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Topic: draft??
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Tue 11/28/06 11:19 PM
what do you think? SHOULD THE USA START THE DRAFT AGAIN??

pms64's photo
Wed 11/29/06 02:05 AM
Haven't enough of our men died without that?
PMS

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 11:40 AM
I'm not an American so it really doesn't affect me. But don't you think
that you get a better quality of soldier from someone who volonteers
with the knowledge of what is expected from him rather than forcing
someone into a situation simply because he's hit the age 18.

sherrie0527's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:00 PM
i agree.. it is crazy there is people signing up all the time.. and
seems like EVERYONE i talk to is ither over there or fixing to leave to
go over seas... they have plenty and if not fuckin leave... why take
someone that doesn't want to go??? when there are plenty that do?

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:09 PM
Actually, I have been reading that you get a better Quality Of soldier
when coscript! Because you draw from a more diverse and educated group,
instead of a volunteer force. The volunteer group is made up of people
that are there for mostly economical circustances!

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:25 PM
Wouldn't mind reading some of that Fanta, but we do have a volonteer
force which is diverse and educated. You can't get in without your
Secondary 5 (School Diploma). You don't even get to be a ground-pounder
without it. The Canadian Armed Forces are still a fine military machine.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:26 PM
As is ours! But the facts are the facts!

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:29 PM
Still would like to read some of what you found.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:33 PM
There is plenty of info! I googled it, there was a site about
congressional discussion that I thought was the most unbiased! I was
writing a paper on the subject! I was for the draft, but while doing
researh on it. I changed my mind 180 degrees!

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:35 PM
I served in the army/volunteer for 4 years! Infantry!!!!

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:35 PM
I'll look for that congressional discussion you mention. Sounds like it
could be interesting.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:38 PM
I was thinking of posting my essay for you to read.

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 12:42 PM
Sure. Always enjoy reading something of interest. Canadian Armed Forces
Reserve 51st Serv. Batt., RCASC, 121st Trans. Co. and later Canadian
Armed Forces Reserve 48th Highland Reg. (Black Watch)

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:00 PM
November 26, 2006
A Veterans’ Point of View
As a veteran of the Armed Forces, I watched the reaction to the
conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and I saw a reaction similar to what I
might expect at a sporting event. Instead of being shocked at the loss
of life. Soldiers, civilian, and property people were watching it on the
television at home, at work, and at the local pub laughing cheering and
even playing armchair quarterback.
Did they not understand that these were real people in real places? With
families, hopes, and dreams just like them and that those American
soldiers had mothers who were worried.
Many of my family members have served in the Armed Forces through out
the history of America, including myself. Both in war and in peacetime
and there has always been a great deal of patriotism and pride in our
participation and service to the country. Lately, however, I have taken
notice of the younger generation in my family, and I believe that they
are a good representation of the younger generation in the country. The
attitude of them and the majority of their friends seem to be that they
are naturally entitled to the benefits and luxuries of our society
without ever doing anything to contribute. It is not just in the youth
that I see this attitude, but it surrounds me everywhere I go. When I
listen to broadcast on the radio or News, and even when I watch my
favorite television series. Once while listening to the news I heard
President Bush comment, that he was well aware that our soldiers were
making a great sacrifice, but that they were all volunteers.
I understand that the men and women who are risking their lives and
dying are doing so voluntarily but I worry that our government and some
of the citizens in this country are abusing them just because they do
so. These men and women are the most patriotic of Americans and I fear
they are being sacrificed to willingly and readily. Maybe we were
attacked first, and maybe the war is a just cause, but if so, is not the
duty of every American to sacrifice equally. Is it not everyone’s cause?
If the Presidents or the congressional representatives and Senators’
sons were among their ranks marching off to war, would they be so eager
to send them into harms way? If the people at the local pub knew that
their children might be the next to go, would they still cheer it on as
if it was the World Series or the Super bowl? If the chairperson of the
board in major Industries sons and daughters were serving along side
yours, would they be so willing or ready to outsource your jobs? If the
young men and women of this country had to perform at least two years of
national service, would they be more appreciative of the benefits of
being an American? Would they have more patriotism and maturity, and
vote more readily if they were required to perform two years of national
service of some kind?
I believe that the moral of our service members would be dramatic
because they would not as, they now are, be required to perform repeated
tours away from their homes, and loved ones. That alone would improve
moral and make them feel more appreciated. We would also have more
resources available for natural disasters like hurricane Katrina, and
the many wildfires mudslides, and tornados that we have each year. We
would be more able to patrol our borders, and inspect shipments at our
ports, and we would create more pride in the sacrifices that our brave
men and women to our country’s freedom, because we would all be making
them. As a veteran I often, ask my self these questions and many more,
and ponder these possibilities, and this is why I believe we should
reinstate the draft.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:01 PM
I think I did that right!

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:12 PM
I'd say that you did that right. You get a point across without any
problem whatsoever. I agree with what you say about the attitudes of
people today about the conflicts in the Iraq / Afghanistan.
The media 'war' started with Vietnam though and look at what the media
did there. Demoralized civilian and military alike while reporting from
hotel rooms and bars. The difference now being that (with Canadian
reporters / Forces at least) the media actually travel with the troops
and thus give a better perspective of what happening and how the troops
feel.

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:16 PM
Another thing I heard from the era of Vietnam was that not one American
politician lost a son to that war. Whereas a Canadian did.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:20 PM
My Problem is that I was supposed to have a debate, and now I don't
believe it! I guess I will just concede!

karmafury's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:23 PM
You're not the one to concede I am. You put your arguement there, I read
it and agree. Therefore you win. I bow to you.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 11/29/06 01:26 PM
Yeah, but I've changed my stand! 180 degrees! I let you read my reply to
myself in Part 2, Yet to be typed!

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