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| Topic: Stand your ground Law should it be changed or reformed? | |
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That excuse has also been used for decades. Let's just throw more money at a failed system because some people are irresponsible. The easy answer, and somewhat harsh, is if you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em. But families, churches and charities take care of people more effectively and more efficiently than the government. that's ridiculous actually, because it ignores the fact that children grow over a period of 18 years,, during which all types of things can happen that constitute 'hard times' whether you can afford them at one point doesn't GUARANTEE you will always be able to do it ,,,,,things change, that's reality and children shouldn't be left to suffer when those hard times hit their parents.. Prior to the government "helping" people by encouraging them to remain on the dole churches, communities, charities, and families handled these issues more effectively and efficiently. Or did you intentionally overlook that part? More of the same policies will yield more of the same results. I'm not ok with sending the poor a message that they can't move up. Why are you? prior to the overwhelming need for help, families stayed together and MEN provided after the great depression, and the great wars, poverty rates became unable to be managed thru mere churches and charities the population grew quite a bit, families breaking up became more acceptable, the job industry changed , manufacturing took a great hit, technology and ecommerce grew,, and the times changed along with them so that what USED to work no longer was enough,,, it still isn't,, this isn't 1945 Im not ok with sending the poor the message that they should be grateful to be workhorse/slaves? Are you? I agree things can improve, but I don't agree that welfare is the problem. people will fall on hard times and need help, not all of them go to churches or have access to a charity that isn't already overwhelmed,,, the problem is about training and educating people about how to strive, and not just struggle and survive,,, about adapting the system to the changing needs of the population,,,, about encouraging the 'job makers' to pay decent wage for the time and efforts of honest people trying to survive,,, about re vamping the 'credit' system that almost mandates people take on debt to prove themselves worthy of decent home rates, loan rates, insurance rates,,, and any number of other things that are now standards in our culture,,, ..lots of improvements can be made,, ditching the help so many depend upon through the rough times is not one of them Again, "you can't, so you need me." That's almost like an abusive marriage, is it not? Why do you support policies that have failed for decades? according to whom have they failed? if the economy wasn't 'failing' families which need decent wages and opportunities, welfare could work even better assistance programs keep millions off the streets and with food in their bellies, a good portion of them children and elderly why cant you understand that its human to 'need' to need some help sometime,, there is no shame in it and it has nothing to do with 'can't' ? According to the fact that we have a growing number of people ON the system instead of getting OFF the system! But more money will make a bad idea good, I suppose.  a better economy will make a good idea better when there is a depression or recession, SURPRISE< more people will need more help however , most on welfare(the types people complain about , mainly aid to family and stamps for food), are not on longer than 3-5 years,,, so it is TEMPORARY for when people have hard times,, and that's not a dent on character when it happens most don't enjoy trying to feed 4 people on 300 a month or pay their expenses for a family of 4 with another 300 on a card its a temporary means until they get back on their feet everyone needs some help sometimes,,, Didn't you say Obama is fixing the economy? So why MORE welfare cases? And 3 -5 YEARS? That's a long time, and the longer someone is DEPENDENT, the harder it is to become independent. So let's keep throwing more money into a failed system because more money will fix it. Just like a little more gasoline should put out that fire. Again, why do you favor dependence on government instead of freedom? |
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you keep ignoring the information I am giving..
the economy needs to work better welfare is not the problem and needs to be available for when people hit rough patches doesnt matter how hard it is to become independent, there is a TIME SET since Clintons reform that only allows the time it allows the welfare doesn't fail, the economy does freedom is a nice clich� soundbyte to make things sound good but it doesn't work for starvation and homelessness, at least not with me Id prefer my kids have shelter and food,,, |
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You keep repeating yourself, which is why I keep ignoring you. Gee, kinda like we keep throwing money at welfare and we keep getting more people on the dole! Wow! Same actions yield same results! See how it works now?
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Wow, this thread has really gone off topic.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 02/17/15 10:59 PM
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You keep repeating yourself, which is why I keep ignoring you. Gee, kinda like we keep throwing money at welfare and we keep getting more people on the dole! Wow! Same actions yield same results! See how it works now? no,, I see the rEALITY and the actual numbers, and not assumptions there is a record number since we hit the last RECESSION, that is not the normal trend,,,, the numbers have hit highs and lows before the recession, it goes in waves when the numbers decline and increase,,,,thats the NORM it works, but it could work BETTER if we didn't have an economy that produced so many working poor,,, if the work actually combated the poverty, fewer people would require the dole to get on their feet  try as you may to keep indicting the impoverished instead of poverty itself,,,,but welfare is still a necessary blanket for americans on hard times,, |
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Wow, this thread has really gone off topic. I agree. I did point that out a couple posts ago. But you know poverty is an issue that I have to speak up about when I hear people begrudging the impoverished. |
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Edited by
Estelle79
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Wed 02/18/15 12:09 AM
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When I see people talk about the poor feeling entitled to welfare, I totally agree that they should feel entitled. And who wouldn't need to resort to theft or other crime when welfare means you can't afford shelter. Where in the world does rent cost under $300?
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When I see people talk about the poor feeling entitled to welfare, I totally agree that they should feel entitled. And who wouldn't need to resort to theft or other crime when welfare means you can't afford shelter. Where in the world does rent cost under $300? Can someone tell me why we are letting this lady from "Istanbul, Istanbul"  lead us into questioning our "Stand your ground" laws or question our welfare system in the US WTF are we doing here Maybe we should start checking out the OP's before letting them divide US. She is siting back  at us for being so stupid!
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When I see people talk about the poor feeling entitled to welfare, I totally agree that they should feel entitled. And who wouldn't need to resort to theft or other crime when welfare means you can't afford shelter. Where in the world does rent cost under $300? Can someone tell me why we are letting this lady from "Istanbul, Istanbul" lead us into questioning our "Stand your ground" laws or question our welfare system in the US WTF are we doing here Maybe we should start checking out the OP's before letting them divide US. She is siting back at us for being so stupid! This website does not allow me to write Istanbul, Turkey so that is not my mistake. I'm American and the profile asks where do you live? I live in another country and this is an international forum. I'm not dividing anyone, this is a place to discuss all kinds of political views. I'm not laughing because it's not very funny. It's sad that people can be so cruel to those suffering from poverty. |
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My apology, but seems many who are not American start garbage on here to stir us up. Looked at your profile before I wrote that and saw nothing to indicate you are a proud American........located somewhere else.
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Wed 02/18/15 10:08 AM
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and the kids? yes, adults who don't have to don't have to do ANYTHING BUT look after themselves, I understand but the children who suffer along with the adults when they hit hard times, make that a bit less doable without some help "As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. ~ Adolf Hitler |
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yep,great Selfdefense-Strategy!
Just turn the Other Cheek! #one! #two! #three! #four,oops,now what! 
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and the kids? yes, adults who don't have to don't have to do ANYTHING BUT look after themselves, I understand but the children who suffer along with the adults when they hit hard times, make that a bit less doable without some help "As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. ~ Adolf Hitler Ill pass on taking advice from hitler, thanks,, |
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Erdogan...nevermind don't want to get in trouble.
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Wow, this thread has really gone off topic. I agree. I did point that out a couple posts ago. But you know poverty is an issue that I have to speak up about when I hear people begrudging the impoverished. The mistake you make is your assumption that I think the impoverished are the problem. The problem is the politicians who promote policies that keep people impoverished. It is no coincidence that the impoverished areas also have the worst schools. But then again, offering educational options other than the failing public schools in those areas is also a bad idea according to the same people who promote the policies that make it difficult to pull themselves out of poverty. So now the question is, why do those who promote policies that perpetuate poverty also oppose educating the impoverished? Perhaps for the same reason that it was illegal for slaves to be educated 200 years ago? |
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But you called them lazy and want to kick them to the street. There they will get a street education, is that what you mean by education?
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Wow, this thread has really gone off topic. I agree. I did point that out a couple posts ago. But you know poverty is an issue that I have to speak up about when I hear people begrudging the impoverished. The mistake you make is your assumption that I think the impoverished are the problem. The problem is the politicians who promote policies that keep people impoverished. It is no coincidence that the impoverished areas also have the worst schools. But then again, offering educational options other than the failing public schools in those areas is also a bad idea according to the same people who promote the policies that make it difficult to pull themselves out of poverty. So now the question is, why do those who promote policies that perpetuate poverty also oppose educating the impoverished? Perhaps for the same reason that it was illegal for slaves to be educated 200 years ago? 
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But you called them lazy and want to kick them to the street. There they will get a street education, is that what you mean by education? Obfuscating and putting words in people's mouths doesn't answer the question. |
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But you called them lazy and want to kick them to the street. There they will get a street education, is that what you mean by education? Obfuscating and putting words in people's mouths doesn't answer the question. Exactly..so answer the question? |
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But you called them lazy and want to kick them to the street. There they will get a street education, is that what you mean by education? Obfuscating and putting words in people's mouths doesn't answer the question. Exactly..so answer the question? I asked a question that was avoided. Why is that? Why perpetuate policies that promote poverty, while at the same time opposing better educational opportunities for the impoverished? Why will no one answer that question? |
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