Community > Politics, Current News & Events

Topic: Welfare Tab for Children of Illegal Immigrants Estimated at
Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 01/21/11 12:57 PM
I've thought for a bit. The kids are better off here than in the war zone of Mexico. Personally I would rather help them have a better life rather than die as a teenager. They can come here the right way then.

Nyteplay Joined Thu 04/01/10 Posts: 37	Fri 01/21/11 12:57 PM
The food stamp program is admimistered and overseen by the USDA which means federal money. Every state also receives educational funds from the federal government It would stand to reason that in some way the federal government is supporting and funding illegal immigration knowingly or not While the children who were born here have citzenship, the parents do not and are subject to deportation under the law. The true costs for illegal immigration cannot be tallied and estimations are based on variable data.

Nyteplay Joined Thu 04/01/10 Posts: 37	Fri 01/21/11 01:34 PM
INS,politcal asylum or amnesty? It seems to me the kids are not the issue here since they have US citzenship The problem of illegal immigration would remain unchanged.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Fri 01/21/11 04:08 PM
California has the right to use their state taxes on anything they want. No they don't. The method of spending is outlined in the state constitution. See here-http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const-toc.html On top of that, voter referendums can put even more limits on what the State/local governments can do.

thinkingaboutit09 Joined Fri 01/02/09 Posts: 1370	Fri 01/21/11 05:14 PM
Just another scam.....Another waste of services! The list goes on and on and on and on! Do not vote for the tax hike in june if they have a special election! Make the politicians learn to spend within our means and stop borrowing! They sweep all these statistics under the rug with debt! We need the state to go broke and the people to see the truth! A bailout only prolong's the problem!

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 01/21/11 05:22 PM
I've thought for a bit. The kids are better off here than in the war zone of Mexico. Personally I would rather help them have a better life rather than die as a teenager. They can come here the legal/right way then. fixed it for ya..

thinkingaboutit09 Joined Fri 01/02/09 Posts: 1370	Fri 01/21/11 05:32 PM Edited by thinkingaboutit09 on Fri 01/21/11 05:33 PM
Another thing, these stats are almost impossible to get from the welfare rolls so be very suspicious of someone who states stats like this. I was born and raised in california and live in california now! I am a conservative that loves the state of his birth and hates the politics! Now to your quote and other quote in this post! First off California received 100 plus million in federal money so all american taxpayers have a say as long as california is sucking off the fed! Second of all you are absolutely right we can't get the real budget numbers! The democrats successfully "with state controller and state legislature" hid the budget numbers during arnold's governership after many attempts and fight's within the courts! We do have some numbers and with the use of algebra we can formulate an estimate on actual costs. Some costs are hidden within the numbers and we can speculate on those with some critical thinking. The bottom line is California had a 90 billion dollar budget of which 56% of that went to education "The worst results per dollar in world history for education". The bottom line is democrats have been running this state for 40 years and my state is proof that democrat legislation does not work! The most successful state in the union broke and asking for handouts from idaho? Come on people wake up and smell the coffee! The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank!

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 01/21/11 05:47 PM
Another thing, these stats are almost impossible to get from the welfare rolls so be very suspicious of someone who states stats like this. I was born and raised in california and live in california now! I am a conservative that loves the state of his birth and hates the politics! Now to your quote and other quote in this post! First off California received 100 plus million in federal money so all american taxpayers have a say as long as california is sucking off the fed! Second of all you are absolutely right we can't get the real budget numbers! The democrats successfully "with state controller and state legislature" hid the budget numbers during arnold's governership after many attempts and fight's within the courts! We do have some numbers and with the use of algebra we can formulate an estimate on actual costs. Some costs are hidden within the numbers and we can speculate on those with some critical thinking. The bottom line is California had a 90 billion dollar budget of which 56% of that went to education "The worst results per dollar in world history for education". The bottom line is democrats have been running this state for 40 years and my state is proof that democrat legislation does not work! The most successful state in the union broke and asking for handouts from idaho? Come on people wake up and smell the coffee! The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank!

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 01/21/11 06:01 PM
California has the right to use their state taxes on anything they want. No they don't. The method of spending is outlined in the state constitution. See here-http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const-toc.html On top of that, voter referendums can put even more limits on what the State/local governments can do. LOL So what is it? More freedom for the states to do what they want or less and more federal control?

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 01/21/11 06:04 PM
Another thing, these stats are almost impossible to get from the welfare rolls so be very suspicious of someone who states stats like this. I was born and raised in california and live in california now! I am a conservative that loves the state of his birth and hates the politics! Now to your quote and other quote in this post! First off California received 100 plus million in federal money so all american taxpayers have a say as long as california is sucking off the fed! Second of all you are absolutely right we can't get the real budget numbers! The democrats successfully "with state controller and state legislature" hid the budget numbers during arnold's governership after many attempts and fight's within the courts! We do have some numbers and with the use of algebra we can formulate an estimate on actual costs. Some costs are hidden within the numbers and we can speculate on those with some critical thinking. The bottom line is California had a 90 billion dollar budget of which 56% of that went to education "The worst results per dollar in world history for education". The bottom line is democrats have been running this state for 40 years and my state is proof that democrat legislation does not work! The most successful state in the union broke and asking for handouts from idaho? Come on people wake up and smell the coffee! The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank! Your opinion and not factual. Sorry.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 01/21/11 06:07 PM
INS,politcal asylum or amnesty? It seems to me the kids are not the issue here since they have US citzenship The problem of illegal immigration would remain unchanged. You are right. But it would stop the hatemongerers from having little babies to hate on so that won't work for them it seems.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Fri 01/21/11 06:08 PM
The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank! Not really. I live in a very conservative state (sadly), and there's a huge load of debt here. The second most debt-ridden state is Alaska-a very red state. (http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/moneyinvesting/credit/debt/most-debt-ridden-states-america)

thinkingaboutit09 Joined Fri 01/02/09 Posts: 1370	Fri 01/21/11 06:20 PM
Another thing, these stats are almost impossible to get from the welfare rolls so be very suspicious of someone who states stats like this. I was born and raised in california and live in california now! I am a conservative that loves the state of his birth and hates the politics! Now to your quote and other quote in this post! First off California received 100 plus million in federal money so all american taxpayers have a say as long as california is sucking off the fed! Second of all you are absolutely right we can't get the real budget numbers! The democrats successfully "with state controller and state legislature" hid the budget numbers during arnold's governership after many attempts and fight's within the courts! We do have some numbers and with the use of algebra we can formulate an estimate on actual costs. Some costs are hidden within the numbers and we can speculate on those with some critical thinking. The bottom line is California had a 90 billion dollar budget of which 56% of that went to education "The worst results per dollar in world history for education". The bottom line is democrats have been running this state for 40 years and my state is proof that democrat legislation does not work! The most successful state in the union broke and asking for handouts from idaho? Come on people wake up and smell the coffee! The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank! Your opinion and not factual. Sorry. Well your right it is my opinion but it is also based upon fact! Does 90 billion represent the true numbers for california? NO! but it is our projected tax revenue. Would you like to parse on other issues? FINE! The bottom line is this State is a Democrat state ran by democrats and has been for years! It at one time had the 6th largest economy in the world and they ran it into the ground! But I think if I told you this text was black you would say it is not it's gray. right? So no point right? We can just disagree. But I do have one last question. Do results matter? I mean if we saved all the starving children of the world and then our country failed and soon our children where starving would it matter to you? Cause trust me the problems in Mexico are not money they are corruption! So letting and endless stream of people crossing the border without solving the problem in mexico is just nuts! I'm all for welfare, social services, helping the poor and needy. But not the lazy! Not the crooks and drug addicts! Not people from other countries that don't swear allegance to our country and denounce their own! Not to people that have not paid into the tax system as we have! Not when our families struggle and scrape while the mexican government laughs in our face!

thinkingaboutit09 Joined Fri 01/02/09 Posts: 1370	Fri 01/21/11 06:24 PM
The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank! Not really. I live in a very conservative state (sadly), and there's a huge load of debt here. The second most debt-ridden state is Alaska-a very red state. (http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/moneyinvesting/credit/debt/most-debt-ridden-states-america) Really? I challenge this! Very misleading! Are you an honest person? when i debunk this will you concede? If i show facts to the contrary of economic circumstances throughout the country will you admit the truth or am i wasting my time?

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 01/21/11 06:25 PM
Another thing, these stats are almost impossible to get from the welfare rolls so be very suspicious of someone who states stats like this. I was born and raised in california and live in california now! I am a conservative that loves the state of his birth and hates the politics! Now to your quote and other quote in this post! First off California received 100 plus million in federal money so all american taxpayers have a say as long as california is sucking off the fed! Second of all you are absolutely right we can't get the real budget numbers! The democrats successfully "with state controller and state legislature" hid the budget numbers during arnold's governership after many attempts and fight's within the courts! We do have some numbers and with the use of algebra we can formulate an estimate on actual costs. Some costs are hidden within the numbers and we can speculate on those with some critical thinking. The bottom line is California had a 90 billion dollar budget of which 56% of that went to education "The worst results per dollar in world history for education". The bottom line is democrats have been running this state for 40 years and my state is proof that democrat legislation does not work! The most successful state in the union broke and asking for handouts from idaho? Come on people wake up and smell the coffee! The states doing well right now are conservative states and liberal states are in the tank! Your opinion and not factual. Sorry. Well your right it is my opinion but it is also based upon fact! Does 90 billion represent the true numbers for california? NO! but it is our projected tax revenue. Would you like to parse on other issues? FINE! The bottom line is this State is a Democrat state ran by democrats and has been for years! It at one time had the 6th largest economy in the world and they ran it into the ground! But I think if I told you this text was black you would say it is not it's gray. right? So no point right? We can just disagree. But I do have one last question. Do results matter? I mean if we saved all the starving children of the world and then our country failed and soon our children where starving would it matter to you? Cause trust me the problems in Mexico are not money they are corruption! So letting and endless stream of people crossing the border without solving the problem in mexico is just nuts! I'm all for welfare, social services, helping the poor and needy. But not the lazy! Not the crooks and drug addicts! Not people from other countries that don't swear allegance to our country and denounce their own! Not to people that have not paid into the tax system as we have! Not when our families struggle and scrape while the mexican government laughs in our face!

markecephus Joined Sun 10/07/07 Posts: 13831	Fri 01/21/11 07:33 PM
Once again, guys. I realize this topic is something you all feel strongly about. Please do discuss the topic, without the personal arguments. Thanks, Mark

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Fri 01/21/11 07:37 PM
I've thought for a bit. The kids are better off here than in the war zone of Mexico. Personally I would rather help them have a better life rather than die as a teenager. They can come here the right way then. Birth is the wrong way?

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Fri 01/21/11 07:39 PM
I've thought for a bit. The kids are better off here than in the war zone of Mexico. Personally I would rather help them have a better life rather than die as a teenager. How do you know Mexico is a war zone? Have you been there and seen it? Or is that what you hear on MSM? MSM pumps up to do at least two things. Satisfy a political agenda and ratings. They have just as much opportunity here to get wasted by gang or drug related violence as the do there. Ummm there is a serious drug war going on down there and has even spilled over into the US. I would almost bet that the government down there could collapse because of it. I am 1 mile from an International Bridge. It is one busy port. Haven't heard any local (Spanish from Mexico), news talking about violence in Mexico. If, there was a BIG drug war going on, don't ya' think the military or Nation Guard would have spotted some of it? We are the only ones who believes there's drug war going on.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Fri 01/21/11 08:09 PM
Just look at what Todd Gilbert is doing in PA. All states should follow his lead!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sat 01/22/11 01:25 PM
If the noncompliant employers weren't hiring the illegal criminal aliens, they wouldn't come. You cant blame one party or another for this you can only blame those that hire them for cheap labor.