Topic: Feminism
Hikerjohn's photo
Fri 11/02/12 04:44 AM
Edited by Hikerjohn on Fri 11/02/12 05:15 AM
Audrey,

it is your posts. Do you want a real mans opinion?

Your an amazing young lady. Yes you are great on the eyes, but I am talking about the clear talents you have, the desires you allow us to see and the heart that comes through in your posts. You are genuine to your friends. I can tell. And most certainly a draw to be around.

Are you worth the chase? Absolutely.

Are you catchable? Not sure.


How would the right man know? The bad boy knows how to draw your attention and try and trap you, thats different. And I am pretty certain you have experience this.

I am talking about Mr right seeing you in starbucks and saying, "I want to get to know this gal". Are you catchable? Are you available for a permanent relationship? Do you know what you are willing to offer to that relationship? He is going to make great sacrifices. Are you willing to give the sacrifices that come with being in a committed relationship? Can he see that he can trust you and that you are going to stay when things get tough? Cause they are going to get tough.

A real man is going to be looking for those signs. not your words or the flip of your hair but he is the one looking deep in your eyes to see the real you. Real men are attracted to you physically but are not going to chase you to have a piece of it. Thats what bad boys do. They will chase you for your character. And appreciate you physically too. Even years later when that fades away.

When we find that girl who wants that kind of relationship, A real man is there to stay. thats the real chase. Very few seem to be into the real chase anymore. But there are still plenty. But you have to be offering the real bait for a real man.

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Fri 11/02/12 05:16 AM
Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 11/02/12 06:02 AM


Neither do I. Independence in a woman is great as long as you get to help.


Cool. You can start by taking out the trash! laugh


I took out the trash once. She ended up becoming my ex-wife.



Her next husband wasn't so lucky. She shot him. (True story)

Hikerjohn's photo
Fri 11/02/12 06:05 AM



Neither do I. Independence in a woman is great as long as you get to help.


Cool. You can start by taking out the trash! laugh


I took out the trash once. She ended up becoming my ex-wife.



Her next husband wasn't so lucky. She shot him. (True story)


Someone asked me if I thought my x wife missed me. Not possible. I don't get within rifle range to her.

GreenEyes48's photo
Fri 11/02/12 06:55 AM

Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"

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Fri 11/02/12 07:16 AM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Fri 11/02/12 07:25 AM
I can't stand hardcore feminism... It's always about proving a point, an eternal competition, Men VS Women in their minds. I'm quite competitive in nature, I'm all for independence but I refuse to compete with my loved ones. How ridiculous!

(taps 3 times)


They win! Pffft. (walks away)

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Fri 11/02/12 07:22 AM


Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

GreenEyes48's photo
Fri 11/02/12 11:21 AM



Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"

GreenEyes48's photo
Fri 11/02/12 11:21 AM



Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"

navygirl's photo
Fri 11/02/12 11:39 AM

Is this the fundamental reason why some men like to chase and women enjoy playing hard to get in return? Seems to be a lot of the reason a man feels he has to work hard to get "the prize." Whatever happened to passion in relationships anymore? Has this drained out because women stopped being "women" or rather "self sufficient" and can make their own decisions, their own money, have a choice in a guy? I was thinking this could explain a lot of what is really going with broken relationships lately. Today's woman is very different from what she was in the 20s on to about the late 60s. Seems like it could be a factor in the demise in a lot of relationships.

Guys, are you bothered by a feminist?


Feminism is strictly about being able to get the same jobs as men and earn the same pay. Why people see it as a competition between men and women really baffles me? I am a feminist but that doesn't mean I am not feminine or less of a woman or that I lack compassion. Being self sufficient means you are adult enough to take care of yourself and everyone should be able to in case something should happen to your partner. Being independent has nothing to do with passion in a relationship. Biggest problem in a relationship and always will be is communication.

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Fri 11/02/12 11:53 AM




Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....

navygirl's photo
Fri 11/02/12 11:56 AM
Edited by navygirl on Fri 11/02/12 11:56 AM





Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.

SpicyExcel's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:03 PM






Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity.

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Fri 11/02/12 12:08 PM






Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


I am sure you did Navygirl.....Too often men feel threatened when women prove they can transition into male dominated roles effectively...It's a shame really...

navygirl's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:09 PM
Edited by navygirl on Fri 11/02/12 12:12 PM







Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity.


You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. They also would confide in me when they had problems either dating or with their wives. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out.

navygirl's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:11 PM







Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


I am sure you did Navygirl.....Too often men feel threatened when women prove they can transition into male dominated roles effectively...It's a shame really...


As I explained to the other poster; these men initially felt threatened but as we worked together as a team; they realized I was simply there to do a job and not make them look bad or hurt their ego in any way.

SpicyExcel's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:12 PM








Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity.


You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out.


Are you speaking from experience or what you know.

navygirl's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:14 PM









Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity.


You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out.


Are you speaking from experience or what you know.


Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything.

SpicyExcel's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:16 PM










Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity.


You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out.


Are you speaking from experience or what you know.


Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything.


And women say they understand MEN.

navygirl's photo
Fri 11/02/12 12:17 PM











Since when did independent/independence become the definition for feminism?....Feminism is about "defining and establishing" EQUAL RIGHTS for women as they DIRECTLY relate to men's rights socially, politically, and economically!...Independence is the PRICE TAG women pay for this equality, which, FYI, is still not fully achieved...

If men and women are secure within themselves, feminism should only serve to enhance their relationships with each other....whoa
I agree!...Back in the 60's and 70's many women fought for "fair custody rights" for fathers after a divorce. This was an important issue for me...I didn't want to see kids deprived of time with their fathers...And a lot of men supported equal rights and better pay for women...How can we push for positive changes in society (for everyone) if we're bogged down in silly "tit for tat" kind of games? And never bother to look for "common ground?"


Speaking peer to peer, yes, yes, yes!...The game of "tit for tat" is child's play....

I agree with what you wrote about being secure too...A secure man doesn't want or need a "shadow" or a "cheerleader." Or a "little woman" by his side to make him look "tall!"


Yes, so true...I found many of the posts troubling because there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about feminism and HOW and WHY the feminist movement(s) came about...In order to continue to effect positive change, understanding by both men and women is vital...Unfortunately, women are still fighting for equal ground, especially in the workplace and the political arena...This makes it doubly important for our young men and women to have a clear and concise understanding of feminism and how it benefits society as a whole....Women have much to contribute....Their contribution to society should not be limited to that of homemaker, wife, and mother...In fact, time has proven that the traditional household is becoming a luxury most modern families can no longer afford....


This is so true about fighting for equal ground. I had quite the battle with that serving in the military. The men found out that I was quite capable of doing my job without me damaging their male ego or masculinity.


This goes back to the domainance issue. Due you think any man worthy of being in charge would express the fact you damaged their male ego or masculinity.


You see I know for a fact that I didn't damage their ego or masculinity as I took nothing away from them as we daily talked about things like this. I lived with these men day and night so to speak. We had a good rapport and understanding; as well became such good friends that we would lay down our lives for each other. Again this is something we work out as adults and these men are not insecure with themselves. Not something you can accomplish in the civilian world as I have found out.


Are you speaking from experience or what you know.


Actually I am speak from experience by working with these guys. I am still in contact with these guys and they freely will talk to me about anything.


And women say they understand MEN.


Nope; I will never understand men. I can work with them and get along but never understand them. They are way too complicated. I just had a good rapport with my guy friends and as I said the average civilian man doesn't get it.