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Sun 02/09/14 11:38 AM
Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States

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Sun 02/09/14 11:39 AM


see what I mean?

talk about non (income tax) payers

and the image is of thieving 'lazy' people who are 'undeserving' and didn't 'earn it'

lol


so, to answer the question

I was not referring to any of the above,, we cannot guarantee thieves or lazy people will not exist among the poor anymore than that they will not exist amongst the middle or upper class

and if you think income tax is 'stealing', I guess you can thank your founding fathers instead of whinging about the poor






the founding fathers weren't around in 1913..

kinda hard to blame them..


All the founding fathers were long dead by 1913 but guess who was born in that time frame? A little hint, our owners.

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/09/14 11:38 AM


Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


that is for indirect taxes..

income taxes are direct taxes..



don't see the word 'indirect' anywhere in the article,,

how would CONGRESS collect an 'indirect' tax that is 'uniform thoughout the United States'? for the defense and general welfare of the USA

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Sun 02/09/14 11:39 AM


Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


that is for indirect taxes..

income taxes are direct taxes..


Wail! I jes be famed.

Who'd a figgerd?

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Sun 02/09/14 11:41 AM



Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


that is for indirect taxes..

income taxes are direct taxes..



don't see the word 'indirect' anywhere in the article,,

how would CONGRESS collect an 'indirect' tax that is 'uniform thoughout the United States'? for the defense and general welfare of the USA


The nation had few taxes in its early history. From 1791 to 1802, the United States government was supported by internal taxes on distilled spirits, carriages, refined sugar, tobacco and snuff, property sold at auction, corporate bonds, and slaves. The high cost of the War of 1812 brought about the nation's first sales taxes on gold, silverware, jewelry, and watches. In 1817, however, Congress did away with all internal taxes, relying on tariffs on imported goods to provide sufficient funds for running the government.

In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.

The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.

In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.

In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections—to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945.

Read more: History of the Income Tax in the United States | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html#ixzz2sr6tyztu

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Sun 02/09/14 11:44 AM




or as simple as 'stealing'

but, ya know, analogies are what they are,,,,


whether it is stealing or not the tax code and the distribution of revenues are universally considered to be flawed.

that doesn't matter where you sit..



Flawed, how about downright criminal. The founders, after the fiasco with the Articles of Federation, devised a very realistic plan of taxation to support the government by a combination of direct and indirect taxation.

But it wasn't until the hijack of the country by the bankers that the citizens became slaves to those bankers, the income tax, where the banks have the first claim to the fruit of your labors, anywhere from 15% up to 39.6% for 2013.

And to insure you pay, there is the IRS that enforces without due process of law, just brute force.

But it need not be so, the Supreme Court has said so so many times they refuse to even cert new cases. "The 16th Amendment purports no new methods of taxation". You only have to figure out what they said and you can be free.

yep,stop paying Taxes,and see how far you get!
you make sure you have nothing Taxable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You can't stop paying taxes, you need to be declared exempt. Then life is so sweet. You keep every bit of your labor and the IRS doesn't come calling. Don't even send "screw you" letters, they just ignore you.

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Sun 02/09/14 11:51 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sun 02/09/14 11:55 AM
Or, ya can live off mama's SS,the working kids income, the other kids food stamps and hookin and sellin crack on the side.

That's wut I'd do. Beats werkin fer da man.laugh smokin

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Sun 02/09/14 11:53 AM





or as simple as 'stealing'

but, ya know, analogies are what they are,,,,


whether it is stealing or not the tax code and the distribution of revenues are universally considered to be flawed.

that doesn't matter where you sit..



Flawed, how about downright criminal. The founders, after the fiasco with the Articles of Federation, devised a very realistic plan of taxation to support the government by a combination of direct and indirect taxation.

But it wasn't until the hijack of the country by the bankers that the citizens became slaves to those bankers, the income tax, where the banks have the first claim to the fruit of your labors, anywhere from 15% up to 39.6% for 2013.

And to insure you pay, there is the IRS that enforces without due process of law, just brute force.

But it need not be so, the Supreme Court has said so so many times they refuse to even cert new cases. "The 16th Amendment purports no new methods of taxation". You only have to figure out what they said and you can be free.

yep,stop paying Taxes,and see how far you get!
you make sure you have nothing Taxable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You can't stop paying taxes, you need to be declared exempt. Then life is so sweet. You keep every bit of your labor and the IRS doesn't come calling. Don't even send "screw you" letters, they just ignore you.

no worry,when they need more,they'll remember your existence!laugh

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Sun 02/09/14 12:03 PM

Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


It is so nice you can read but no comprehension at all, do you. What does it say? Some very key words there.

But what about...

Article 1 Section 9 Item

"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

Still can't comprehend, can you. But do you know what the problem is with this Item...

First, Article 1 Section 8 Item 5

"To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;"

To coin money...

Second, Article 1 Section 10 Item 1

"No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility."

Only gold and silver, that's a real problem.

But we have been here before and your understanding hasn't improved at all.



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Sun 02/09/14 12:07 PM



Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


that is for indirect taxes..

income taxes are direct taxes..



don't see the word 'indirect' anywhere in the article,,

how would CONGRESS collect an 'indirect' tax that is 'uniform thoughout the United States'? for the defense and general welfare of the USA


Excise tax, custom tax, gas tax, sales tax...... generates so much money that Congress had to start giving it away to other countries.

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Sun 02/09/14 12:12 PM

Or, ya can live off mama's SS,the working kids income, the other kids food stamps and hookin and sellin crack on the side.

That's wut I'd do. Beats werkin fer da man.laugh smokin


Ah, but I don't work for the man, I work for me and get to keep 100%. Do you know what you call a paycheck with no deductions..... a check.

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Sun 02/09/14 12:15 PM
Edited by alnewman on Sun 02/09/14 12:21 PM






or as simple as 'stealing'

but, ya know, analogies are what they are,,,,


whether it is stealing or not the tax code and the distribution of revenues are universally considered to be flawed.

that doesn't matter where you sit..



Flawed, how about downright criminal. The founders, after the fiasco with the Articles of Federation, devised a very realistic plan of taxation to support the government by a combination of direct and indirect taxation.

But it wasn't until the hijack of the country by the bankers that the citizens became slaves to those bankers, the income tax, where the banks have the first claim to the fruit of your labors, anywhere from 15% up to 39.6% for 2013.

And to insure you pay, there is the IRS that enforces without due process of law, just brute force.

But it need not be so, the Supreme Court has said so so many times they refuse to even cert new cases. "The 16th Amendment purports no new methods of taxation". You only have to figure out what they said and you can be free.

yep,stop paying Taxes,and see how far you get!
you make sure you have nothing Taxable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You can't stop paying taxes, you need to be declared exempt. Then life is so sweet. You keep every bit of your labor and the IRS doesn't come calling. Don't even send "screw you" letters, they just ignore you.

no worry,when they need more,they'll remember your existence!laugh


Never happen, I have a special code on my IRS jacket, it translates into never go into court with this person again, we can't afford it.

Nothing in life more enjoyable that taking the IRS into a real court, well even that kangaroo tax court could be fun also but I don't really know as they dismissed the case so fast a tornado appeared, and watching them leave with their buttcheeks in their hands.

Oh, and it's not just me but a very large growing number discover the secret every year. And it's something you can't be told, you'll end up in jail as a tax protestor. You have to discover, document and follow the correct procedure but more importantly, you must be able to defend in court and no lawyer will dare do it for you.

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