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Topic: Adrianne Curry: ��Boycott Black History Month
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 02/08/14 08:01 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,,

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 02/08/14 08:12 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that. It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 02/08/14 08:25 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that. It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol I agree., well said the hand is only part of the body, but its important and separate from the nose or the ears,,,, all parts are separately worthy of their place and recognition for contributing to the whole,, celebrating diversity,,, great idea,,,

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Sat 02/08/14 08:38 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, EVERY individual has had a separate history creating a whole..... UNITED STATES.... individual states choosing to join a corporation of states. The gov't was created to protect the individual rights of those states, not control them. To say black history within the United States is not a part of the whole is ludicrous! You want special privilege for blacks for reparation of slavery, yet you want to claim we are separate in our histories..... that's ridiculous....absurd! You want the future to pay for a past you weren't part of, only related to, instead of learn from it, which you apparently aren't ready to do. That's like complaining of pain in a wound that has healed simply because you have a scar. We are so diverse in this day and age there is no purity of race as Hitler sought. There is no disparity of race except in the individual belief. Those like you who wish to keep it an issue are not helping the problem, the recipe is already blended! Do you seek to cut out the part of you that does not fit your racial preference? Where do you begin? On whom? Get over it. You are part of the whole with equal rights or you are seeking division..... basically, racism. That is what many here complain against, your views, not the race you claim to want to uplift. We advocate the uplifting of the whole, admit disparity of class, but you advocate disparity of race seeking special favor and division. You will NEVER get what you seek because most don't buy into your racist agenda. In that regard, I pity you, but not so much as to denounce my morals or fail to voice my dissent of those views

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 02/08/14 08:43 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that. It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol I agree., well said the hand is only part of the body, but its important and separate from the nose or the ears,,,, all parts are separately worthy of their place and recognition for contributing to the whole,, celebrating diversity,,, great idea,,, and if anything the celebration of diversity in this country which was so popular in the 1970s and 80s was in good measure a contribution from black american culture. that struggle for awareness created awareness in all of us...from the Firefox books to celebrate Appalchia to Hanhukah and Kwanzaa...it's all good....I think it would be good for the US to get back to the basics of the "rainbow coalition"

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 02/08/14 08:43 AM
I post these themes in an attempt to address the situation. In the old days, it was the white separatist movement that kept the hate fires raging. Now, with groups like panthers, NOI, people like Wright and Sharpton and all these extremists that believe WE THE PEOPLE owe them to sit on their deadasses, fanning the flame. If they accepted their place as simply, ordinary citizens of the US, they'd lose all their SPECIAL PRIVILEGES.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 02/08/14 08:48 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that. It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol I agree., well said the hand is only part of the body, but its important and separate from the nose or the ears,,,, all parts are separately worthy of their place and recognition for contributing to the whole,, celebrating diversity,,, great idea,,, and if anything the celebration of diversity in this country which was so popular in the 1970s and 80s was in good measure a contribution from black american culture. that struggle for awareness created awareness in all of us...from the Firefox books to celebrate Appalchia to Hanhukah and Kwanzaa...it's all good....I think it would be good for the US to get back to the basics of the "rainbow coalition" yep,that same Multi-Culti that has wreaked Havoc here in Europe?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 02/08/14 08:49 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, EVERY individual has had a separate history creating a whole..... UNITED STATES.... individual states choosing to join a corporation of states. The gov't was created to protect the individual rights of those states, not control them. To say black history within the United States is not a part of the whole is ludicrous! You want special privilege for blacks for reparation of slavery, yet you want to claim we are separate in our histories..... that's ridiculous....absurd! You want the future to pay for a past you weren't part of, only related to, instead of learn from it, which you apparently aren't ready to do. That's like complaining of pain in a wound that has healed simply because you have a scar. We are so diverse in this day and age there is no purity of race as Hitler sought. There is no disparity of race except in the individual belief. Those like you who wish to keep it an issue are not helping the problem, the recipe is already blended! Do you seek to cut out the part of you that does not fit your racial preference? Where do you begin? On whom? Get over it. You are part of the whole with equal rights or you are seeking division..... basically, racism. That is what many here complain against, your views, not the race you claim to want to uplift. We advocate the uplifting of the whole, admit disparity of class, but you advocate disparity of race seeking special favor and division. You will NEVER get what you seek because most don't buy into your racist agenda. In that regard, I pity you, but not so much as to denounce my morals or fail to voice my dissent of those views I am not understanding here. we are talking about celebrating black history month. that's all. I also do not agree with the idea of reparations. My ancestors suffered in coal mines and ship holds also and maybe were not slaves but worked in slave like conditions. many of us have ancestors who were sent here as indentured servants - irish, welsh, which is basically slavery....do we all want reparations?...we must make our own "reparations" in a free and equal society. the challenge is not to provide reparations but to make sure we continue to have equal opportunity...but so what? it has nothing to do with black history month

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 02/08/14 08:50 AM
I post these themes in an attempt to address the situation. In the old days, it was the white separatist movement that kept the hate fires raging. Now, with groups like panthers, NOI, people like Wright and Sharpton and all these extremists that believe WE THE PEOPLE owe them to sit on their deadasses, fanning the flame. If they accepted their place as simply, ordinary citizens of the US, they'd lose all their SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. but what makes you think those groups are new. they have been with us from the beginning in one way or another..new to you maybe?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 02/08/14 08:56 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that. It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol I agree., well said the hand is only part of the body, but its important and separate from the nose or the ears,,,, all parts are separately worthy of their place and recognition for contributing to the whole,, celebrating diversity,,, great idea,,, and if anything the celebration of diversity in this country which was so popular in the 1970s and 80s was in good measure a contribution from black american culture. that struggle for awareness created awareness in all of us...from the Firefox books to celebrate Appalchia to Hanhukah and Kwanzaa...it's all good....I think it would be good for the US to get back to the basics of the "rainbow coalition" yep,that same Multi-Culti that has wreaked Havoc here in Europe? no not at all. tho I admit I am not entirely aware of the european situation. I have read a little of it. Here in the US, several decades ago we had programs in schools, churches, scouts, community groups, that celebrated different cultural backgrounds...students brought in items, recipes, family members etc to discuss diversity. In the US we cannot hide from or deny diversity. We are a true melting pot. It is a separate issue from immigration which I believe is the problem in Europe. No, actually I am a strong law and order type person when it comes to immigration. I have little patience with illegals. That does not mean I do not value our national cultural diversity. they are, again, separate topics.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 02/08/14 08:57 AM
none is asking for 'privileges' what is being asked for IS equality, equal recognition and opportunity in RELATION to the investment of time and energy spent helping to BUILD THE NATION I am really at a loss for all here who continue to harp on an idea that I ever suggested wanting some 'special' privilege if a culture is not a result of its past, why do we harp on 'founding fathers' and ideals? because ones past is infinitely the reason for ones present and the past of African americans was DIVISIVELY different in these states,,,although their contributions were not

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 02/08/14 08:59 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 02/08/14 09:00 AM
I post these themes in an attempt to address the situation. In the old days, it was the white separatist movement that kept the hate fires raging. Now, with groups like panthers, NOI, people like Wright and Sharpton and all these extremists that believe WE THE PEOPLE owe them to sit on their deadasses, fanning the flame. If they accepted their place as simply, ordinary citizens of the US, they'd lose all their SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. why is it a problem for you though? do Sharpton or wright or members of the noi control the hiring in this country? or the economic climate? or the educational system? or the judicial system? why pretend to play the innocent victim of others seperatisim while continuing to imply and spew such negative hype about one group almost exclusively? why is it of any consequence to you what their experience or views are? why the obsession?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 02/08/14 09:02 AM
I post these themes in an attempt to address the situation. In the old days, it was the white separatist movement that kept the hate fires raging. Now, with groups like panthers, NOI, people like Wright and Sharpton and all these extremists that believe WE THE PEOPLE owe them to sit on their deadasses, fanning the flame. If they accepted their place as simply, ordinary citizens of the US, they'd lose all their SPECIAL PRIVILEGES. why is it a problem for you though? do Sharpton or wright or members of the noi control the hiring in this country? or the economic climate? or the educational system? or the judicial system? why pretend to play the innocent victim of others seperatisim while continuing to imply and spew such negative hype about one group almost exclusively? why is it of any consequence to you what their experience or views are? why the obsession? well said harmony

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 02/08/14 09:32 AM
Separatism is a big US problem.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 02/08/14 09:35 AM
I think it has always been a challenge in the US to continue to honor and value our diversity while uniting as one. We are truly a melting pot...to a much greater degree than any other country that I can think of. That is something to be very proud of. But it comes with a challenge; the same challenge that immigrants have accepted since we started coming here to settle (vs mercantile purposes) in the 15th century (or before). Yes these united States are a melting pot, but not to the degree it should be. Some components just refuse to melt and want things to change to what they have tried to escape. Maybe that is the problem with the black people, they didn't escape an environment originally nor came here voluntarily. However, in the end they did escape an environment and became free. The sad part is that small percentage that refuse to accept that freedom but instead use it as an excuse to incite others to also remain behind. How do I maintain my identity and fit in? At the same time? Without offending others or seeming exclusionary? all difficult questions. I disagree, not difficult questions at all. A person is but a collection of chemicals held together by a massive volume of water. The characteristics of these chemicals were determined by the linage of the parents. But that does not make the person. The spirit that makes you, you and me, me was the endowment from our creator. That is the spirit of the being and was created equal and free. It is what follows that that determines the spirit as it moves through the course of life. As Patrick Henry most infamously declared, "Give me liberty or give me death". But that is not the spirit of most as they would rather have "Promise me safety and make me a slave" and then want to blame others for their fate. I share my cultural home with those who are interested. I practice my culture at home and respect and willingly learn the culture of the status quo when I participate in society and government. I respect the home cultures of others. Black History month is the sharing of a home culture. Let's respect that. Perhaps others need advocates to promote and share additional home cultures. I would like participate in Irish American events, and German American events. But I also enjoy Asian and Greek restaurants and Native American stories and husbandry. None of those has a whole month devoted to it, but has anyone asked? Realistically we probably do not have enough months in the year to promote all home cultures found in the US. Why moan because a black man achieved Black History month. Rather honor his achievement. If this is so important to the young lady in the OP perhaps she will use her noteriety to start a Native American History month...or w/e.. I don;t think Black History month has outlived it's purpose, but rather made us all aware that our ancestry is interesting and important. My ancestry is a Heinz 57 mix of European cultures with a little native American for good luck, so much so that the only real basis are my grandparents names which are all of English origin. But the only real culture after so many generations on American soil that matters are the free spirits that migrated here to escape tyranny and oppression. That is the culture I celebrate. But I have been fortunate in my life as I have had the opportunity to travel this wonderful world. As a businessman, I have always had local sponsors and as such got a much better perspective of their lives and cultures than can ever be had as a tourist. They have invited me into their homes and I have been introduced to their culture as they see it. I have loved the honor of this most unique experience. So why is it that these united States should be any different? If you come here, it is to our culture. If you wish to maintain your native culture, why did you leave? Do not try to change us to what you left, if is was so great, why are you seeking freedom here? Now that does not mean that within your family you should abandon your heritage, that should be a source of pride. But like me and my family, over the generations it all fades away. Now that is the meat of this topic, why should one race be different and always want things to adapt to them instead of them adapting to the environment. And saying one race is not entirely accurate, just a small percentage of that race. I mean look at Dr. King, he wanted opportunity, not to be black, but for black man to be equal and walk proudly amongst as Americans, not as separatist that defined the inequality that he fought.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 02/08/14 09:47 AM
I feel sorry for you, I really do. I hope there is help for the obsession you have over black folks,,,,, good luck with that Now that is the proverbial pot calling the kettle black, no pun intended but it does work, obsession over black... yeah, that's why 8/10 threads in these forums with black people as a topic are started by the same one or two people NEITHER OF WHICH IS ME if I am obsessed by responding, certainly those who initiate are equally (or more) 'obessessed' Eating the blue pill again.... Black History Month - started by you guessed it... But then, why are so many threads turned into racist discussions, so amply support by - you guessed it...

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 02/08/14 09:52 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, the whole is made of many parts, each valuable and distinct and equally valuable to our collective identity as Americans. How each group celebrates it's unique identity and participates in unity is up to each group and individual within those groups. I do think it disrespectful to believe that one ethnicity or race is better than the others, but I really don;t think Black History Month is doing that. It is wrong thinking to believe that one breaks unity by celebrating unique qualities.....this is not the collective comrade we value diversity in the US...get with the program...lol I agree., well said the hand is only part of the body, but its important and separate from the nose or the ears,,,, all parts are separately worthy of their place and recognition for contributing to the whole,, celebrating diversity,,, great idea,,, and if anything the celebration of diversity in this country which was so popular in the 1970s and 80s was in good measure a contribution from black american culture. that struggle for awareness created awareness in all of us...from the Firefox books to celebrate Appalchia to Hanhukah and Kwanzaa...it's all good....I think it would be good for the US to get back to the basics of the "rainbow coalition" yep,that same Multi-Culti that has wreaked Havoc here in Europe? no not at all. tho I admit I am not entirely aware of the european situation. I have read a little of it. Here in the US, several decades ago we had programs in schools, churches, scouts, community groups, that celebrated different cultural backgrounds...students brought in items, recipes, family members etc to discuss diversity. In the US we cannot hide from or deny diversity. We are a true melting pot. It is a separate issue from immigration which I believe is the problem in Europe. No, actually I am a strong law and order type person when it comes to immigration. I have little patience with illegals. That does not mean I do not value our national cultural diversity. they are, again, separate topics. yep,the Balkanization of the US!

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 02/08/14 09:52 AM
Black history (in the US) is part of American history. It should be studied long and hard, but no more so than our history in general. ...Claiming special privilege to race, based on sins of a past generation in the learning process of a new nation.... is not only stupidity, it is destructive ignorance most (thankfully) have risen above. We're all in this together! Choosing to believe one race of an entire diversified population such as ours deserves more, or special treatment over another..... that's arrogance, not progress, division, not unity. One bad apple can spoil the whole barrel if it is not removed. We are guaranteed equal rights for ALL, NOT some more than others! Thinking otherwise is part of the problem, NOT the solution! Black history can't be American history or more specifically these united States history. These united States are composed of a vast mix of different cultures and ethnicities all melded into one. Now if it is separated, it is no longer a part of the whole, but is attempting to distinguish itself as a separate entity. You can have one or you can have the other, but not both. That is the whole problem with this argument, some wish to have their cookie and eat it too. The only way to accomplish that is to steal from another. Division of the whole and claiming unification, just as dishonest as stealing. black people have had a separate history, making them a separate culture and a separate identity and the hypocrites who constantly gripe and insult 'blacks' realize it completely when it serves to fulfill their own ego and 'privilege' just do it my way or you aren't American,,,,,yeah right,,,, So what way are you insinuating, having it both ways? You are promoting that as "Americans" you are owed something but when it comes to paying then you are forced to be "American". Why do you think you have the right to have it both ways?

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Sat 02/08/14 09:55 AM
got it no suggestions, just complaints,,, have a nice day,, Hmnmmmmm.... and here I thought that was a serious question to you..... who seems to be one who practices division yourself. You don't want answers or you would come up with suggestions that didn't favor your race over the whole of the minority spectrum. You can't lift one without lifting ALL or there is division.....and that is what you offer so when there are womens advocates, are they useless for not offering the upliftment of 'men'? when there are veterans advocates, are they useless for not offering the upliftment of non vets? there are certainly enough people that they can start by choosing smaller causes that speak most directly to their experiences I do believe this post was even about a young persons group that didn't single out any race so why is it any more problematic for me to talk about 'blacks' than for others to speak about women or vets or any other of the smaller groups that make up America? so why are my,,,,,,,nevermind Anything that does not support the whole of society will give us what we have today. Women are a class, not a race. Minorities are a class, not a race. Gays are a class, not a race Until you learn the difference you will never understand Does that make these groups any less important than others? Many seem to think so, for some reason.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 02/08/14 09:56 AM Edited by willing2 on Sat 02/08/14 10:05 AM
Until just recently, it's been taboo to discuss on a public forum race relations. No, those separatists groups and people are not new. They are the ones fighting to keep separatism alive. Matter of fact, just 3 years ago on one public forum I tried to make a thread regarding separatism. It was quickly deleted and the administration told me not to make another race relations thread again or I'd be banned.