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Topic: Asexuality
Joye's photo
Thu 02/08/24 07:56 AM
Asexual – A term used to describe someone who does not experience sexual attraction toward individuals of any gender. Asexuality is a sexual orientation, and is different from celibacy, in that celibacy is the choice to refrain from engaging in sexual behaviors and does not comment on one's sexual attractions.

So, it's basically someone who is simply interested in a travel companion, or day to day companionship, excellent, sane conversation, humor, and the like without sexual intimacy (not to say cuddling is out).

I like the concept.

What are your thoughts?

Mr Good Guy's photo
Thu 02/08/24 10:50 AM
I think your girl friends are your best bet then.

soufiehere's photo
Thu 02/08/24 11:52 AM
I think if they could bottle it, then force-feed
some to Trump, he might start keeping his
fat paws off women.

no photo
Thu 02/08/24 03:32 PM

Asexual – A term used to describe someone who does not experience sexual attraction toward individuals of any gender. Asexuality is a sexual orientation, and is different from celibacy, in that celibacy is the choice to refrain from engaging in sexual behaviors and does not comment on one's sexual attractions.

So, it's basically someone who is simply interested in a travel companion, or day to day companionship, excellent, sane conversation, humor, and the like without sexual intimacy (not to say cuddling is out).

I like the concept.

What are your thoughts?


I don't believe that there is any requirement for asexual persons to have any social interests.

Joye's photo
Thu 02/08/24 04:13 PM
No, there aren't requirements, I am adding my specific interests as might anyone else. There are also different versions of being an Ace (as it's sometimes called.)

DEMISEXUAL: a person who experiences sexual attraction to someone only after forming a close emotional bond with that person. They may also identify as gray-asexual (or gray sexual).

...and there are more.

I find it a fascinating subject.


SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Thu 02/08/24 04:39 PM
Probably due to lack of oestrogen in women and when it concerns men, lack of testosterone.
Both genders are lacking in their resp. hormones these days.
Men have 20% (!!!!) less testosterone than they used to have. This goes for young men too, age 20 and up.
Our hormones are directly related to having a sexdrive or not.
In women it's mainly oestrogen, for men testosterone.

Try HRT (hormone replacement therapy) for a while and you'll likely notice that suddenly you DO have sexual feelings and a sex-drive and are no longer a-sexual at all.

The lack of hormones is one of the biggest issues of mankind.
It has scientifically proven and predicted that in the very near future we might become near extinct.

And think of the difficulty people have had for decades with getting pregnant!
IVF became common-place in the 80s and the difficulty to become pregnant has only increased since then.
That's 40 yrs already!

Lack of hormones. Major issue!

Get some oestrogen cream. I'm almost 100% certain you'll get a sex-drive and sexual feelings again.
** do use progesterone as well if you have a uterus.

Joye's photo
Thu 02/08/24 06:39 PM
Yes, you are absolutely correct in your description of one possible scientific reason, however, it's definitely not a 'one size fits all' scenario.

I personally have been researching this subject for a while and in my conversations with a myriad of individuals the reasons can vary.

For some it is purely a lack of "sex-hormones" (estrogen & testosterone) for others it's an intellectual choice, for some it's something all together different.

I found this information regarding studies done very interesting: It has been compared and equated with hypoactive sexual desire disorder (HSDD), a diagnosis which was in the DSM-4, in that both imply a general lack of sexual attraction to anyone; HSDD has been used to medicalize asexuality, but asexuality is generally not considered a disorder or a sexual dysfunction (such as anorgasmia, anhedonia, etc.), because it does not necessarily define someone as having a medical problem or problems relating to others socially.[9][21][43] Unlike people with HSDD, asexual people normally do not experience "marked distress" and "interpersonal difficulty" concerning feelings about their sexuality, or generally a lack of sexual arousal; asexuality is considered the lack or absence of sexual attraction as a life-enduring characteristic.[15][21] One study found that, compared to HSDD subjects, asexuals reported lower levels of sexual desire, sexual experience, sex-related distress and depressive symptoms.[44] Researchers Richards and Barker report that asexuals do not have disproportionate rates of alexithymia, depression, or personality disorders.

Sweet!

PhotogVA's photo
Fri 02/09/24 07:19 PM
Edited by PhotogVA on Fri 02/09/24 07:20 PM
You might also want consider PED which is a term specifically related to men.

It used to be that sex wasn't in people's faces continually like it is now, think leggings, etc.

You might have gotten a flash of leg when the wind blew a skirt up and women didn't wear pants that you could tell....well everything about their lady parts thru them.

Because of this men and probably some women have become numb to sexual signals and are no longer responding to what would have been 10 years ago a "turn on" moment.

If you are not interested in sex since you see it continually you would also be asexual.

Might also look at Soy products and the effects on testosterone, great product to push in advertising if you want to emasculate men to make them subservient little serfs for the powerful and rich to have as servants. Soy in fact has had an actual measurable effect on Asian men and size of reproductive parts.

bobtail76's photo
Sat 02/10/24 06:26 AM

Probably due to lack of oestrogen in women and when it concerns men, lack of testosterone.
Both genders are lacking in their resp. hormones these days.
Men have 20% (!!!!) less testosterone than they used to have. This goes for young men too, age 20 and up.
Our hormones are directly related to having a sexdrive or not.
In women it's mainly oestrogen, for men testosterone.

Try HRT (hormone replacement therapy) for a while and you'll likely notice that suddenly you DO have sexual feelings and a sex-drive and are no longer a-sexual at all.

The lack of hormones is one of the biggest issues of mankind.
It has scientifically proven and predicted that in the very near future we might become near extinct.

And think of the difficulty people have had for decades with getting pregnant!
IVF became common-place in the 80s and the difficulty to become pregnant has only increased since then.
That's 40 yrs already!

Lack of hormones. Major issue!

Get some oestrogen cream. I'm almost 100% certain you'll get a sex-drive and sexual feelings again.
** do use progesterone as well if you have a uterus.



That's a very good point. But are those studies done cross culturally?

I'm not sure extinction would be a cause of that though. I think once women gained control of their reproduction in the 50's and 60's the drop has been off with every decade after. At the end of the day, women are the gatekeepers of our demise.

There are nudges from society that take a big shlt on families. Feminism telling women it's better to serve a boss than a husband. I think cultures without the western ideas will outlast the west that's for sure. They're still having children and keeping the family unit together.

I digress..

I think Good guy has it right, stay with your girlfriends. Guys want to smash. And if you're not attracted to male energy - you're good with your girls

Dave's photo
Sat 02/10/24 07:55 AM
Agreed - No relationship ever in life, and no social life. Just about sums me up.

Joye's photo
Sat 02/10/24 10:36 PM
So, my former spouse, a male, with whom I remain friends, was one of the first people who brought this to my attention years ago.

Since then I've run across a variety of groups, forums, and meetups who ascribe to a variety of versions of asexuality....and it seems to be growing.

Perhaps at some point mingle2 might add an option for those interested in this.

The more options the better!

Joye's photo
Sat 02/10/24 11:17 PM
When discussing asexuality, it’s important to remember that not all asexual people have the same experiences with sex and romance. Some may choose to have sex even though they don’t feel sexual attraction. Others may have no interest in sex or romantic relationships at all.

There are many asexual types and not everyone who identifies as asexual experiences their sexuality in the same way.

People who feel little to no sexual attraction don’t have to follow any specific rules or meet any specific criteria about the emotional, sexual, or spiritual connections and relationships they have in life. Asexuality is both a spectrum and a sexual orientation, and identifying as asexual may help some people form a healthier view of themselves.

Asexuality is not a condition, and there’s no “treatment” you need if you’re questioning your sexuality or how you identify. However, heteronormative views are common in the United States. They can be a contributing factor to the discrimination and abuse felt by so many people who don’t express “traditional” (as established by our society) sexual orientation, sexual identity, and/or gender roles.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Sun 02/11/24 02:31 AM
Joye, thanks for the info you posted earlier.

Fact that people don't experience it as a problem still doesn't mean it isn't related to imbalance / low levels of gender-specific hormones!
As a matter of fact I think many will feel more at peace when their sexdrive disappears. Sexdrive in a sense brings more 'waves' in life, which are supposed to feel good.
But I think some people feel like that's a lot of to-do. Yet, with these people it usually stems from lack of hormones...

I have been reading a helluva lot on this of late and you will not believe how much of our behaviour, interest in things, desire to socialize, sex-drive and so on is dependent on hormones!
When you read all the ins and outs of hormones it becomes clearer and clearer that most of what we do, feel, think, want, desire -or lack thereof- is driven by hormones.
Just for the heck of it Google 'symptoms of low estrogen' to get an idea how far the impact goes!

I do wonder if a-sexuals can have real deep passions in life? For instance very good at sports, or painting, or... or...
Could be they're incapable of feeling such passions for something or... they've found another outlet for their energy.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Sun 02/11/24 02:44 AM


Probably due to lack of oestrogen in women and when it concerns men, lack of testosterone.
Both genders are lacking in their resp. hormones these days.
Men have 20% (!!!!) less testosterone than they used to have. This goes for young men too, age 20 and up.
Our hormones are directly related to having a sexdrive or not.
In women it's mainly oestrogen, for men testosterone.

Try HRT (hormone replacement therapy) for a while and you'll likely notice that suddenly you DO have sexual feelings and a sex-drive and are no longer a-sexual at all.

The lack of hormones is one of the biggest issues of mankind.
It has scientifically proven and predicted that in the very near future we might become near extinct.

And think of the difficulty people have had for decades with getting pregnant!
IVF became common-place in the 80s and the difficulty to become pregnant has only increased since then.
That's 40 yrs already!

Lack of hormones. Major issue!

Get some oestrogen cream. I'm almost 100% certain you'll get a sex-drive and sexual feelings again.
** do use progesterone as well if you have a uterus.



That's a very good point. But are those studies done cross culturally?

I'm not sure extinction would be a cause of that though. I think once women gained control of their reproduction in the 50's and 60's the drop has been off with every decade after. At the end of the day, women are the gatekeepers of our demise.

There are nudges from society that take a big shlt on families. Feminism telling women it's better to serve a boss than a husband. I think cultures without the western ideas will outlast the west that's for sure. They're still having children and keeping the family unit together.

I digress..

I think Good guy has it right, stay with your girlfriends. Guys want to smash. And if you're not attracted to male energy - you're good with your girls

You're confusing Western culture with American culture. It's not the same.
You over there have this feminism thing, lots of anti-women stuff going on in the US still. Which is far from being a 1st world country, closer to a developing country's culture.
That is typical US.

As for it being researched across cultures: yes. The decline in fertility is worldwide. Pollution plays a part in this.
But in many other cultures hormone levels are still healthier.

And a good thing women don't choose to serve their husband. If a man wants to be served he better get hired help in.
We're equal, are supposed to be equal. Man & woman are meant to stand side by side, equals, perfect complements. That's Divinely created that way, mankind effed that up.

Seems US men feel emasculated when a woman is equal, meaning your version of feeling like a man comes from knocking women. Does that sound healthy to you? Doesn't even sound manly if you need to feel good at the expense of another.
Being a man means you honour other people, especially your partner. You respect, love, cherish her, defend her if need be, provide & protect. You don't need her to be inferior in order to feel good yourself.
That attitude should be in the DSM-5 as it's scary and sounds like a serious mental health condition.
Seems to go around in the US a lot as I've never come across it here.

bobtail76's photo
Sun 02/11/24 04:21 AM
I agree with your position on what it is to be a man.

My question to you.... what is the woman reciprocating with?

Joye's photo
Sun 02/11/24 09:05 PM

Joye, thanks for the info you posted earlier.

Fact that people don't experience it as a problem still doesn't mean it isn't related to imbalance / low levels of gender-specific hormones!
As a matter of fact I think many will feel more at peace when their sexdrive disappears. Sexdrive in a sense brings more 'waves' in life, which are supposed to feel good.
But I think some people feel like that's a lot of to-do. Yet, with these people it usually stems from lack of hormones...

I have been reading a helluva lot on this of late and you will not believe how much of our behaviour, interest in things, desire to socialize, sex-drive and so on is dependent on hormones!
When you read all the ins and outs of hormones it becomes clearer and clearer that most of what we do, feel, think, want, desire -or lack thereof- is driven by hormones.
Just for the heck of it Google 'symptoms of low estrogen' to get an idea how far the impact goes!

I do wonder if a-sexuals can have real deep passions in life? For instance very good at sports, or painting, or... or...
Could be they're incapable of feeling such passions for something or... they've found another outlet for their energy.


Joye's photo
Sun 02/11/24 09:06 PM
:smile: :smile:


Joye's photo
Sun 02/11/24 09:10 PM
Asexuality is frequently misunderstood, and sometimes even dismissed – here’s how you can by an ally to asexual people:

Believe people when they say they are asexual.
Educate yourself on asexuality, as well as other identities.
Do not tell asexual people that they are “going through a phase”, or that they have low hormones, or that they “just haven’t met the right person yet” – this is a lazy and offensive stereotype and it’s just false. Not everyone needs sex or relationships to be happy.
Some societies assume that all people are sexual, but this is simply not true – so challenge this assertion when you can.
Do not quiz a person on their asexuality (or any other identity) – people will offer information if and when they choose to. It’s no one else’s business but their own!

Joye's photo
Sun 02/11/24 09:15 PM
MYTH #1 Asexuality is caused by a hormone deficiency.

There is no scientific evidence to suggest that asexuality is caused by a hormone imbalance or a deficient sex drive. In fact, those who have had their hormone levels tested have generally been found to have levels within the normal range. Some asexuals also have undergone hormone therapy for reasons distinct from their sexuality, and have reported no changes in their sexual orientation. This is because your sex drive, which is what’s actually associated with hormone levels, is different from your sexual orientation. Many asexuals are perfectly capable of experiencing arousal, but they don’t experience sexual attraction. Additionally, a loss of sexual interest due to hormone imbalance is often a sudden change, while asexuality is typically a permanent or long-term thing, rather than the result of something being ‘lost’. One’s sexual and romantic orientations are not governed by one’s libido, or one’s hormone levels.

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Tue 02/13/24 01:25 PM


You're confusing Western culture with American culture. It's not the same.
You over there have this feminism thing, lots of anti-women stuff going on in the US still. Which is far from being a 1st world country, closer to a developing country's culture.
That is typical US.

As for it being researched across cultures: yes. The decline in fertility is worldwide. Pollution plays a part in this.
But in many other cultures hormone levels are still healthier.

And a good thing women don't choose to serve their husband. If a man wants to be served he better get hired help in.
We're equal, are supposed to be equal. Man & woman are meant to stand side by side, equals, perfect complements. That's Divinely created that way, mankind effed that up.

Seems US men feel emasculated when a woman is equal, meaning your version of feeling like a man comes from knocking women. Does that sound healthy to you? Doesn't even sound manly if you need to feel good at the expense of another.
Being a man means you honour other people, especially your partner. You respect, love, cherish her, defend her if need be, provide & protect. You don't need her to be inferior in order to feel good yourself.
That attitude should be in the DSM-5 as it's scary and sounds like a serious mental health condition.
Seems to go around in the US a lot as I've never come across it here.


I'm not sure where you're getting your information on American men from but I feel you are misinformed. I'm general we don't have any problem with being in a 50/50 relationship and considering women equals. The problem is the "modern" American woman (this goes for the younger generations not those my age or older) doesn't want equality, they want men to be under their foot. They want the 50's husband that buys the house, cars, and pays all the bills. The popular phrase they use is "his money is our money and my money is my money". They want the man to pay for everything, split all household and parenting duties while keeping their own earnings to themselves. That's not a 50/50 partnership. They want to be considered above men not equal to them.

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