol-and-surface-stability/
this is the CDC explaining what is meant by airborne.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-covid-19-airborne-transmission-5081242

https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/penn-physician-blog/2020/august/airborne-droplet-debate-article
the data estimating 3 hrs related back to early 2020 when airborne spread was not given much attention . Delta is more much widely dispersed and has a faster infection rate . I expect new data will be released based on current scientific investigations .

as I mentioned before this is not the same report, but it has the same information, this is updated from the original report to still be current for the covid (SRS) virus.
but the counter point is what is politically expedient. so reports like these that goes against the cammand and control. gets buried . but that too, is based on which science you choose to believe. at this point anything fauci says is suspect, he's been caught in too many lies and now under investigation for helping to fund the lab where the virus was reportedly developed..
so I will continue listen to the independent labs studying the virus. that are continuing to get shut up for not falling in line.
and again,
and I'll circle back to my original point that started us on this discussion.
the corona virus is still spread the same as the flu, the flu mysteriously disappeared, even though it was widely said, (especially in the early stages of the virus) that it was extremely difficult to tell them apart.

until the politics and infighting is removed, and the truth is fully disclosed. there will continue to be a debate. and no one will know who for sure who to believe.
but I will lean away from those that are with fauci. his hands are too dirty..


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Tue 09/14/21 10:22 PM









To clarify .. influenza is primarily spread through large respiratory DROPLETS which are unable to remain suspended in the air for sustained periods or distances . Covid in comparison is believed to be AIRBORNE with suspension of fine particles being the primary mode of transmission .

to clarify they are both spread through the respiratory exchange of fluids through close contact with infected people ( that is droplets and vaper caused by breathing). this is why we are suppose to keep our distance
wash our face and hands often, limit facial contact around the mouth and eyes, keep surfaces wiped down with disinfectant and wear face coverings that are mostly un effective, unless they have an approved rating of M-95 or higher.
many experts have said. if you can detect odors from the surrounding environment a virus such as the flu and covid, can get through as well.
and since the moisture from your breathing collects in that mask, it actually can become a breading ground for a virus. which is why they are not recommended for prolonged use, and recommended that they should be changed often. which most people dont do.
there is no evidence showing that covid-19 remains viable as a sustained airborne disease.

sounds like you are not searching in the right place .. there is updated scientific information that supports airborne transmission of covid .

http://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-aerosol-droplets-airborne-evolution/amp


http://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study

As far as pros cons and efficiency of mask wearing ., that has also been discussed in depth already . I will however add, that
N95 masks require “ fit testing “ before use ... any breach of the seal and they are ineffective . Likewise application and removal if not performed correctly increases exposure risk . A “95” specification means they have a 95% efficiency (when used correctly ) .


thanks blondie, keep in mind what I said.. sustained airborne viability.
is not the same as not breathing it in and catching it in a confined space.

airborne- in open air floating on air currents the virus is not shown to viably exist, beyond speculation and theory.

it is found in close contact closed environments,
my point was it is transmitted just like the flu with a similar viability of transfer both airborne (breathing) and through surface contact.
the virus has a 3 hour viability with a 1 hour projected half life of infection possibility.
there are no cases shown where there has not been direct contact from a host either by touching a contaminated surface, or being in close proximity to them in a closed environment. there been nothing shown where breathing free air in an open environment has any case proven risk.
what I said about masks is true and born out. no matter what kind of mask option, they have to be properly fitted . but unless it is a M-Kn or N rated mask.. they will offer only minimum protection if any at all.
airborne transmission is now believed to be the PRIMARY way that covid spreads . If you are referring to contact as contact with fomites that is a secondary transmission mode that carries a lower risk of infection . (Refer links below )

“Close contact” refers to the distance you are from an infected person and the likelihood that you shared the same air and have been exposed to the virus .

“When a person is identified as a Close Contact “ generally they have been in the same place at the same time as someone infectious with Covid .

Airborne transmission occurs indoors as well as outdoors .

A study showed covid transmission in a large apartment complex where both indoor and outdoor airborne transmission was believed to have occurred . Indoors the virus was detected on multiple levels of the apartment complex . The conclusion drawn was that ..,

“The airborne transmission of coronaviruses via the outdoor route could be a significant risk for residents in high-density

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fbuil.2021.666923/full

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149
Airflow ,temperature , humidity , ventilation , filtration and infectivity of viral titres impact on how long covid can remain viable in the air and how widely it is dispersed .

Can you add the link stating .. 3 hours .. was that pre delta ??
If the information is not your own you need to quote the source :thumbsup:




at this point blondie, you are just verifying what I have said about it being transferred just like the flu breath from infected to non infected(airborne) close proximity, in high density. and surface contact.
a large apartment complex where contact is made on multiple common surfaces, spreads the virus to others making the same contact with them. samples of free air have not shown the virus still being viable in an airborne state out side of a close or confined space to be any different then the flu. which is still my original point.
I thought I posted the link showing the 3 hour with a 1 hour half life, I did not save it. this is not the same article but it has the same information.
https://www.acep.org/corona/covid-19-field-guide/home-safety/covid-19-aerosol-and-surface-stability/
this is the CDC explaining what is meant by airborne.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-covid-19-airborne-transmission-5081242

https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/penn-physician-blog/2020/august/airborne-droplet-debate-article
the data estimating 3 hrs related back to early 2020 when airborne spread was not given much attention . Delta is more much widely dispersed and has a faster infection rate . I expect new data will be released based on current scientific investigations .

as I mentioned before this is not the same report, but it has the same information, this is updated from the original report to still be current for the covid (SRS) virus.
but the counter point is what is politically expedient. so reports like these that goes against the cammand and control. gets buried . but that too, is based on which science you choose to believe. at this point anything fauci says is suspect, he's been caught in too many lies and now under investigation for helping to fund the lab where the virus was reportedly developed..
so I will continue listen to the independent labs studying the virus. that are continuing to get shut up for not falling in line.
and again,
and I'll circle back to my original point that started us on this discussion.
the corona virus is still spread the same as the flu, the flu mysteriously disappeared, even though it was widely said, (especially in the early stages of the virus) that it was extremely difficult to tell them apart.

until the politics and infighting is removed, and the truth is fully disclosed. there will continue to be a debate. and no one will know who for sure who to believe.
but I will lean away from those that are with fauci. his hands are too dirty..


As I pointed out to John if you wish to debate Fauci there are political threads better suited to that agenda .

I will continue to wear full “airborne “ protection (rather than droplet/contact) when isolating with a patient infected with covid , until medical science directs otherwise . I am sure if you were exposed to that same level of risk your perspective of covid would be somewhat different :-)

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Tue 09/14/21 10:26 PM

While we are getting mandatory covid passes or proof via test to get entry to places, Denmark is abandoning ALL covid rules & regulations as of Friday.

I think I'm going to ask for asylum in Denmark!
We won't ever get there as long as the idiot in The Hague stays in power. The Netherlands are the biggest @$$ lickers of the EU.
Hi crystal waving I believe Denmark first started using the covid pass back in April . Now that they have fully vaccinated 83.5% of their population (well done Denmark !! ) , they have been discontinued and restrictions lifted . I believe the Netherlands have not reached vaccination thresholds yet .

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Wed 09/15/21 05:58 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Wed 09/15/21 06:02 AM


While we are getting mandatory covid passes or proof via test to get entry to places, Denmark is abandoning ALL covid rules & regulations as of Friday.

I think I'm going to ask for asylum in Denmark!
We won't ever get there as long as the idiot in The Hague stays in power. The Netherlands are the biggest @$$ lickers of the EU.
Hi crystal waving I believe Denmark first started using the covid pass back in April . Now that they have fully vaccinated 83.5% of their population (well done Denmark !! ) , they have been discontinued and restrictions lifted . I believe the Netherlands have not reached vaccination thresholds yet .

I think it has more to do with the way Danish government deals with it and its people as opposed to the Dutch one.
They also aren't fussing about the Delta variant and open up regardless, saying "We can't stop that one anyway so no point in attempting to."
Dutch government's attitude is more of total control and restraint, turning the country in a form of concentration camp. I think that's why so many people are PO.
What I've seen a while back, NZ PM is also far more people friendly so whatever she says and does is much easier to digest by people.
What we have to deal with here is another ballgame and I think that's the biggest problem.
It's not for nothing we're having a demissionary cabinet. And the A-hole just doesn't want to go.

I think over here too many people don't trust the government because of its actions.
And I feel the same way. Someone like the NZ PM I'd far sooner trust as she's great.
Apparently it's the same in Denmark, and from what I know it's pretty much the same in Sweden.

Duttoneer's photo
Wed 09/15/21 08:40 AM

Covid rules: What's in England's 'Winter Plan'?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518

"Measures to deal with rising Covid cases in England over the winter have been announced - with a contingency "Plan B" if things get worse.
Single vaccines will be offered to children aged 12-15 and booster jabs to over-50s, health workers and the most vulnerable. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have confirmed they will offer the same."

I am booked in for my Coronavirus Booster Jab and a Flu Jab at the end of this month, both at the same time to be as efficient as possible, hopefully this will boost my Coronavirus protection this winter.

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Wed 09/15/21 10:12 AM
Edited by Smartazzjohn on Wed 09/15/21 10:15 AM
Just found out yesterday that my sister in law contracted Covid for the 2nd time.

Even though she had recovered from Covid the 1st time she did get two vaccine shots.

Her PERSONAL doctor put he on monoclonal antibodies to fight the virus and she has recovered for the 2nd time.

Her case is why I DON'T agree with the "one size fits all" mandates. Everyone's immune system provides different degrees of protection which is why people should seek PERSONALIZED guidance from a medical physician.

Early on during outbreak of Covid I wondered if the overuse/over prescribing of antibiotics by doctors could be a contributing factor to the spread. I asked my sister, a registered nurse, if she agreed that antibiotic overuse could be factor and she believes it could be so I did some research. It turns out there have been studies regarding the overuse of antibiotics. I know antibiotics are use to help the immune system fight bacterial infection but the immune system doesn't just fight bacterial infection, it also fights viral infection.

Date:
August 17, 2017
Source:
University of Virginia Health System
Summary:
Adding another reason for doctors to avoid the overuse of antibiotics, new research shows that a reduction in the variety of microbes in the gut interferes with the immune system's ability to fight off disease.

I would never suggest the anyone NOT use antibiotics but I do suggest doing is your own research for information on any drug.

My doctor had changed my cholesterol prescription to Lipitor and within days I ended up with cystitis. I immediately started looking for interaction between my prescription and ALL side effects of each prescription. It turned that a rare side effect of Lipitor is cystitis. Neither my cardiologist, who prescribed Lipitor, or my urologist knew of that of that rare side effect. I'm not blaming getting cystitis on the doctors or the drug company, I'm just pointing out that as individuals we need to be proactive in our own healthcare.


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Wed 09/15/21 10:56 AM
Edited by Richard on Wed 09/15/21 11:16 AM










To clarify .. influenza is primarily spread through large respiratory DROPLETS which are unable to remain suspended in the air for sustained periods or distances . Covid in comparison is believed to be AIRBORNE with suspension of fine particles being the primary mode of transmission .

to clarify they are both spread through the respiratory exchange of fluids through close contact with infected people ( that is droplets and vaper caused by breathing). this is why we are suppose to keep our distance
wash our face and hands often, limit facial contact around the mouth and eyes, keep surfaces wiped down with disinfectant and wear face coverings that are mostly un effective, unless they have an approved rating of M-95 or higher.
many experts have said. if you can detect odors from the surrounding environment a virus such as the flu and covid, can get through as well.
and since the moisture from your breathing collects in that mask, it actually can become a breading ground for a virus. which is why they are not recommended for prolonged use, and recommended that they should be changed often. which most people dont do.
there is no evidence showing that covid-19 remains viable as a sustained airborne disease.

sounds like you are not searching in the right place .. there is updated scientific information that supports airborne transmission of covid .

http://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-aerosol-droplets-airborne-evolution/amp


http://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study

As far as pros cons and efficiency of mask wearing ., that has also been discussed in depth already . I will however add, that
N95 masks require “ fit testing “ before use ... any breach of the seal and they are ineffective . Likewise application and removal if not performed correctly increases exposure risk . A “95” specification means they have a 95% efficiency (when used correctly ) .


thanks blondie, keep in mind what I said.. sustained airborne viability.
is not the same as not breathing it in and catching it in a confined space.

airborne- in open air floating on air currents the virus is not shown to viably exist, beyond speculation and theory.

it is found in close contact closed environments,
my point was it is transmitted just like the flu with a similar viability of transfer both airborne (breathing) and through surface contact.
the virus has a 3 hour viability with a 1 hour projected half life of infection possibility.
there are no cases shown where there has not been direct contact from a host either by touching a contaminated surface, or being in close proximity to them in a closed environment. there been nothing shown where breathing free air in an open environment has any case proven risk.
what I said about masks is true and born out. no matter what kind of mask option, they have to be properly fitted . but unless it is a M-Kn or N rated mask.. they will offer only minimum protection if any at all.
airborne transmission is now believed to be the PRIMARY way that covid spreads . If you are referring to contact as contact with fomites that is a secondary transmission mode that carries a lower risk of infection . (Refer links below )

“Close contact” refers to the distance you are from an infected person and the likelihood that you shared the same air and have been exposed to the virus .

“When a person is identified as a Close Contact “ generally they have been in the same place at the same time as someone infectious with Covid .

Airborne transmission occurs indoors as well as outdoors .

A study showed covid transmission in a large apartment complex where both indoor and outdoor airborne transmission was believed to have occurred . Indoors the virus was detected on multiple levels of the apartment complex . The conclusion drawn was that ..,

“The airborne transmission of coronaviruses via the outdoor route could be a significant risk for residents in high-density

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fbuil.2021.666923/full

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149
Airflow ,temperature , humidity , ventilation , filtration and infectivity of viral titres impact on how long covid can remain viable in the air and how widely it is dispersed .

Can you add the link stating .. 3 hours .. was that pre delta ??
If the information is not your own you need to quote the source :thumbsup:




at this point blondie, you are just verifying what I have said about it being transferred just like the flu breath from infected to non infected(airborne) close proximity, in high density. and surface contact.
a large apartment complex where contact is made on multiple common surfaces, spreads the virus to others making the same contact with them. samples of free air have not shown the virus still being viable in an airborne state out side of a close or confined space to be any different then the flu. which is still my original point.
I thought I posted the link showing the 3 hour with a 1 hour half life, I did not save it. this is not the same article but it has the same information.
https://www.acep.org/corona/covid-19-field-guide/home-safety/covid-19-aerosol-and-surface-stability/
this is the CDC explaining what is meant by airborne.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-covid-19-airborne-transmission-5081242

https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/penn-physician-blog/2020/august/airborne-droplet-debate-article
the data estimating 3 hrs related back to early 2020 when airborne spread was not given much attention . Delta is more much widely dispersed and has a faster infection rate . I expect new data will be released based on current scientific investigations .

as I mentioned before this is not the same report, but it has the same information, this is updated from the original report to still be current for the covid (SRS) virus.
but the counter point is what is politically expedient. so reports like these that goes against the cammand and control. gets buried . but that too, is based on which science you choose to believe. at this point anything fauci says is suspect, he's been caught in too many lies and now under investigation for helping to fund the lab where the virus was reportedly developed..
so I will continue listen to the independent labs studying the virus. that are continuing to get shut up for not falling in line.
and again,
and I'll circle back to my original point that started us on this discussion.
the corona virus is still spread the same as the flu, the flu mysteriously disappeared, even though it was widely said, (especially in the early stages of the virus) that it was extremely difficult to tell them apart.

until the politics and infighting is removed, and the truth is fully disclosed. there will continue to be a debate. and no one will know who for sure who to believe.
but I will lean away from those that are with fauci. his hands are too dirty..


As I pointed out to John if you wish to debate Fauci there are political threads better suited to that agenda .

I will continue to wear full “airborne “ protection (rather than droplet/contact) when isolating with a patient infected with covid , until medical science directs otherwise . I am sure if you were exposed to that same level of risk your perspective of covid would be somewhat different :-)
I'm not debating fauci, just the information, he and his cronies are putting out.
if your going to wear a full protection as you say, invest in a bio hazard suit. make sure the mask you wear is at least N/NK 95 rated and make sure that you wear the sealed goggles too. because covid can in theory spread through your tear ducts as well.. and an open face shield nor glasses will not block vapors.

I do property maintenance for a living, which means I'm in contact with the people living in those properties. so by my stated possisions on this subject, it has not changed my perspective. but living alone, I dont have to be isolated with any one that has been infected. if I was I would not care though. I'm not at high risk from covid. so if I was exposed and had a break though case, it would be likely to be very minor. and it would just boost my antibody count higher.

but until then, I will fallow the medical science I trust. so far it has not failed me.
and personally I'll continue to live my life just as I have been since before covid existed. and use the same safety measures I normally would during any flu out break.

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Wed 09/15/21 01:18 PM
i like to keep it simple. it's a flu and a flu shot. take it or leave it. too much politics in here and of the covid. i saw a show a while ago, fauci allegedly has stock in moderna....seems a bit of a conflict of interest. by the by, due to hurricane ida i spent a week in a shelter in shreveport. arriving there by bus at 3am and tired to the bone the powers that be gave everyone a nasal covid test which all 150 of us passed. if you did not take the test you could walk home, no takers on that one.
the shot has killed people and the flu has killed people. numbers are skewed because hospitals are being bribed, also provaccinators are being real authoritarian asshats in my opinion.. ....main thing as per usual eat right, exercise and by not focusing on the flu or trump or biden or things that stress us out you might live a long productive life....Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.

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Thu 09/16/21 12:08 AM

i like to keep it simple. it's a flu and a flu shot. take it or leave it. too much politics in here and of the covid. i saw a show a while ago, fauci allegedly has stock in moderna....seems a bit of a conflict of interest. by the by, due to hurricane ida i spent a week in a shelter in shreveport. arriving there by bus at 3am and tired to the bone the powers that be gave everyone a nasal covid test which all 150 of us passed. if you did not take the test you could walk home, no takers on that one.
the shot has killed people and the flu has killed people. numbers are skewed because hospitals are being bribed, also provaccinators are being real authoritarian asshats in my opinion.. ....main thing as per usual eat right, exercise and by not focusing on the flu or trump or biden or things that stress us out you might live a long productive life....Job 3:25 For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me.


Number one, your claims about Fauci are false. There were accusations of him being affiliated with both Moderna and Pfizer, both of which were fact checked and deemed not true.

I wish people would be careful about spreading misinformation.


Two, eating right, exercising and reducing stress are great but will not prevent you from getting Covid.


And three: "Pro-vaccinators" are not just being "authoritarian *** hats", as you call them. There are legitimate reasons for wanting everyone who can get the vaccine to get it. Of course we know that children, and those with some health conditions or religious beliefs are exempt from this. But we can't just live and let live. We need to be thinking about society as a collective, and not just say, "Other people's health is not my responsibility". Getting us past this pandemic is everyone's responsibility. A person's decision not to get vaccinated affects all of us. When my daughter goes to the hospital for something non-Covid related and cannot get treatment because all the beds are filled with Covid patients, that affects me. When my two of my first grade students get Covid because they can't get the vaccine and are exposed to people who chose not to get vaccinated, our class has to go online and that affects me. When I have unvaccinated friends and relatives die from Covid, that affects me. When 19 months have passed, and we still have to wear masks, and get a PCR test every single time we call out sick from work, that affects me. When I can't travel because countries have closed their borders to Americans due to the high Covid numbers, that affects me. When I didn't get to see my daughters or my parents for 18 months due to Covid restrictions, that affected me. We are all affected by people's decisions not to get vaccinated.

So no, I don't think pro-vaxxers are being "authoritarian *** hats" out to take away your freedoms. We are just more concerned about everyone's freedoms as a collective. And we just want this all to end.



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Thu 09/16/21 02:39 AM


Covid rules: What's in England's 'Winter Plan'?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518

"Measures to deal with rising Covid cases in England over the winter have been announced - with a contingency "Plan B" if things get worse.
Single vaccines will be offered to children aged 12-15 and booster jabs to over-50s, health workers and the most vulnerable. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have confirmed they will offer the same."

I am booked in for my Coronavirus Booster Jab and a Flu Jab at the end of this month, both at the same time to be as efficient as possible, hopefully this will boost my Coronavirus protection this winter.
Hi Duttoneer waving I am pleased to hear there is now a plan Bbiggrin I will be watching with interest and concern . Best of luck with the booster shot . Stay safe xox

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To clarify .. influenza is primarily spread through large respiratory DROPLETS which are unable to remain suspended in the air for sustained periods or distances . Covid in comparison is believed to be AIRBORNE with suspension of fine particles being the primary mode of transmission .

to clarify they are both spread through the respiratory exchange of fluids through close contact with infected people ( that is droplets and vaper caused by breathing). this is why we are suppose to keep our distance
wash our face and hands often, limit facial contact around the mouth and eyes, keep surfaces wiped down with disinfectant and wear face coverings that are mostly un effective, unless they have an approved rating of M-95 or higher.
many experts have said. if you can detect odors from the surrounding environment a virus such as the flu and covid, can get through as well.
and since the moisture from your breathing collects in that mask, it actually can become a breading ground for a virus. which is why they are not recommended for prolonged use, and recommended that they should be changed often. which most people dont do.
there is no evidence showing that covid-19 remains viable as a sustained airborne disease.

sounds like you are not searching in the right place .. there is updated scientific information that supports airborne transmission of covid .

http://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-aerosol-droplets-airborne-evolution/amp


http://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00869-2/fulltext

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149

http://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126194048/airborne-transmission-of-covid19-more-widespread-than-previously-believed--study

As far as pros cons and efficiency of mask wearing ., that has also been discussed in depth already . I will however add, that
N95 masks require “ fit testing “ before use ... any breach of the seal and they are ineffective . Likewise application and removal if not performed correctly increases exposure risk . A “95” specification means they have a 95% efficiency (when used correctly ) .


thanks blondie, keep in mind what I said.. sustained airborne viability.
is not the same as not breathing it in and catching it in a confined space.

airborne- in open air floating on air currents the virus is not shown to viably exist, beyond speculation and theory.

it is found in close contact closed environments,
my point was it is transmitted just like the flu with a similar viability of transfer both airborne (breathing) and through surface contact.
the virus has a 3 hour viability with a 1 hour projected half life of infection possibility.
there are no cases shown where there has not been direct contact from a host either by touching a contaminated surface, or being in close proximity to them in a closed environment. there been nothing shown where breathing free air in an open environment has any case proven risk.
what I said about masks is true and born out. no matter what kind of mask option, they have to be properly fitted . but unless it is a M-Kn or N rated mask.. they will offer only minimum protection if any at all.
airborne transmission is now believed to be the PRIMARY way that covid spreads . If you are referring to contact as contact with fomites that is a secondary transmission mode that carries a lower risk of infection . (Refer links below )

“Close contact” refers to the distance you are from an infected person and the likelihood that you shared the same air and have been exposed to the virus .

“When a person is identified as a Close Contact “ generally they have been in the same place at the same time as someone infectious with Covid .

Airborne transmission occurs indoors as well as outdoors .

A study showed covid transmission in a large apartment complex where both indoor and outdoor airborne transmission was believed to have occurred . Indoors the virus was detected on multiple levels of the apartment complex . The conclusion drawn was that ..,

“The airborne transmission of coronaviruses via the outdoor route could be a significant risk for residents in high-density

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fbuil.2021.666923/full

http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abd9149
Airflow ,temperature , humidity , ventilation , filtration and infectivity of viral titres impact on how long covid can remain viable in the air and how widely it is dispersed .

Can you add the link stating .. 3 hours .. was that pre delta ??
If the information is not your own you need to quote the source :thumbsup:




at this point blondie, you are just verifying what I have said about it being transferred just like the flu breath from infected to non infected(airborne) close proximity, in high density. and surface contact.
a large apartment complex where contact is made on multiple common surfaces, spreads the virus to others making the same contact with them. samples of free air have not shown the virus still being viable in an airborne state out side of a close or confined space to be any different then the flu. which is still my original point.
I thought I posted the link showing the 3 hour with a 1 hour half life, I did not save it. this is not the same article but it has the same information.
https://www.acep.org/corona/covid-19-field-guide/home-safety/covid-19-aerosol-and-surface-stability/
this is the CDC explaining what is meant by airborne.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/cdc-covid-19-airborne-transmission-5081242

https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/penn-physician-blog/2020/august/airborne-droplet-debate-article
the data estimating 3 hrs related back to early 2020 when airborne spread was not given much attention . Delta is more much widely dispersed and has a faster infection rate . I expect new data will be released based on current scientific investigations .

as I mentioned before this is not the same report, but it has the same information, this is updated from the original report to still be current for the covid (SRS) virus.
but the counter point is what is politically expedient. so reports like these that goes against the cammand and control. gets buried . but that too, is based on which science you choose to believe. at this point anything fauci says is suspect, he's been caught in too many lies and now under investigation for helping to fund the lab where the virus was reportedly developed..
so I will continue listen to the independent labs studying the virus. that are continuing to get shut up for not falling in line.
and again,
and I'll circle back to my original point that started us on this discussion.
the corona virus is still spread the same as the flu, the flu mysteriously disappeared, even though it was widely said, (especially in the early stages of the virus) that it was extremely difficult to tell them apart.

until the politics and infighting is removed, and the truth is fully disclosed. there will continue to be a debate. and no one will know who for sure who to believe.
but I will lean away from those that are with fauci. his hands are too dirty..


As I pointed out to John if you wish to debate Fauci there are political threads better suited to that agenda .

I will continue to wear full “airborne “ protection (rather than droplet/contact) when isolating with a patient infected with covid , until medical science directs otherwise . I am sure if you were exposed to that same level of risk your perspective of covid would be somewhat different :-)
I'm not debating fauci, just the information, he and his cronies are putting out.
if your going to wear a full protection as you say, invest in a bio hazard suit. make sure the mask you wear is at least N/NK 95 rated and make sure that you wear the sealed goggles too. because covid can in theory spread through your tear ducts as well.. and an open face shield nor glasses will not block vapors.

I do property maintenance for a living, which means I'm in contact with the people living in those properties. so by my stated possisions on this subject, it has not changed my perspective. but living alone, I dont have to be isolated with any one that has been infected. if I was I would not care though. I'm not at high risk from covid. so if I was exposed and had a break though case, it would be likely to be very minor. and it would just boost my antibody count higher.

but until then, I will fallow the medical science I trust. so far it has not failed me.
and personally I'll continue to live my life just as I have been since before covid existed. and use the same safety measures I normally would during any flu out break.
Lmao .. isolating at home by your self is not the same as being in an hospital isolation room caring for an infected patient .

Covid is not the flu .

As for property maintenance .. if you are referring to mowing lawns or outdoor work the risk is less than in you are working indoors in homes or businesses . The latter exposes you to a much higher risk . For that reason during
lockdown maintenance work could only be performed if was “essential “. Your attitude is putting you (and others ) at risk . Despite what you claim , you are not following scientific recommendations .

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Thu 09/16/21 04:00 AM

Just found out yesterday that my sister in law contracted Covid for the 2nd time.

Even though she had recovered from Covid the 1st time she did get two vaccine shots.

Her PERSONAL doctor put he on monoclonal antibodies to fight the virus and she has recovered for the 2nd time.

Her case is why I DON'T agree with the "one size fits all" mandates. Everyone's immune system provides different degrees of protection which is why people should seek PERSONALIZED guidance from a medical physician.

Early on during outbreak of Covid I wondered if the overuse/over prescribing of antibiotics by doctors could be a contributing factor to the spread. I asked my sister, a registered nurse, if she agreed that antibiotic overuse could be factor and she believes it could be so I did some research. It turns out there have been studies regarding the overuse of antibiotics. I know antibiotics are use to help the immune system fight bacterial infection but the immune system doesn't just fight bacterial infection, it also fights viral infection.

Date:
August 17, 2017
Source:
University of Virginia Health System
Summary:
Adding another reason for doctors to avoid the overuse of antibiotics, new research shows that a reduction in the variety of microbes in the gut interferes with the immune system's ability to fight off disease.

I would never suggest the anyone NOT use antibiotics but I do suggest doing is your own research for information on any drug.

My doctor had changed my cholesterol prescription to Lipitor and within days I ended up with cystitis. I immediately started looking for interaction between my prescription and ALL side effects of each prescription. It turned that a rare side effect of Lipitor is cystitis. Neither my cardiologist, who prescribed Lipitor, or my urologist knew of that of that rare side effect. I'm not blaming getting cystitis on the doctors or the drug company, I'm just pointing out that as individuals we need to be proactive in our own healthcare.


Pleased to hear your sister-in-law has recovered (twice) waving

“Everyone should seek personalised medical advice” .,,the problem with that John is that there are barriers and inequalities to people seeking medical advice , not everyone can afford to , or has the same access . Public health services play a vital role in protecting everyone .

Can you post a link to the full article you are referring to about overprescribing/ antibiotics so I can understand the full context of what was being discussed .

Without a doubt unnecessary and inappropriate prescribing of antibiotics has contributed to the multi resistant super bugs we are dealing with today . ( something health professionals are well aware of ). Conversely , there is no evidence that antibiotic misuse/overprescribing has contributed to the Covid19 outbreak or transmission .

There is strong longstanding evidence that antibiotics can cause an imbalance of gut microbiotica . However , also important to note that covid Itself results in not only gut dysbiosis but systemic microbe imbalance of other organs too . (Every surface of the body has its own micro biome including the lungs and respiratory tract ) .
It is believed (but not proven ) that dysbiosis may predispose to secondary bacterial infections , may be linked to severity/progression of covid and play a role in long covid syndrome in those who recover .

Antibiotics are ineffective against viral infections . However during a severe covid infection often secondary bacterial infections are present which may require antibiotic therapy .

Monoclonal antibody therapy is not an antibiotic .

offtopic Very surprised that a “cardiologist “ would not know the side effects of a statin (including rare side effects) ... they are commonly prescribed . It is in everyone’s best interest to know and understand any medications they are taking .


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Thu 09/16/21 04:28 AM



While we are getting mandatory covid passes or proof via test to get entry to places, Denmark is abandoning ALL covid rules & regulations as of Friday.

I think I'm going to ask for asylum in Denmark!
We won't ever get there as long as the idiot in The Hague stays in power. The Netherlands are the biggest @$$ lickers of the EU.
Hi crystal waving I believe Denmark first started using the covid pass back in April . Now that they have fully vaccinated 83.5% of their population (well done Denmark !! ) , they have been discontinued and restrictions lifted . I believe the Netherlands have not reached vaccination thresholds yet .

I think it has more to do with the way Danish government deals with it and its people as opposed to the Dutch one.
They also aren't fussing about the Delta variant and open up regardless, saying "We can't stop that one anyway so no point in attempting to."
Dutch government's attitude is more of total control and restraint, turning the country in a form of concentration camp. I think that's why so many people are PO.
What I've seen a while back, NZ PM is also far more people friendly so whatever she says and does is much easier to digest by people.
What we have to deal with here is another ballgame and I think that's the biggest problem.
It's not for nothing we're having a demissionary cabinet. And the A-hole just doesn't want to go.

I think over here too many people don't trust the government because of its actions.
And I feel the same way. Someone like the NZ PM I'd far sooner trust as she's great.
Apparently it's the same in Denmark, and from what I know it's pretty much the same in Sweden.
I think the Dutch are famous for rebelling against authority crystal (just teasing you ) . You are right about our Prime Minister .., she is amazing smitten

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Edited by Richard on Thu 09/16/21 09:05 AM



I'm not debating fauci, just the information, he and his cronies are putting out.
if your going to wear a full protection as you say, invest in a bio hazard suit. make sure the mask you wear is at least N/NK 95 rated and make sure that you wear the sealed goggles too. because covid can in theory spread through your tear ducts as well.. and an open face shield nor glasses will not block vapors.

I do property maintenance for a living, which means I'm in contact with the people living in those properties. so by my stated possisions on this subject, it has not changed my perspective. but living alone, I dont have to be isolated with any one that has been infected. if I was I would not care though. I'm not at high risk from covid. so if I was exposed and had a break though case, it would be likely to be very minor. and it would just boost my antibody count higher.

but until then, I will fallow the medical science I trust. so far it has not failed me.
and personally I'll continue to live my life just as I have been since before covid existed. and use the same safety measures I normally would during any flu out break.
Lmao .. isolating at home by your self is not the same as being in an hospital isolation room caring for an infected patient .

Covid is not the flu .

As for property maintenance .. if you are referring to mowing lawns or outdoor work the risk is less than in you are working indoors in homes or businesses . The latter exposes you to a much higher risk . For that reason during
lockdown maintenance work could only be performed if was “essential “. Your attitude is putting you (and others ) at risk . Despite what you claim , you are not following scientific recommendations .

sory,but where did I claim or emply, that it was the same as being in a hospital in isolation??
please read what I said. I said even if I was I would not care. because, I am not at risk. and even if I did get infected through a break through case. I've been vaccinated, so it will be most likely very minor and it would just boost my antibody count higher.
the situation is not the same s when covid first hit. more vaccines are being approved.
and as I said I will fallow the medical science I trust.. you can fallow what you beleive.

I did not say landscaping. I said property maintenance, where I have to interact with the people living in the properties. that is building repairs. and yes I am considered an essential worker and no I did not get the virus, because I fallowed cleanliness and distancing and because of my work, I have several respirators rated higher then kn/N95 minimum recommended.

covid is not the flu, but it is still spread like the flu.
the same precautions will protect you from it in normal situations.
cleanliness( both your self and your surroundings), distancing, avoiding those who are sick and staying home if your sick.
under lock down mandate, I wore a full respirator, and carried multiple disinfectants while in occupied housing . and occupants had to report if any one in their house hold was sick and under quarantine..
but we are not under lock down and have not been since the vaccines have been being past out to every one that wants one.
there is currently mask restrictions where we must still mask up in some places like hospitals and stores. but seated dinning and the like is allowed.

just because I'm not being paranoid about it, dont mean I'm not fallowing the science.
nor do those that practice that science, fall into lock step agreement, with what is currently being spread by most government media that are politicizing the virus.
as I said if you want to know the other side. the information is still being reported. it is being blocked, and they are trying their best to prevent it from getting out. because those politicizing covid would loose the fear and control. they are holding over us. but if your willing to dig you can find it.

we are all adults, able to make our own decisions, and responsible for our own actions.
if wearing paper or clothe masks instead of a N95 mask make you feel safer in a covid zone, like an ICU. then by all means, that is your choice. but you are putting yourself and others at risk as well by not fallowing proper procedures.
a lot of hospital transference under lock down, was from medical staff, not sanitizing them selves or their clothing, prior to going to other staffing locations. taking the virus with them from an infected hospital, to in home care facilities. where the patients were at higher risk. this was after they were told to do so by the CDC. their excuse was they did not have the proper protective gear. ( a laundry hamper, change of clothes and a shower with soap ???)




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Thu 09/16/21 01:08 PM
@Richard .. you seem to just keep repeating info you have already posted . Including statements which are misinformed .

In my country property maintenance also includes outdoor maintenance such as mowing lawns and clearing/tidying sections (not considered landscaping here ).

I have never claimed to wear or support the use of cloth masks . I am a highly skilled health professional . Wearing full PPE and following infection control protocols is not paranoia rofl rofl rofl

You claim you are not a risk . Without knowing your medical history I can identify at least 4 risk factors that you have . Denial will not keep you safe . Best of luck .




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Thu 09/16/21 06:22 PM
Edited by Richard on Thu 09/16/21 07:01 PM

@Richard .. you seem to just keep repeating info you have already posted . Including statements which are misinformed .

In my country property maintenance also includes outdoor maintenance such as mowing lawns and clearing/tidying sections (not considered landscaping here ).

I have never claimed to wear or support the use of cloth masks . I am a highly skilled health professional . Wearing full PPE and following infection control protocols is not paranoia rofl rofl rofl

You claim you are not a risk . Without knowing your medical history I can identify at least 4 risk factors that you have . Denial will not keep you safe . Best of luck .




blonde, you need to go back and read what I wrote. you state I never supported wearing proper protection when it is needed, and that is not true.
in fact, I've stated you need to use proper safety gear that will actually protect you multiple times.
I also dint say wearing proper PPE in a covid rich environment was being paranoid, in fact I advised you personally to do so.
I said I was not being paranoid about fallowing reports that says we must wear it at all times. because it is not necessary to do so. while you state I'm in denial based on what you believe to be true. I state I'm fallowing the science I trust. just as your fallowing what you trust.
both points of view are supported..
I say I'm not at risk. because as I said medically I'm not. and I'm more at risk of being accidentally poisoned or electrocuted, then I am catching covid from work.

you state I'm repeating my self, well, so are you.
but you are saying I did not say things ,that I did say.
as well as saying things that I did not say nor imply.

when I stated non M95 masks were next to worthless, you countered my point, with out stating that you also recommend not using them. so I dont know what your personal stance was on non 95 masks other than, you seamed to be at least OK with them.
at any rate, I did not say you did wear paper or clothe masks, I said if they would make you feel safer. then that was your choice, as an example of peoples right to make their own decisions.
whether I agreed with them or not.
just as if you choose to walk down the street in full oxygen equipped bio hazard containment suit, would be your choice. (just dont expect too many others to do it too. ;-) )
I see a few people walking around wearing a mask out side, just walking by them selves (usually the blue paper ones). I have no problem with them choosing to do so.
my problem comes, when they try to tell me I have to also. because there is no proven data to prove we have to. (but I have also said that before.)
but there are several instances where wearing a mask out doors has put otherwise healthy people in the hospital and actually killed a few through asphyxiation.
they were people like joggers, kids playing sports, cyclists ect.. mainly due to restricted oxygen levels ,caused by moisture build up in the mask preventing proper ventilation. in short they suffocated them selves. to the point of blacking out or worse.

also we just had reports of up to a full third of this states medical staff , mainly nurses, walk off the job, rather than be forced to take any of the vaccines and / or were also fed up with being forced to wear sub standard PPE.
same with law enforcement and fire protection.
they are choosing to walk , rather than give in to government mandates. that stated they had to get vaccinated or not come in to work..
so there are large numbers of health and safety professionals, who are even more reluctant than I am. to fallow the current "guide lines".
this while those positions were all ready short staffed.


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Fri 09/17/21 09:32 AM
blonde in fairness, there are times when I do some ground maintenance as well. but it is not my primary job, and I did specify, that I was talking about the part of my job that required contact with the people living in those properties. so I apologize for my rebuke . that said, when I do have to take care of grounds maintenance. I'm at zero risk, because I am out side. by my self 90% of the time and when I'm not we are well distanced on the property working on different things..
any way I'm sorry, you are correct property maintenance can include some land scape work.

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Sun 09/19/21 09:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15684s

Hi check this clip with talking during FDA advisory meeting, slides are shown. The reporting persons say there are 2 deaths on 1 saved from the vaccines/genocines.

What kind of world is this and they push it for keeping work and on 12 year old children. Hope this madness stops.

At the same time in India in the state the speaker mentioned
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/huge-uttar-pradesh-india-announces-state-covid-19-free-proving-effectiveness-deworming-drug-ivermectin/

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