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the rank and file Chinese didn't like the Taiwanese and vice a versa.. The Chinese didn't like the Japanese either... actually hate would be a better word.
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I remember one time when I was there and the U.S. decided to fly some B-52's thru the disputed area between China and Taiwan and the Chinese people I was working with were not too happy about that. beiing that I was the only American for 100 miles I would have liked if the U.S. waited until I was out of there. but they didn't.... Lol. oh well.
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jaish
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I worked in China. I didn't agree with them .And I was contracted by a Hong Kong company with western ties to build the factory. I was reminded I was in a communist country everyday...they knew where I was and what I was doing. the rank and file Chinese didn't like the Taiwanese and vice a versa.. The Chinese didn't like the Japanese either... actually hate would be a better word. I remember one time when I was there and the U.S. decided to fly some B-52's thru the disputed area between China and Taiwan and the Chinese people I was working with were not too happy about that. being that I was the only American for 100 miles I would have liked if the U.S. waited until I was out of there. but they didn't.... Lol. oh well.  Haven't read anything comparable in a long while. We were surprised when few years ago, during the Indo-China border dispute, the Chinese media issued ‘threats’ {quoted and published in Indian news papers) and we were left wondering whether it was the Chinese media running their country’s foreign policy. Your write confirms that the Chinese media was simply channeling propaganda already ingrained in their public. A view of life ‘behind the Iron Curtain’. |
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it is ingrained deeply in the public. And for the most part they just do as they are told. and didn't make waves. I made some life freinds on that job. They want the same things in life that everyone wants, but at the same time they know those things are way out of reach. The things we take for granted clean water. clean air, clean food. dependable electricity ect, ect are not there. I feel sorry for them. They are really good hard working family oriented people who are totally controlled by their government
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My son did 10 years in the Marines at Camp Lejeune MCB. 3 years on the rifle range training Marines from our Allied countries. You would see these Marines in town everyday they stood out because of their different uniforms. They were always met with a smile or kind word or a suggestion on where to eat. They are welcomed here. A few years ago I was contracted to build a factory in China, in order to do that I had to live there for 2 years... not pleasant. But I did get a prespective of looking in at America from the outside and gained a view of how we are perceived from other countries. And the best way to put it is that America is that big strong retarded kid on your street, you want him to fight for you but you don't want to hang out with him. If we are not needed and not liked and our usefulness is not longer appreciated then by all means we should " bugger off" ..and pull our troops. You're still not understanding what I'm saying and now only acting the victim-role. Most of the wars the US got itself into WE didn't ask you to fight at all!! You did that all by yourself, only to protect your own US interests safe. We may have asked you to help out during WW2, you REFUSED. You only got involved when your own interest were affected. And then afterwards, to this day, America keeps up its arrogant attitude that we should be grateful because you saved the day. Maybe you were indeed part of saving the day but you didn't do it because you liked us so much. You only did it to retaliate because YOU were attacked. Years of futile war in Vietnam... WE didn't ask you to do that. YOU did that all by yourself because America didn't want communism to spread. So don't play this victim card and please read what is said, not make up your own version of that. If you want to help an ally, that's great. That's what you're allies for. But like when you help a friend it doesn't mean you move into his/her house when the helping part is done. You go back to your own home. Doesn't mean the friendship is over, doesn't mean you're not liked. Geeezzz.. cannot understand I have to explain at this level. It's how I'd explain a 6 yr old. I'm not going to do that anymore. Enough is enough. If you want to live your American view of how grant you are, good luck with it. |
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Edited by
Redrider1500
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Thu 02/17/22 03:21 PM
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My son did 10 years in the Marines at Camp Lejeune MCB. 3 years on the rifle range training Marines from our Allied countries. You would see these Marines in town everyday they stood out because of their different uniforms. They were always met with a smile or kind word or a suggestion on where to eat. They are welcomed here. A few years ago I was contracted to build a factory in China, in order to do that I had to live there for 2 years... not pleasant. But I did get a prespective of looking in at America from the outside and gained a view of how we are perceived from other countries. And the best way to put it is that America is that big strong retarded kid on your street, you want him to fight for you but you don't want to hang out with him. If we are not needed and not liked and our usefulness is not longer appreciated then by all means we should " bugger off" ..and pull our troops. You're still not understanding what I'm saying and now only acting the victim-role. Most of the wars the US got itself into WE didn't ask you to fight at all!! You did that all by yourself, only to protect your own US interests safe. We may have asked you to help out during WW2, you REFUSED. You only got involved when your own interest were affected. And then afterwards, to this day, America keeps up its arrogant attitude that we should be grateful because you saved the day. Maybe you were indeed part of saving the day but you didn't do it because you liked us so much. You only did it to retaliate because YOU were attacked. Years of futile war in Vietnam... WE didn't ask you to do that. YOU did that all by yourself because America didn't want communism to spread. So don't play this victim card and please read what is said, not make up your own version of that. If you want to help an ally, that's great. That's what you're allies for. But like when you help a friend it doesn't mean you move into his/her house when the helping part is done. You go back to your own home. Doesn't mean the friendship is over, doesn't mean you're not liked. Geeezzz.. cannot understand I have to explain at this level. It's how I'd explain a 6 yr old. I'm not going to do that anymore. Enough is enough. If you want to live your American view of how grant you are, good luck with it. In WW2, we were doing something called Lend-Lease to you. We were giving you tools to fight a war. What did we get in return? Ships being sunk by German U-boats. Then, obama was giving Ukraine blankets, when they were asking for Tankbusters to defend themselves. Trump gave them the tankbusters. Lyndon Johnson escalated Vietnam. Kennedy was going to pull out in early 1964. Now, I DON'T believe for one minute that Oswald was alone in killing Kennedy. Kennedy's headshot came from in front of him. The Zapruder film proved that. The who will never be solved. A few wars, we were asked for help, and we gave it. Now me, I think biden is a huge doofus, and so is Putin. Who in their right mind would take over a country, that has a thing called Chernobyl? You want that mess within your boarders? Fine. Guess what! We're sending a bill for housing that nuclear reactor, the rest of the world paid for. Please bring cash. |
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United states of America! Read the sentence carefully and take notice of the last word.
The founding fathers are turning in their graves because of what USA has become. It was not in their plan for the future. They fought a colonial power for independence. Yet now they are the biggest colonial power in the world today. Many presidents in the 20th and 21st century's have felt the need to be sly and pushed their economic agenda on to smaller countries in the disguise of "The helping hand" and deployment of troops to secure the situation. During WW2 Nazis confiscated a lot of treasure. At the end of the war those treasures was confiscated by the Allied forces. The US part was returned to some Europe countries in the name of Marchal aid. It was not aid! It was the biggest money laundering scam the world has ever seen before and since. Money was given with the condition that US goods had to be bought with the funds. Thus creating the golden 50.s in USA and fueling the nuclear cold war with money from killed Europeans. Even Swedens richest family the Wallenbergs managed to steel gold from Germany and to this day never gave it back to their distant relatives! The Russians just kept it and built mansions outside Moscow for high official in the Communist party. Now USA colonize the world for the greed of energy. Energy and time is the present worlds treasure! |
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Seems the underlying reason for Ukraine's resistance to Russia is Nord Stream 2 - it bypasses Ukraine.
(Nord Stream 1 - goes through Ukraine - a healthy source of revenue.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbxGYBY5M8 |
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my post had nothing to do with " how grand" we are and everything to do with how our service people are treated in Europe. And I base ghag on actually talking to scores of them who deployed in Europe.. I doubt that European country Nato troops are treated the same. And I do believe we should let Europe fight their own battles but when your main adversary ( Russia) had some of your strongest countries by the balls with oil dependency. that may be hard. But thats not our problem.
And it is clear that your words show a resentment towards the U.S...and its people. So I agree.. good day to you too. |
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Edited by
jaish
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Fri 02/18/22 05:58 AM
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Meanwhile, Russia has increased troops - estimated between 160,000 to 190,000 "in and around" Ukraine
- from 100,000 in Jan https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-says-russia-has-deployed-190000-troops-around-ukraine-e2-80-94-almost-doubling-its-strength-in-2-weeks-while-claiming-to-withdraw/ar-AAU22VR As matters stand, if Russia takes over Ukraine there's nothing NATO forces can do about it because Ukraine is not a member. Next few days will tell. |
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Meanwhile, Russia has increased troops - estimated between 160,000 to 190,000 "in and around" Ukraine - from 100,000 in Jan https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-says-russia-has-deployed-190000-troops-around-ukraine-e2-80-94-almost-doubling-its-strength-in-2-weeks-while-claiming-to-withdraw/ar-AAU22VR As matters stand, if Russia takes over Ukraine there's nothing NATO forces can do about it because Ukraine is not a member. Next few days will tell. Nord stream 1 goes also through the Baltic sea in partly Swedish economic zone and the Swedish island of Gotland is and have been used when constructing both one and two by the Russians. There is no Russian troops on "mainland" Ukraine, only separatists. In Crimea there are and has always been Russian troops and Russian population going back to the war against Turks and British. You probably heard about Nurse Nightingale. In 1954 after the death of Stalin, Crimea was transferred internally within the Soviet union from Russia SFSR to Ukraine SSR. But locally this was never accepted and Crimea is considered Russian. The original population of Crimean Tatarians still remains there but has not much to say in the matter. Due to a lot of corruption and bad economy there is a lot of opposition against Ukraine state.Not only in Crimea but all through the south and south east. One should remember that the Russian people originally comes from Kiev and the first "Russian" queen was a Viking. So this is the Russian motherland really. For Nato to come there would be as popular as Canadians invading Washington. It will not be tolerated! If the idiot Biden get involved in any future war, is on his hands. At this very moment Ukrainian nationalist and separatists are shooting at each other and people are being killed! This blood is spilled by Biden and his allied Nato members who like a bullie at school give moral support to others to fight when there is no need. I think Biden needs a conflict to stem internal criticism against his administration. This have been a popular tactic among US presidents. Create an enemy abroad to release pressure from the enemy with in USA. With out a war he will not be reelected. And wall street don't want Trump back, so here we go! |
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you make some very good points. I believe Biden is " riding" this Ukrane situation morning, noon & night to try to deflect attention from.....himself and his disasters. The disaster at hand is our economy and the rising costs...of everything . food, gas. supplies, materials... everything. And he has no answers,. none what so ever. so he is trying to defect attention to the Ukrane.
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Edited by
jaish
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Tue 02/22/22 03:02 AM
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday recognized two regions in Ukraine as independent and ordered Russian troops to conduct "peacekeeping" operations there. Putin's declaration named the two regions the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic. Both are unrecognized territories carved out by Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine after fighting broke out there against Ukrainian government forces in 2014. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening. "Their narrative has been that they do not. Our certain knowledge has been that they have." Donbas, like Crimea. |
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My son did 10 years in the Marines at Camp Lejeune MCB. 3 years on the rifle range training Marines from our Allied countries. You would see these Marines in town everyday they stood out because of their different uniforms. They were always met with a smile or kind word or a suggestion on where to eat. They are welcomed here. A few years ago I was contracted to build a factory in China, in order to do that I had to live there for 2 years... not pleasant. But I did get a prespective of looking in at America from the outside and gained a view of how we are perceived from other countries. And the best way to put it is that America is that big strong retarded kid on your street, you want him to fight for you but you don't want to hang out with him. If we are not needed and not liked and our usefulness is not longer appreciated then by all means we should " bugger off" ..and pull our troops. Really? That's interesting. Where were you located? I lived in China for four years and that wasn't my experience at all. I found the people very warm and welcoming to Americans. When they weren't asking to have their picture taken with us, or practicing their English on us, they were saying, "I love USA", talking about American shows/music/products and talking about how much they want to go there. Not a single Chinese person said anything negative about the U.S. to me in four years. That said, I DID hear negative things about the USA from coworkers who were from other (Western) countries. (Nothing new there, though.  )
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I lived and worked in south China , about 50 miles north of Shenzhen. in a village outside of Xeigangtown. I have visited and evaluated over 100 factories across Chjna . North to South ( except the far west area). Maybe I wasn't clear, the rank and file liked me..alot, they didn't really like the American government..they liked the people. In my time there I never saw anything " pro" America on t.v , what I did see was 100's of banned sites on the internet. They did not have much visibility outside of China I had dealings with the communist party ( to aquire more land for the factory) and while the meetings were productive I did not feel comfortable.. or wekcomr. it was uneasy. on both sides. In China the vast majority of the factory workers. live right there at the factory. the factory I was at ( and lived at) had over 4,000 workers. 12 men to a 10 x 12 concrete dorm room. 8 woman to a same size dorm. And I have witnessed horrendous living and environment conditions , conditions that people would go to jail for here. rightfully so. And I have seen my share of factory workers who resented America . because of the conditions of their work and living places to make stuff for Americans.
Everyone who has lived there has experiences based in where you worked and what you did for a living. My work took me into ghe industrial life.. and the best way to describe it is. miserable where did you live abd work . |
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@Ryan
Okay, that makes a lot of sense, we had very different experiences. I was in Chengdu. I'm a teacher and work in international schools, so students and staff come from all around the world. The local staff had masters degrees (not the ayis) and any local students came from wealthy, educated families who had been to the U.S. several times. But just out and about around the city, people were very welcoming to us, and sometimes overly so. My daughter (a teenager) felt like a celebrity, with all the people coming up and wanting to get their picture taken with her. Yes, there were a lot of banned websites, but everyone had a VPN so they were able to access them anyway. I never experienced the things you experienced. There were parts of town I never went and people from some walks of life that I never met. Really interesting the different experiences we both had in China. When were you there? I was there from 2013-2017. |
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I lived there in 2011 and 2012. I first started going to China for work in 2001, I would go in 3 times a year and spend about 3 weeks each time visiting the factories that made our stuff. we sold flatware. cutlety and ceramic dish sets. Usually because of quality or social compliance issues that were found .most all the factories were in rural areas or industrial zones. . I would stay at hotels along the way set up by our China office. but when I lived there ( to build a factory) they built me a apartment as " western" as they could.. there were no hotels and even if there were the people I had to work with would have never respected me if I didn't live where they live and eat what eat .. so I did. In my travels I stayed in many cities Beijing, Shanghai. Tianjin, Shenzhen dct. I liked the cities but life outside them is totally different. And I love Hong Kong..I would go there ( or to Shenzhen) at times to get some rest and western food when I was building the factory
I am sure you have made some life freinds in mainland. I know I have . And I learned a lot there when I fist arrived there they gave me the blueprints which were in chinese.. I don't read Chinese.. I had some very trying times and also some great times. in my " apartment" they were able to install a western toilet and they were very proud of it.. and I was very grateful because I didn't have to use the hole in the floor. ;). you know the one |
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday recognized two regions in Ukraine as independent and ordered Russian troops to conduct "peacekeeping" operations there. Putin's declaration named the two regions the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic. Both are unrecognized territories carved out by Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine after fighting broke out there against Ukrainian government forces in 2014. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening. "Their narrative has been that they do not. Our certain knowledge has been that they have." Donbas, like Crimea. I don't know where you get your quotes? Crimea: Russians have had a navy base there for much longer then USA has had Guantanamo base on Cuba. Luhansk and Donetsk = Donbas: No official Russian military there yet. How ever it's a long border and Russians living in those regions with Ukrainian passports can travel to Russia and back. Since they have for 8 years constantly been under barrage from Ukrainian army who control about half of those regions. Today morning Swedish state controlled TV showed pictures of mortar attacks against civilian houses and power plants in separatist controlled areas. Not a word was said that this was Ukrainian army doing but they misled audience to believe it was Russian attack. I am not surprised. Our prime minister was hastily replaced by a puppet schooled in US university's. Sweden is no longer a neutral country but yet another Nato puppet. Covid 19 restrictions is on the way out and a new way to control people is needed. The prices of energy was increased to mask the coming wars influence on those prices. So to say, to get people used to high prices of energy. It is all masterminded by shadowy people and the puppet Biden has no backbone to object about it! If Trump had been in power there would not have been such a mess. There is one good thing about this though. I wonder how world leaders will explain their roll in the pollution that will be upon us from bombs, tank, planes and what not? Suddenly climate is not important! It goes to prove that human fault climate change is yet another lye that leaders pushed upon us! Or do Biden and his employers just don't care that we all slowly roast in a boiling world? One final suggestion. Go to a library, find an pre WW2 encyclopedia and start reading. Or if you are lazy there is Wikipedia that politically neutral. You will be amazed what today's media is omitting and history changing. |
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Edited by
jaish
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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday recognized two regions in Ukraine as independent and ordered Russian troops to conduct "peacekeeping" operations there. Putin's declaration named the two regions the Luhansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic. Both are unrecognized territories carved out by Russian-backed separatists in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine after fighting broke out there against Ukrainian government forces in 2014. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk not itself be a new step. Russia has had forces in the Donbas region for the last eight years," a senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told reporters on a briefing call Monday evening. "Their narrative has been that they do not. Our certain knowledge has been that they have." Donbas, like Crimea. I don't know where you get your quotes? Crimea: Russians have had a navy base there for much longer then USA has had Guantanamo base on Cuba. Luhansk and Donetsk = Donbas: No official Russian military there yet. How ever it's a long border and Russians living in those regions with Ukrainian passports can travel to Russia and back. Since they have for 8 years constantly been under barrage from Ukrainian army who control about half of those regions. Today morning Swedish state controlled TV showed pictures of mortar attacks against civilian houses and power plants in separatist controlled areas. Not a word was said that this was Ukrainian army doing but they misled audience to believe it was Russian attack. I am not surprised. Our prime minister was hastily replaced by a puppet schooled in US university's. Sweden is no longer a neutral country but yet another Nato puppet. Covid 19 restrictions is on the way out and a new way to control people is needed. The prices of energy was increased to mask the coming wars influence on those prices. So to say, to get people used to high prices of energy. It is all masterminded by shadowy people and the puppet Biden has no backbone to object about it! If Trump had been in power there would not have been such a mess. There is one good thing about this though. I wonder how world leaders will explain their roll in the pollution that will be upon us from bombs, tank, planes and what not? Suddenly climate is not important! It goes to prove that human fault climate change is yet another lye that leaders pushed upon us! Or do Biden and his employers just don't care that we all slowly roast in a boiling world? One final suggestion. Go to a library, find an pre WW2 encyclopedia and start reading. Or if you are lazy there is Wikipedia that politically neutral. You will be amazed what today's media is omitting and history changing. I wonder how world leaders will explain their roll in the pollution that will be upon us from bombs, tank, planes and what not? Yes, pollution / climate change is a factor unaccounted for. There's a need to lift the ban on nuclear weapons, at least for small bombs with controlled radiation limited to 1 mile radius. On your question: I don't know where you get your quotes? the source / link was already provided between the paras. Repeating here: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082146367/putin-ukraine-donetsk-luhansk One final suggestion. Go to a library, find an pre WW2 encyclopedia and start reading. Or if you are lazy there is Wikipedia that politically neutral. Funny because NPR, Reuters are generally root source for majority in news media. Wikipedia is more of a work-in-progress |
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