Topic: Obama Leaves God out of Thanksgiving Speech
Jenknee's photo
Sat 11/26/11 10:40 PM




I have heard of some Christian denominations who actually teach their congregation not to associate with anyone except people of the same faith



Yes, sadly it happens a lot. And, even if it's not stated out loud, it is something that is generally expected in many Christian churches. Not all, obviously. I was part of a traditional Catholic Church for some years and associating with non-traditional Catholics is strongly discouraged. This is because the non-Christians could sway you away from your beliefs.

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It is sad to see how many people have a very wrong view of Christians and/or Catholics. I have never once in my life heard, or was it EVER IMPLIED, to choose to not associate with someone because of their beliefs. We are all God's children regardless of what you may believe.

I have friends and family who follow very different beliefs or no beliefs at all. I respect their choice and they respect mine. I have learned after having a relationship with an athiest, that in the future, I would like to share some Christian beliefs with whoever I may end up with.

msharmony's photo
Sat 11/26/11 10:44 PM
I would likewise not wish to be 'unevenly yoked' in a partnership

but I do enjoy a diverse group of friends, colleagues, acquaintances and family who are all special in their own ways

I have a fairly strict segment of jehovah witness in my family which does strongly urge their members to not congregate with others outside the faith unless the intent is to 'teach'

but then other jehovah witnesses I study the bible with would gladly have me to dinner or breakfast without ulterior motive at all,,,so the extremes exist everywhere

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Sat 11/26/11 10:58 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 11/26/11 10:58 PM

I would likewise not wish to be 'unevenly yoked' in a partnership

but I do enjoy a diverse group of friends, colleagues, acquaintances and family who are all special in their own ways

I have a fairly strict segment of jehovah witness in my family which does strongly urge their members to not congregate with others outside the faith unless the intent is to 'teach'

but then other jehovah witnesses I study the bible with would gladly have me to dinner or breakfast without ulterior motive at all,,,so the extremes exist everywhere



I've never known or met a Jehovah witness who want to be friends outside of trying to convert me.

Having you over to dinner or breakfast.... I would guess is a prelude to .... talking about their religion and trying to convert you.

You/they will never get too friendly without that outcome.


msharmony's photo
Sat 11/26/11 11:32 PM


I would likewise not wish to be 'unevenly yoked' in a partnership

but I do enjoy a diverse group of friends, colleagues, acquaintances and family who are all special in their own ways

I have a fairly strict segment of jehovah witness in my family which does strongly urge their members to not congregate with others outside the faith unless the intent is to 'teach'

but then other jehovah witnesses I study the bible with would gladly have me to dinner or breakfast without ulterior motive at all,,,so the extremes exist everywhere



I've never known or met a Jehovah witness who want to be friends outside of trying to convert me.

Having you over to dinner or breakfast.... I would guess is a prelude to .... talking about their religion and trying to convert you.

You/they will never get too friendly without that outcome.




I think people can be civil and friendly without other motives, regardless of religious faith, so long as they find some common ground


ours was belief in one God, one Creator and our interest in the bible,,,

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Sat 11/26/11 11:41 PM



I would likewise not wish to be 'unevenly yoked' in a partnership

but I do enjoy a diverse group of friends, colleagues, acquaintances and family who are all special in their own ways

I have a fairly strict segment of jehovah witness in my family which does strongly urge their members to not congregate with others outside the faith unless the intent is to 'teach'

but then other jehovah witnesses I study the bible with would gladly have me to dinner or breakfast without ulterior motive at all,,,so the extremes exist everywhere



I've never known or met a Jehovah witness who want to be friends outside of trying to convert me.

Having you over to dinner or breakfast.... I would guess is a prelude to .... talking about their religion and trying to convert you.

You/they will never get too friendly without that outcome.




I think people can be civil and friendly without other motives, regardless of religious faith, so long as they find some common ground


ours was belief in one God, one Creator and our interest in the bible,,,


Civil and friendly yes. Close friends, probably not. Not Jehovah witnesses with non-Jehovah witnesses.





KerryO's photo
Sun 11/27/11 03:53 AM
Oh look-- the American Pharisees are using religion to drum up discontent again. WWJD.


-Kerry O.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/27/11 04:47 AM
Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!

no photo
Sun 11/27/11 06:25 AM

Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion".

Here are some homonymns for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.








Ruth34611's photo
Sun 11/27/11 07:16 AM


It is sad to see how many people have a very wrong view of Christians and/or Catholics.



I am Catholic. I have been Christian most of my life. I was raised by a Presbyterian minister. I have been a part of many, many churches. Catholic, Episcopalian, Presybeterian and non-denominational (Bible based). And, I did say that not all churches do this. However, I stand by my statement that many do.

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Sun 11/27/11 08:15 AM


Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion"*.

Here are some homonymns for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.




*typo: discretion




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Sun 11/27/11 08:29 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 11/27/11 08:29 AM



It is sad to see how many people have a very wrong view of Christians and/or Catholics.



I am Catholic. I have been Christian most of my life. I was raised by a Presbyterian minister. I have been a part of many, many churches. Catholic, Episcopalian, Presybeterian and non-denominational (Bible based). And, I did say that not all churches do this. However, I stand by my statement that many do.



My family have all been Christian. It's not as if I have an impression of Christians from the outside looking in. I have heard from the horses mouth.

Seven different Christian Churches in my little town. They all disagree on petty things. If there were nothing but Christians in the entire world, there would still be wars as they argue and fight over petty details.


Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/27/11 09:14 AM


Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion".

Here are some homonymns for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.








actually the Chaos started when people tried to make the Founding Fathers private Opinions a part of the Constitution!

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Sun 11/27/11 09:34 AM
Edited by CeriseRose on Sun 11/27/11 09:38 AM



Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion".

Here are some [synonyms] for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.








actually the Chaos started when people tried to make the Founding Fathers private Opinions a part of the Constitution!


Nah, it was then and is today the dissenters
who challenge sound standards.
Originally small groups of non-conformists.



Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/27/11 09:44 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 11/27/11 10:41 AM




Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion".

Here are some [synonyms] for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.








actually the Chaos started when people tried to make the Founding Fathers private Opinions a part of the Constitution!


Nah, it was then and is today the dissenters
who challenge sound standards.
Originally small groups of non-conformists.



actually under the Constitution Obama wasn't even obliged to bring up God!
If he does,its called Ceremonial Religion!

no photo
Sun 11/27/11 09:50 AM





I have heard of some Christian denominations who actually teach their congregation not to associate with anyone except people of the same faith



Yes, sadly it happens a lot. And, even if it's not stated out loud, it is something that is generally expected in many Christian churches. Not all, obviously. I was part of a traditional Catholic Church for some years and associating with non-traditional Catholics is strongly discouraged. This is because the non-Christians could sway you away from your beliefs.

offtopic


It is sad to see how many people have a very wrong view of Christians and/or Catholics. I have never once in my life heard, or was it EVER IMPLIED, to choose to not associate with someone because of their beliefs. We are all God's children regardless of what you may believe.

I have friends and family who follow very different beliefs or no beliefs at all. I respect their choice and they respect mine. I have learned after having a relationship with an athiest, that in the future, I would like to share some Christian beliefs with whoever I may end up with.


Wasn't it you that said earlier in the thread that you weren't on the same team because you are christian? And then you wonder why people have the wrong view of you...

Jenknee's photo
Sun 11/27/11 10:00 AM






I have heard of some Christian denominations who actually teach their congregation not to associate with anyone except people of the same faith



Yes, sadly it happens a lot. And, even if it's not stated out loud, it is something that is generally expected in many Christian churches. Not all, obviously. I was part of a traditional Catholic Church for some years and associating with non-traditional Catholics is strongly discouraged. This is because the non-Christians could sway you away from your beliefs.

offtopic


It is sad to see how many people have a very wrong view of Christians and/or Catholics. I have never once in my life heard, or was it EVER IMPLIED, to choose to not associate with someone because of their beliefs. We are all God's children regardless of what you may believe.

I have friends and family who follow very different beliefs or no beliefs at all. I respect their choice and they respect mine. I have learned after having a relationship with an athiest, that in the future, I would like to share some Christian beliefs with whoever I may end up with.


Wasn't it you that said earlier in the thread that you weren't on the same team because you are christian? And then you wonder why people have the wrong view of you...


I don't give a rat's behind what view you/others have of me alone. I am not here to appease you. What I was referring to was Christians as a group and how someone views the group as a whole.

After she stated we were on thesame team, I did type that no, we are not on the same team, it is just a fact, take it any way you want. She is welcomed to join the team any time she wants.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 11/27/11 10:22 AM
It doesn't matter what religion, who they pray to....for any of our presidents! It has no bearing once in office. Some play the 'god card' but at the end of the day...they are ALL puppets!
ALL of them
Their politicians...they think their gods anyway, praying to and worshiping themselves.

no photo
Sun 11/27/11 11:05 AM





Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion".

Here are some [synonyms] for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.








actually the Chaos started when people tried to make the Founding Fathers private Opinions a part of the Constitution!


Nah, it was then and is today the dissenters
who challenge sound standards.
Originally small groups of non-conformists.



actually under the Constitution Obama wasn't even obliged to bring up God!
If he does,its called Ceremonial Religion!




There are ways that our Nation has been snubbed besides him not giving verbal thanks to God.

Where's the US protocol?

Anyone have photos of "our" Commander saluting the flag? Or giving it notability?


United States Code Flag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

And yet other countries' protocol is performed by "our" Commander?

Where is the honor and unwaivering respect for the USA.


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/27/11 11:38 AM






Bad bad Obama!
But for once he might have been right,since nowhere in the Constitution is a mention about "Them Christian United States Of America"!

Interesting that those Signers of the Constitution never enshrined their Private Opinions of Religion into the Bill!
Maybe they knew what contentious Articles they would become!


Yes, that's called "descretion".

Here are some [synonyms] for that word:

carefulness, prudence, caution, canniness,
maturity, responsibility, moderation, foresight,
judgment, diplomacy, tact, acumen, discrimination

You can look at today's society
and see the chaos enjoined upon us
from the lack of it.








actually the Chaos started when people tried to make the Founding Fathers private Opinions a part of the Constitution!


Nah, it was then and is today the dissenters
who challenge sound standards.
Originally small groups of non-conformists.



actually under the Constitution Obama wasn't even obliged to bring up God!
If he does,its called Ceremonial Religion!




There are ways that our Nation has been snubbed besides him not giving verbal thanks to God.

Where's the US protocol?

Anyone have photos of "our" Commander saluting the flag? Or giving it notability?


United States Code Flag

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

And yet other countries' protocol is performed by "our" Commander?

Where is the honor and unwaivering respect for the USA.





which part of that code do you imagine the president doesnt uphold?

no photo
Sun 11/27/11 11:43 AM
Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.