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Topic: Defund the police
Ryan 's photo
Thu 01/06/22 10:31 AM
The left and far left ran on a defund he police platform.
And they did defund police departments and in the process villianized police. which led to demoralized police departments across America. especially in blue states. Urban areas 6
Police then retired or quit in record numbers. leaving these police departments severely undermanned.
And guess what happened... the crime rate skyrocketed. Especially murders, shootings, car jacking & smash and grab
Now the same people who screamed to defund the police are now screaming to refund police...and to hire yet more. They are giving police who did not quit up to a $10,000 bonus ... just to stay
During the entire last week of Dec. 6,500 NYC police called in sick... for the entire week..... 6,500
of course they were not sick. its the " blue flu"
But thats what happens when you demoralize....anyone. in any industry. They quit or they find ways not to work or they do the bare minimal ( human nature)
Good job left and far left.. the crime spike is on YOU

Rock's photo
Thu 01/06/22 10:48 AM
The left is rejoicing.

Mr Good Guy's photo
Thu 01/06/22 11:03 AM
I am astonished that roughly HALF of this country can support a party that believes:

1. Go easy on criminals, the police are the primary problem

2. Let anyone from any country come into the USA with no vetting and that will help our country

3. Shut down our oil pipelines so we are not a self-sufficient country and must rely on others

4. Looting, burning down buildings, stealing merchandise because a criminal is accidentally or mistakenly killed in the process of their crime (with maybe one exception) should be the norm and get a pass

5. Multiple genders, safe spaces, welfare without work (with a few exceptions), socialism, free stuff, others pay off my student loans for me, and woke nonsense makes a productive society.

Honestly, I find it impossible to believe that this many people in my country can be this stupid. Like it or not, if you voted/vote Democrat, this is what you are voting for.

I love this country but am finding it harder and harder to live amongst folks who feel this way after working hard my whole life and doing things right all along the way.

Surely I can't be the only one perplexed at how people can support the above.

Ryan 's photo
Thu 01/06/22 11:20 AM
I have a few friends and family members who are NYC cops and they tell me that if they see a crime being committed they will stop it but other then that they won't do much.
They tell me the city turned it back on them...public too. the ones who are close to retirement are taking early retirement, others are looking to move and become cops in other states or areas. where they are appreciated. Or just leave the field altogether
Imagine going to a job where your boss puts you down. takes away your budget and will not support you and your " customers" hate you.
That is how they feel... not a good feeling

Bart's photo
Thu 01/06/22 11:56 AM

I am astonished that roughly HALF of this country can support a party that believes:

1. Go easy on criminals, the police are the primary problem

2. Let anyone from any country come into the USA with no vetting and that will help our country

3. Shut down our oil pipelines so we are not a self-sufficient country and must rely on others

4. Looting, burning down buildings, stealing merchandise because a criminal is accidentally or mistakenly killed in the process of their crime (with maybe one exception) should be the norm and get a pass

5. Multiple genders, safe spaces, welfare without work (with a few exceptions), socialism, free stuff, others pay off my student loans for me, and woke nonsense makes a productive society.

Honestly, I find it impossible to believe that this many people in my country can be this stupid. Like it or not, if you voted/vote Democrat, this is what you are voting for.

I love this country but am finding it harder and harder to live amongst folks who feel this way after working hard my whole life and doing things right all along the way.

Surely I can't be the only one perplexed at how people can support the above.

I’m in N. Carolina, a rural area outside large city. Of all the people I encounter and I deal with blacks, whites, Latin. all different financial brackets. 80% of them are not shy about their disdain for joe Biden. I believe a lot of these opinions are because 99% of these folks are middle class working family’s. So this is something I only see on the news or discuss with other conservatives ( friends and family). So there are still large parts of this country that are not subscribing to all the immoral, Divisive ideology put forth by these sickos. I’m not convinced they will win, I see more and more folks are starting to wake up and see the liberal democrats for who the really are and what they really stand for. I believe another red wave is approaching maybe a tsunami.

Ryan 's photo
Thu 01/06/22 01:32 PM
The entire defund the police is a total failure. Now most politicians who backed it are trying to distance themselves from it.
And in my opinion the other big mistake they made was in the schools and inserting far left culture into the school boards and curriculum. In doing that they pissed off alot of parents. After all, humans are animals and in the animal world if you get between parents and their children, especially a mother and her kids. you are going to have a huge fight in your hands....And that's what they have.
I see a red wave in Nov. People have had enough

Smartazzjohn's photo
Fri 01/07/22 10:07 AM
While I think defunding police in Democrat controlled cities with high crime rates was idiotic giving more money to police now may be an exercise on futility.

The new Manhattan DA just told prosecutors to charge ARMED robberies as "petty theft" if no on was injured. That is but one of the ways he's told prosecutors to reduce normal felony charges to misdemeanor. He's claiming these policies will make New York safer. whoa

bobtail76's photo
Fri 01/07/22 12:16 PM

The left is rejoicing.



As well as the criminals

bobtail76's photo
Fri 01/07/22 12:17 PM
My bad... they're one in the same

Slim gym 's photo
Fri 01/07/22 12:18 PM
As well as the criminals ' cousins !!!

no photo
Fri 01/07/22 07:55 PM
Humanity has a floating ground -and/or many.

That is basically when a circuit is complete, but the return path is not also connected to earth ground. Without all circuits/devices also being grounded to earth, they do not have the same base of reference -and things go wrong when devices try to work together.

Earth ground in my analogy being reality.
We just have no clue that common ground and normalcy are real things. Everyone is in a separate reality and can't relate to each other as they float farther away from the common -actual -reality.

Hmmm just what I was thinking at the time

dust4fun's photo
Sat 01/08/22 07:37 AM
Edited by dust4fun on Sat 01/08/22 07:40 AM
Maybe we should do away with the police? We could use the money to buy every citizen a gun and ten bullets and see where thing go from there? Would it really be any worse than some of these other idiotic ideas they come up with?
Not only are they defunding police, the DA's are not prosecuting crimes, but I'm sure these criminals will only commit one crime in their life time and then move on to some schooling or a career of something productive to society.

no photo
Sat 01/08/22 01:50 PM
Edited by Redrider1500 on Sat 01/08/22 01:54 PM
Ahh! Still another MSM graduate! How many times did you vote for biden in the last election?

Oh, British Columbia. My question still stands, how many times did you vote for biden in the last election?

no photo
Sat 01/08/22 02:49 PM
everything is dependent upon people being basically good people -from there it's a matter of their understanding -which they will attempt to increase because they are basically good.

ideally, we want good cops and good citizens.

same is true for everything -if everyone is against everyone, the world implodes.

Bart's photo
Sat 01/08/22 03:27 PM


Ahh! Still another MSM graduate! How many times did you vote for biden in the last election?

Oh, British Columbia. My question still stands, how many times did you vote for biden in the last election?

Ahh! Another big lie believer, I feel bad for you but trust me, you will get over the fact that it was a fair election. Not even an insurrection could change it for the liar and (ex) chief.
Biden is making life's easier, I am sure many of the believers enjoyed all the financial help Joe provided and still will provide, even the GOP Senate has nothing better to do than throwing stones. That's what it has come to, so sad.

well that would be fine with me( stoning all the liberals,)but we outlawed that many years ago . Lol. Making life easier, 🤪. Try telling that to the cops or firemen or military personal . That lost their jobs because they refused to inject a drug into their body that is still not completely know how it will effect humans. Not to mention the 1000s of health care workers that were considered hero’s at the height of the pandemic. Americans are not sheep that will blindly follow our presidents or (kings) as we represented in 1776 when we kicked the ruling bums out of our country. The stimulus payments were a drop in the bucket for the working man. But since you don’t reside in this country it doesn’t surprise me your ignorant to what actually goes on here.

dust4fun's photo
Sat 01/08/22 06:08 PM


Ahh! Still another MSM graduate! How many times did you vote for biden in the last election?

Oh, British Columbia. My question still stands, how many times did you vote for biden in the last election?

Ahh! Another big lie believer, I feel bad for you but trust me, you will get over the fact that it was a fair election. Not even an insurrection could change it for the liar and (ex) chief.
Biden is making life's easier, I am sure many of the believers enjoyed all the financial help Joe provided and still will provide, even the GOP Senate has nothing better to do than throwing stones. That's what it has come to, so sad.



Not sure what you are talking about Joe providing financial help? Much more stimulus was given out while Trump was in office than when since Joe stepped in. Trump also cut taxes and increased the child tax credit, Trump also did away with the Obama care socialist penalty for not having health care. The cost of all energy sources has gone up under Biden, inflation is the highest it's ever been, how is that making my life easier? Maybe you should just MYOB or quit falling for these allusions that the media is trying to feed the people.

jaish's photo
Sun 01/09/22 04:56 AM

everything is dependent upon people being basically good people -from there it's a matter of their understanding -which they will attempt to increase because they are basically good.

ideally, we want good cops and good citizens.

same is true for everything -if everyone is against everyone, the world implodes.


getting clearer & clearer.

in the Kim Potter trail, Timothy Gannon, her boss and former Brooklyn Center police chief - resigned.

in fact, instead of Police De-fund, people should hold the chiefs accountable, including demand for their resignations.


dust4fun's photo
Sun 01/09/22 07:22 AM


everything is dependent upon people being basically good people -from there it's a matter of their understanding -which they will attempt to increase because they are basically good.

ideally, we want good cops and good citizens.

same is true for everything -if everyone is against everyone, the world implodes.


getting clearer & clearer.

in the Kim Potter trail, Timothy Gannon, her boss and former Brooklyn Center police chief - resigned.

in fact, instead of Police De-fund, people should hold the chiefs accountable, including demand for their resignations.



He resigned because the system is F'd up and he was getting pressure. Kim Potter had every right to shoot Daunte Wright. A 4200lb car can be just as deadly as any gun, clearly he put it in gear with no regards to anyone's safety. He also could of had a gun in the center console he was reaching for. It did not matter if Potter used a taser or a gun, she needed to do what she had to do to stop Daunte. The publics reaction and Black Lies Matter are the only reason she was tried and convicted. The jury will have their names released to the public, and they feared what would happen if she was set free. They are pushing to sentence her to 20 years in prison, while they have reduced Mohammed Noirs sentence from 12 1/2 years down to just 57 months meaning he will be eligible to be released any day now. Do people remember Mohammed Noir? He was the Minneapolis cop that reached in front of his partner and shot Justine Damon because he got "scared". Not sure if he was "scared" because she was white? Or because he felt threatened because she was a woman. She had nothing that could be considered a weapon, and he refused to say anything to anybody why he shot her until.his trial. It is all just a political game to show they are punishing white officers, and not holding black people accountable for their actions because they clearly know no better. When Damon was shot Minneapolis had a lesbian as the police chief, she was fired and replaced by a black police chief, now he is retiring so we will have to see what forms to there needs for the next check because it clearly has nothing to do with being qualified.

jaish's photo
Sun 01/09/22 08:33 PM
Edited by jaish on Sun 01/09/22 09:04 PM



everything is dependent upon people being basically good people -from there it's a matter of their understanding -which they will attempt to increase because they are basically good.

ideally, we want good cops and good citizens.

same is true for everything -if everyone is against everyone, the world implodes.


....

instead of Police De-fund, people should hold the chiefs accountable, including demand for their resignations.



He resigned because the system is F'd up and he was getting pressure.


:thumbsup: We need to know more about developing this kind of pressure. May be taught in schools.


Kim Potter had every right to shoot Daunte Wright.
A 4200lb car can be just as deadly as any gun, clearly he put it in gear with no regards to anyone's safety.
He also could of had a gun in the center console he was reaching for.
It did not matter if Potter used a taser or a gun, she needed to do what she had to do to stop Daunte.


Note: In India, we have our own history / news of police brutalities and I'm beginning to believe that police reforms need to start from the top. My views on this case are solely from the videos I saw on YT and not on the trail. Also, let's back up, so that we can also find out how and who escalated the situation.

Somebody did not like the air freshener dangling from the rear view mirror and so the car was stopped. The patrol car was more on a training mission and Daunte's vehicle - freshener - made for a nice exercise.

As per Potter's bodycam:
Daunte had already got outside his car as per the sergeant's orders; had his hands across his back as part of submission to being handcuffed but the man's hands were long; like a ball player's and the sergeant was having difficulty holding and handcuffing.

It was at this moment Potter moved forwards and added new instructions to the sergeant; probably some cuss words because the sergeant looked surprised - all in the video.

It was also at this point, on overhearing Potter; that Daunte jerked free his hands from the sergeant's grip and slipped back to the driver's seat. (By this time, Daunte had already explained he was driving his mother's car - in fact he was talking to her on the cell phone to assure the officer it was her car - and so on.

The likelihood of a weapon in the glove compartment would have implicated his mother who was now on the cell phone waiting for her son to hand over the handset to the officer.
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A trained police officer with 26 yrs of experience - is well aware that there may come a moment when she would have to erase a citizen / suspect who may compromise her to the authorities. In this case, the suspect had nearly got handcuffed and then broken free on hearing provocative words she had used - and these may now come out during an investigation / hearing.

A trained police officer who has the experience of working under pressure also knows how to camouflage her intent with clear spaced out words: 'Taser, taser, taser' - warning all her men to stand clear.

This also warned off the men to clear the path of the 4200lb car can be just as deadly as any gun,

All this while Potter was leveling the Glock.

What Potter's 26 yrs of experience did not prepare her for, was her bodycam view angle. In most cases, body cams are tilted towards ground and so end up taking pictures of a suspects shoes as he's been handcuffed.

Potter's bodycam was fitted at the right angle for best field view - so that the training assignment can be recorded / replayed. The MIC was muted when she gave instructions to the sergeant and then switched back on, when she warned 'Taser'.


Mohammed Noirs: Do people remember Mohammed Noir?


I have not studied Noir's case but makes one wonder how many such cases of unnecessary manslaughter by cops are covered up by the police chiefs as negligence - being committed by one of their own.





dust4fun's photo
Mon 01/10/22 06:36 PM
Daute Wright was pulled over not only for a dangling air freshener, but also expired licence tabs (registration). Things they commonly pull over people of any race for. The reason he was being handcuffed was not for simple traffic violations, but a warrant for failure to appear on a weapons violation. So there was a high probability for there to be weapons as he had a history of having weapons he was not supposed too. During the trial they agreed Kim Potter had the right to shoot Daute but they felt her negligent actions caused the death of Daute. Had she just said she yelled "taser, taser,taser" hoping another officer would taser him so she didn't have to shoot she would have been in the clear. Of coarse the most sensible thing clearly would of been just listen to the demands of the police and clear up his warrant as that was not just going to go away, not to mention the assaulting an officer and fleeing arrest he would have also been charged with, with his disregard to the law we are much better off without him considering the drastic increase of shootings we have seen, not by officers, but by these thugs that have no respect for society.

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