Topic: Obama Leaves God out of Thanksgiving Speech
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Sun 11/27/11 11:47 AM
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-arlington-salute.htm

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/lefthand.asp


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/27/11 11:49 AM

Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesnt do so.

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Sun 11/27/11 12:20 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 11/27/11 12:21 PM


Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesnt do so.



Just more lies and unsupported rumors from the rumor mill.

Thanks for the links above clearing that up!






Optomistic69's photo
Sun 11/27/11 12:32 PM
The World is in Crisis and we are discussing the Word God being left out of a speech...

I cant't help wondering if this is the same God we were told would provide...just keep the faith....

When I say we I mean Catholics who were told to have lots of children and GOD will provide.

Flags and Religion.........abolish the lot

You Cannot Eat A Flag

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Sun 11/27/11 12:58 PM


Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!

no photo
Sun 11/27/11 01:14 PM

The World is in Crisis and we are discussing the Word God being left out of a speech...

I cant't help wondering if this is the same God we were told would provide...just keep the faith....

When I say we I mean Catholics who were told to have lots of children and GOD will provide.

Flags and Religion.........abolish the lot

You Cannot Eat A Flag


drinker

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Sun 11/27/11 01:15 PM



Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!


I doubt that.

This is a free country. (Or so I'm told.)


msharmony's photo
Sun 11/27/11 02:25 PM




Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!


I doubt that.

This is a free country. (Or so I'm told.)





freedom is not free

especially when speaking of employment, the employer sets certain limits on our 'freedom'

mightymoe's photo
Sun 11/27/11 03:46 PM
well, if he can't praise allah, he won't praise god...

Dragoness's photo
Sun 11/27/11 04:00 PM


http://news.yahoo.com/obama-leaves-god-thanksgiving-speech-riles-critics-173023786.html

Critics of President Obama felt little holiday cheer after the president did not thank God in his Thanksgiving-themed weekly Internet address. They immediately took to Twitter and the Internet to voice anger and disbelief.

"Holy cow! Is that one screwed up or what?" columnist Sherman Frederick of the Las Vegas Review-Journal wrote in a Thanksgiving-morning blog post.

"Somebody ought to remind Obama (and his speechwriter) that when Americans sit down around a meal today and give thanks, they give thanks to God."

Over on the website of Fox News Radio, radio host Todd Starnes also took issue.

"His remarks were void of any religious references, although Thanksgiving is a holiday traditionally steeped in giving thanks and praise to God," Starnes wrote.

"The president said his family was 'reflecting on how truly lucky we truly are,'" Starnes said. "For many Americans, though, Thanksgiving is a time to reflect on how blessed and thankful they are."

The popular website of London's Daily Mail has taken the issue global, with a story under the headline "What a Turkey! Outrage as Obama Leaves God Out of His Thanksgiving Address."

Obama mentioned God once in a closing "God bless you," to Americans watching the Internet address. However, the President explicitly thanked God earlier in the week in his written Thanksgiving proclamation, which called the holiday "one of our nation's oldest and most cherished traditions," and an occasion that "brings us closer to our loved ones and invites us to reflect on the blessings that enrich our lives."

"As we gather in our communities and in our homes, around the table or near the hearth, we give thanks to each other and to God for the many kindnesses and comforts that grace our lives. Let us pause to recount the simple gifts that sustain us, and resolve to pay them forward in the year to come," Obama wrote.

Ironically, the attacks on Obama came as the Republican White House hopefuls suspended their criticism of the president on Thursday in favor of a unified message of thanks to U.S. service members and their families.

Three of the Republican presidential candidates – Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum – issued Thanksgiving statements that omitted any references to God. Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain and Rick Perry mentioned God in their statements.

Obama, like his predecessors, records an address each week that focuses on an issue the White House wants to spotlight. The messages are typically posted on the Internet at the start of the weekend, but this week's address – with its Thanksgiving theme – was issued before the holiday.

In this week's address, delivered from the White House, Obama said, "We are especially grateful for the men and women who defend our country overseas," and he said, "We're also grateful for the Americans taking time from their holiday to serve in soup kitchens and shelters."

He acknowledged this Thanksgiving would be "more difficult than most" for many Americans because of the economy, but added, "No matter how tough things are right now, we still give thanks for that most American of blessings, the chance to determine our own destiny."
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Too bad he doesn't leave god out more often.

It really gets on my nerves that he doesn't respect the separation of church and state better.

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Sun 11/27/11 05:58 PM

Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually agree with this. If things like this are demanded, there's not much room left for freedom.

no photo
Sun 11/27/11 06:55 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 11/27/11 06:56 PM





Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!


I doubt that.

This is a free country. (Or so I'm told.)





freedom is not free

especially when speaking of employment, the employer sets certain limits on our 'freedom'


Of course it is. Freedom is free unless you live in a place where slavery is the norm and oppressors are allowed to oppress, and people are conditioned to think they have to sacrifice their lives for the illusion of freedom.

Which we do.

Therefore we are not really free if we have to keep paying for it with our lives.

We are slaves. We are like the frightened village people who have to sacrifice a virgin to the dragon to save our crops.

Kill the red dragon.








Ladylid2012's photo
Sun 11/27/11 06:59 PM

well, if he can't praise allah, he won't praise god...


um...same thing

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Sun 11/27/11 07:26 PM


well, if he can't praise allah, he won't praise god...


um...same thing



laugh laugh laugh

msharmony's photo
Sun 11/27/11 07:37 PM






Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!


I doubt that.

This is a free country. (Or so I'm told.)





freedom is not free

especially when speaking of employment, the employer sets certain limits on our 'freedom'


Of course it is. Freedom is free unless you live in a place where slavery is the norm and oppressors are allowed to oppress, and people are conditioned to think they have to sacrifice their lives for the illusion of freedom.

Which we do.

Therefore we are not really free if we have to keep paying for it with our lives.

We are slaves. We are like the frightened village people who have to sacrifice a virgin to the dragon to save our crops.

Kill the red dragon.










absolute freedom is absence of any rules,, which is chaos,, and much less desirable,, to me at least

we dont have total freedom nor should we because we are too many living too closely and too connected together, we impact each other too much to all live in complete freedom

rules are required to maintain some order and rules are the opposite of freedom, employers have rules, private property owners can enforce rules, offices, schools, malls,,,all have rules

to keep some people from letting their 'freedom' infringe upon the freedom of others,,,and to set some type of uniformity in either purpose or goal

the office of president has certain rules , and rules of conduct, as well, like any other position of employment

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 11/27/11 07:54 PM

well, if he can't praise allah, he won't praise god...

Are they not both one and the same?

Babel get behind me.

many names, One reality.

Are you then saying that those who choose to call him Allah can not participate in a Founding Tradition of the United States of America.

Bah...

We Hold these Truths to be Self Evident...

Many Americans speak the Word Allah (when they speak of God) and are still AMERICANs.

OK ... Rant over.

no photo
Mon 11/28/11 01:21 AM


Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesnt do so.



What we witnessing is inconsistency and possibly resistance.

no photo
Mon 11/28/11 02:27 AM







Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!


I doubt that.

This is a free country. (Or so I'm told.)





freedom is not free

especially when speaking of employment, the employer sets certain limits on our 'freedom'


Of course it is. Freedom is free unless you live in a place where slavery is the norm and oppressors are allowed to oppress, and people are conditioned to think they have to sacrifice their lives for the illusion of freedom.

Which we do.

Therefore we are not really free if we have to keep paying for it with our lives.

We are slaves. We are like the frightened village people who have to sacrifice a virgin to the dragon to save our crops.

Kill the red dragon.










absolute freedom is absence of any rules,, which is chaos,, and much less desirable,, to me at least

we dont have total freedom nor should we because we are too many living too closely and too connected together, we impact each other too much to all live in complete freedom

rules are required to maintain some order and rules are the opposite of freedom, employers have rules, private property owners can enforce rules, offices, schools, malls,,,all have rules

to keep some people from letting their 'freedom' infringe upon the freedom of others,,,and to set some type of uniformity in either purpose or goal

the office of president has certain rules , and rules of conduct, as well, like any other position of employment



I agree with all you are saying here,

except for "rules being the opposite of freedom."

The fact is rules and laws are necessary

to support reasonable freedom;

To encourage a better way.

Certain freedoms are subject to terrible abuse.

Many freedoms given are sadly irrevocable.






msharmony's photo
Mon 11/28/11 06:41 AM



Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesnt do so.



What we witnessing is inconsistency and possibly resistance.


witnessing where?

msharmony's photo
Mon 11/28/11 06:42 AM








Anytime a country demands that people solute their flag, then freedom is lost.


I actually understand the professionalism of a us president saluting during processionals or other 'military' or 'official' type events where a pledge is said or a salute is requested of the crowd.

I just fail to see the evidence that he doesn't do so.
actually he is obliged to salute,since he is the CIC!


I doubt that.

This is a free country. (Or so I'm told.)





freedom is not free

especially when speaking of employment, the employer sets certain limits on our 'freedom'


Of course it is. Freedom is free unless you live in a place where slavery is the norm and oppressors are allowed to oppress, and people are conditioned to think they have to sacrifice their lives for the illusion of freedom.

Which we do.

Therefore we are not really free if we have to keep paying for it with our lives.

We are slaves. We are like the frightened village people who have to sacrifice a virgin to the dragon to save our crops.

Kill the red dragon.










absolute freedom is absence of any rules,, which is chaos,, and much less desirable,, to me at least

we dont have total freedom nor should we because we are too many living too closely and too connected together, we impact each other too much to all live in complete freedom

rules are required to maintain some order and rules are the opposite of freedom, employers have rules, private property owners can enforce rules, offices, schools, malls,,,all have rules

to keep some people from letting their 'freedom' infringe upon the freedom of others,,,and to set some type of uniformity in either purpose or goal

the office of president has certain rules , and rules of conduct, as well, like any other position of employment



I agree with all you are saying here,

except for "rules being the opposite of freedom."

The fact is rules and laws are necessary

to support reasonable freedom;

To encourage a better way.

Certain freedoms are subject to terrible abuse.

Many freedoms given are sadly irrevocable.









I agree rules are necessary. But freedom is the absence of restrictions.

absolute freedom is definitely an absence of restrictions,,,which I consider to be rules,,,