Topic: Fear is THE KEY?
Kevin's photo
Tue 10/19/21 02:48 AM
"Terrorism" is almost cliche now! The term "terrorist" also doesn't shake us up, as much!
What is this world heading towards? Destruction and not construction? Or is it construction of a sinister world order! Of late, during the (religious) festivities in this part of the sub-continent, there have been incidents of targeted killings of religious minorities in Bangladesh. The state is doing it's best to control the volatile situation. Kashmir, in India is also seeing targeted killings of religious minorities! And this is not just in this part of the world. We have such incidents in almost every part of the world today - targeted killings of minorities - religious, ethnic or any other.
What is the aim of such terrorizing a section of the population? Political gains? Or is there more to it?

 Ꮢ Ꭷ Ᏸ ɨ Ꮑ's photo
Tue 10/19/21 03:32 AM
Don't know exactly.
Because just a common man.
Surely some gains has to be to flow such fear of Terrorism. Their mission to rule, an just follows thier orders or else get killed..
People involved behind the scenes,
Players are different,
Minds of someone else....

Most important is who actually are funding them, an the funder where they are getting these fund for..
What's the motive between theae is a question?!!!???????

TangBang's photo
Tue 10/19/21 04:45 AM
Prior to US invasion of Afghanistan, Taliban had the poppy fields 95% eradicated thus the opioid/heroin industry 95% quashed. Within the first year after US occupation heroin production & presence skyrocketed 200% to all time record highs.
To think Taliban, isis or any other rogue group accomplished that to then touch every town in America with a substance to begin an epidemic that is the heroin/opioid crisis that still maintains supply flow to this day... Well that just says we have 0 national security & the wars on terror & drugs are gross displays of incompetence & dismal failures with 100's of 1000's of lives & Trillions of $ wasted. If a peasant level force had that logistical ability to disperse & deliver, they would have won the war on terror & achieved the "death to the west" they were so hell bent on near 2 decades ago.
We are well into the age of information where ignorance is chosen. Information is communicable in real time anywhere on Earth. All have the infinite knowledge of genius at the fingertips yet seek only trivial amusement People pretend to take interest in world events by thinking they are informed as they take the word of a six man cnn crew over ample amounts of Afghani's no different than anyone else with devices to show the world who has taken control of the heroin industry as well as Lithium powered products. Images , vids & even full documentaries hit the web regularly. Also regularly, I confront various officials of law with this because it says every individual one stands as one of only two possible things.....incompetent or accomplice that professional training says they are to a 50+ year war on drugs that has gained not one inch of progress while the law has grown to an empire of wealth and power protected by combat geared squads of task force that soon will need tanks to assist them to go nowhere. Yet never has one even uttered one word in response to my inquiry. They can't, they are in checkmate. Bottom feeders of trickle down economics and ultimately treasonous to the oath of service they swore that ultimately says them to be ..... domestic terrorists.
Heroin is a $50billion/yr market & Lithium harvest projected into the Trillions.
~For $10 a street thug will kill you. For billions & Trillions elite men of rule will kill a nation~

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Tue 10/19/21 06:42 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Tue 10/19/21 06:47 AM
Power -and in most cases- financial gain which thrives by fear, oppression, war even.
This is all part of the patriarchal system, which is basically imbalanced masculine energy, and thank goodness is on its way out!
We're headed in another direction entirely, just that not everyone is willing and ready (yet) to let go. And maybe some even see opportunities in the changing society to get a foot in the door to create more chit that they can make money out of.
And the ones that are behind that fear-mongering system do know they're on the losing end of the stick and they don't want the change as they fear what will come and fear losing their power and billions. So they're resisting as much as they can at the mo.
This system has been going for thousands of years.

Religion is also part of that and will also have to go or change dramatically. Religion is also part of patriarchal society and an excellent means to control, manipulate, and oppress people. A means to keep them small and to have them dim their own light.
Of course we've had a type of religion before, although labelled 'heathen' and 'evil'. This was a different and way more balanced form and not based solely around the masculine. Which is why they fought it and got rid of it (using force, torture, oppression).

It will all go, it just takes time. We're in the middle of a huge transition from the Age of Pisces (patriarchal= oppression, war, aggression, money, hate, status) to the Age of Aquarius (matriarchal= love, oneness, peace and harmony, cooperating).
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Mr Good Guy's photo
Tue 10/19/21 07:25 AM
"It will all go, it just takes time. We're in the middle of a huge transition from the Age of Pisces (patriarchal= oppression, war, aggression, money, hate, status) to the Age of Aquarius (matriarchal= love, oneness, peace and harmony, cooperating)."......

Wishful thinking, at best.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Tue 10/19/21 07:33 AM

"It will all go, it just takes time. We're in the middle of a huge transition from the Age of Pisces (patriarchal= oppression, war, aggression, money, hate, status) to the Age of Aquarius (matriarchal= love, oneness, peace and harmony, cooperating)."......

Wishful thinking, at best.

No, it isn't. It depends where you put your ear to the ground. Obviously you do that in the negative, dense collective. I don't.
It's merely a choice. You can either try to hold on to the old and obsolete, or go with the flow of the new that has come in already. And trying to hold on to the old is usually based in... fear.

Kevin's photo
Tue 10/19/21 07:59 AM
Hello @SparklingCrystal, just a pointer the word "archy" in patriarchy or matriarchy essentially means "rule" and hence relates to the exercise of power.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Tue 10/19/21 08:32 AM
Edited by SparklingCrystal 💖💎 on Tue 10/19/21 08:34 AM

Hello @SparklingCrystal, just a pointer the word "archy" in patriarchy or matriarchy essentially means "rule" and hence relates to the exercise of power.

And what is wrong with that? Nothing really. It is merely a suffix that on its own doesn't mean much but in combination with another word makes clear what type of order/rule/societal structure etc. you're dealing with.
Like my country being a monarchy. This says we are a kingdom, yet our kings and queens have no power whatsoever anymore.

And even in the case of power... I think people are afraid of power. But power in itself is rather neutral until you define it more. Power can be supportive, destructive, loving, oppressive, empowering, restricting, and so on.
We also say 'you have to stand in your power and shine your light!' which is absolutely great and positive!
Nothing wrong with power unless you use it for unpleasant things.

Not really sure why you brought this up? Usually you're into good conversations, now you want to play with words?
If you disagree with me it's okay to just say that.
To be honest, it's another example of how the patriarchal system has altered connotations of certain words ---> That system has taught the masses to be humble. WTH for?
The other new system that's based on love says: Stand in your power!! Claim your power and your sovereignty!

no photo
Tue 10/19/21 01:36 PM

"Terrorism" is almost cliche now! The term "terrorist" also doesn't shake us up, as much!
What is this world heading towards? Destruction and not construction? Or is it construction of a sinister world order! Of late, during the (religious) festivities in this part of the sub-continent, there have been incidents of targeted killings of religious minorities in Bangladesh. The state is doing it's best to control the volatile situation. Kashmir, in India is also seeing targeted killings of religious minorities! And this is not just in this part of the world. We have such incidents in almost every part of the world today - targeted killings of minorities - religious, ethnic or any other.
What is the aim of such terrorizing a section of the population? Political gains? Or is there more to it?


Hi Kevin, it seems like much of what you have mentioned is extreme religious intolerance. History is abound with it and I doubt it will stop. If you banish religion, it will just go underground, so I think there is no solution here.

no photo
Tue 10/19/21 02:37 PM
Hi Kevin waving There are many drivers of terrorism besides religion . If I had to choose one , it would be “perceived oppression “ and the need to eradicate anyone who represents a threat or barrier to a cultural group . (Culture as in shared strongly held values / beliefs ).. Morals (or lack of) are implicit in value systems and how we see (judge) others . Radicalised moralistic thinking becomes the perfect weapon to justify the use of immoral violence ). This is true for most acts of violence ... pathological and non pathological ).

Sorry this is all I have time to post right now .... but will contribute again later :thumbsup:

jaish's photo
Thu 10/21/21 01:11 AM

Hi Kevin waving There are many drivers of terrorism besides religion .

If I had to choose one , it would be “perceived oppression “ and the need to eradicate anyone who represents a threat or barrier to a cultural group . (Culture as in shared strongly held values / beliefs )..

Morals (or lack of) are implicit in value systems and how we see (judge) others .


what

If Group X perceives oppression then they would find some means of justification to eradicate Group Y - the oppressors --- provided Group X is a majority or in position of power. Example, incarceration of Jews in 1930s.

What if Group X is in the minority?

Resort to terrorism.

drinker



Radicalised moralistic thinking becomes the perfect weapon to justify the use of immoral violence ). This is true for most acts of violence ... pathological and non pathological ).


what O.i.c.

Pathological - Suicide bombers

Non pathological - gas chambers

Radicalised moralistic thinking. example: hiding behind the shield of religion.

drinker


Sorry this is all I have time to post right now .... but will contribute again later :thumbsup:


what Just when we are beginning to understand that there is, at the bottom of all the religious heap - just one driver of terrorism: economic / power - - to be continued after her return from vacation.

Meantime, we simple people may hold on to:

For $10 a street thug will kill you. For billions & Trillions elite men of rule will kill a nation~





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no photo
Fri 10/22/21 04:56 AM


Hi Kevin waving There are many drivers of terrorism besides religion .

If I had to choose one , it would be “perceived oppression “ and the need to eradicate anyone who represents a threat or barrier to a cultural group . (Culture as in shared strongly held values / beliefs )..

Morals (or lack of) are implicit in value systems and how we see (judge) others .


what

If Group X perceives oppression then they would find some means of justification to eradicate Group Y - the oppressors --- provided Group X is a majority or in position of power. Example, incarceration of Jews in 1930s.

What if Group X is in the minority?

Resort to terrorism.

drinker



Radicalised moralistic thinking becomes the perfect weapon to justify the use of immoral violence ). This is true for most acts of violence ... pathological and non pathological ).


what O.i.c.

Pathological - Suicide bombers

Non pathological - gas chambers

Radicalised moralistic thinking. example: hiding behind the shield of religion.

drinker


Sorry this is all I have time to post right now .... but will contribute again later :thumbsup:


what Just when we are beginning to understand that there is, at the bottom of all the religious heap - just one driver of terrorism: economic / power - - to be continued after her return from vacation.

Meantime, we simple people may hold on to:

For $10 a street thug will kill you. For billions & Trillions elite men of rule will kill a nation~





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Hi Jaish waving obviously my post has confused you .. apologies for that lol.

Pathological violence .. I was referring to “predatory premeditated” violence with the intent to kill ....versus impulsive or other types of violence .,

Re your example of a gas chamber ... .The mass extermination of Jewish people was premeditated and predatory .

“perceived oppression “ I was referring to the belief (real or imagined ) that one group “subdues “ the identity of another .....usually rooted in unequal power , unequal status , unequal access to resources , perceived injustice or feelings of alienation .etc .,

I believe social determinants (which include economic power btw) shape not only the circumstances people are COMPELLED to live in , but also their behaviour ., Social discontent can indeed fuel hate and violence . waving

Hope that all makes sense . :wink:


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Fri 10/22/21 09:49 AM
Edited by Smartazzjohn on Fri 10/22/21 09:51 AM

"Terrorism" is almost cliche now! The term "terrorist" also doesn't shake us up, as much!
What is this world heading towards? Destruction and not construction? Or is it construction of a sinister world order! Of late, during the (religious) festivities in this part of the sub-continent, there have been incidents of targeted killings of religious minorities in Bangladesh. The state is doing it's best to control the volatile situation. Kashmir, in India is also seeing targeted killings of religious minorities! And this is not just in this part of the world. We have such incidents in almost every part of the world today - targeted killings of minorities - religious, ethnic or any other.
What is the aim of such terrorizing a section of the population? Political gains? Or is there more to it?


Terrorism take many forms.

Last week for more than 40 minutes a woman was harassed and then raped by a stranger on a commuter train in suburban Philadelphia in the presence of other passengers. It's been reported that some of the passengers were holding cellphones and videoing what was happening.

An employee of the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority who was in the vicinity as the train went past called police to report that “something wasn't right" with a woman aboard the train. NOT A SINGLE PERSON on the train called the police let alone intervened.

Fiston Ngoy, 35, has been charged with rape, aggravated indecent assault and related counts, according to Delaware County court records. Ngoy entered the US on a student visa in 2012, but remained in the country after his visa was terminated.........in other words he was in the country ILLEGALLY!!!!

To make it even worse court records show that Ngoy had been arrested numerous times and has two misdemeanor convictions, one of which is for sexual abuse for which he pleaded GUILTY!!!!!! He was sentenced to 120 days in jail. He was then placed in immigration detention in January 2018. But he remained in the country because it was ruled that his sex crime was not a "serious crime" that would make him eligible for deportation.

Upper Darby Police Superintendent Timothy Bernhardt said ""It's disturbing that there were definitely people on the L, and no one intervened or did anything to help this woman out," during an interview...he went on to say "I have no words for it. I just can't imagine seeing what you were seeing through your own eyes and seeing what this woman was going through that no one would step in and help her,"

This is NOT only emblematic of much of society today as Bernhardt expressed it is also emblematic of the US justice and immigration system. There has been a lot of talk about how the US immigration system is broken.....as an immigrant myself who is now a citizen I agree but not in the way pundits, politicians and the media say it's broken. An immigration system that doesn't REQUIRE the deportation of a violent sexual predator and terrorist is broken.

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Fri 10/22/21 03:27 PM

Ngoy reportedly came to the US legally from Congo in 2012 but his visa expired when he ceased to be a student in 2015. In 2017 he was sentenced to 120 days in jail and nine months in probation after pleading guilty to a sex charge in Washington, DC. He reportedly was put in an immigration detention center in 2018, but the following year his deportation was halted after a judge ruled his misdemeanor sex offense was not a "serious crime".


This does not fit in with 'act of terror'.

A report says, the victim had been drinking - so vulnerable to attack from any other homeless, drunk or juvenile.


The victim later told officers she had been drinking and accidentally boarded the wrong train at the Frankford Transportation Center.

https://meaww.com/fiston-ngoy-security-video-shows-philadelphia-woman-repeatedly-pushing-him-away-as-he-groped-breasts


jaish's photo
Fri 10/22/21 03:49 PM
Edited by jaish on Fri 10/22/21 03:51 PM


Hi Jaish waving obviously my post has confused you .. apologies for that lol.

Pathological violence .. I was referring to “predatory premeditated” violence with the intent to kill ....versus impulsive or other types of violence .,

Re your example of a gas chamber ... .The mass extermination of Jewish people was premeditated and predatory .

“perceived oppression “ I was referring to the belief (real or imagined ) that one group “subdues “ the identity of another .....usually rooted in unequal power , unequal status , unequal access to resources , perceived injustice or feelings of alienation .etc .,

I believe social determinants (which include economic power btw) shape not only the circumstances people are COMPELLED to live in , but also their behaviour ., Social discontent can indeed fuel hate and violence . waving

Hope that all makes sense .


:thumbsup:

Discussions here have moved away from OP's query.


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Fri 10/22/21 04:15 PM



Hi Jaish waving obviously my post has confused you .. apologies for that lol.

Pathological violence .. I was referring to “predatory premeditated” violence with the intent to kill ....versus impulsive or other types of violence .,

Re your example of a gas chamber ... .The mass extermination of Jewish people was premeditated and predatory .

“perceived oppression “ I was referring to the belief (real or imagined ) that one group “subdues “ the identity of another .....usually rooted in unequal power , unequal status , unequal access to resources , perceived injustice or feelings of alienation .etc .,

I believe social determinants (which include economic power btw) shape not only the circumstances people are COMPELLED to live in , but also their behaviour ., Social discontent can indeed fuel hate and violence . waving

Hope that all makes sense .


:thumbsup:

Discussions here have moved away from OP's query.


Discussions are still on topic ... I was explaining why I believe “perceived oppression “ can be an underlying mechanism for terrorism and clarifying what I meant by pathological violence . .. as per my initial post tongue2 bigsmile

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Sat 10/23/21 05:17 AM
Edited by jaish on Sat 10/23/21 05:21 AM

Hi Blondey,
Your write is undoubtedly educational.

Terror acts can be categorized to 2 main causes: Pathological & second, that which stem from Perceptions of inequality and thereby threatens existence. A great example from an almost bygone era would be black militancy - whether in US, SA. Or the PLA struggle in Israel.

If we refer back to OP's query:

Kashmir, in India is also seeing targeted killings of religious minorities! ... also in Bangladesh (-predominantly Muslim)


While the killings in Kashmir don't seem to fit in with the 2 cats that in Bangla seems to fit Cat 1. (my opinion)

Since OP broadens it to include rest of world the original issue, Kashmir gets further blurred.



We have such incidents in almost every part of the world today - targeted killings of minorities - religious, ethnic or any other.
What is the aim of such terrorizing a section of the population? Political gains? Or is there more to it?


Terror in Kashmir is sponsored from across the border, Pakistan. and is for territorial gains. If Pak occupies Kashmir they have easier land connection with China.

drilling down, why would the Muslim public of Kashmir remain silent while their political leaders align with Pakistan and give sanctuary to Pak hired Taliban? Considering Indian Muslims enjoy democratic rights far more than Muslims anywhere including in UK

The closest answer so far as I can see, is supplied by TB


For $10 a street thug will kill you. For billions & Trillions elite men of rule will kill a nation


Your write makes this all this crystal clear. TY

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