Wow! One of the most ignorant statements (and I use "ignorant" in its true definition..it is NOT used as an insult).

You honestly think its about physical "pain"!!??? That's just stupidity. (again, not as an insult, just its real definition)
The form of "spanking" a child is not just about "physical pain", although that is part of the "consiquence".

I won't even try to go into such depths, because it will most likely just go nowhere. So the easiest way for you to figure out the "unsheltered" human nature..take yourself down to your closest state prison and place yourself into the general population yard with the inmates. then start asking them what happened in thier childhood and what they think of a child getting a "spanking" (not beating or abusing..but the true form of spanking as refered to in the Bible for a parent to administer)

Then please come back and share your findings, I would be eager to hear what you have to say then.

Ignorance? Stupidity?...First of all I beleive in God, I am not a stong man of faith but do believe. What I dont beleive is running my household from what a book (meaning the bible) says. I run my household my way, and to very much success thank you. My daugher has NEVER been struck! Ever! She knows the differecne from right and wrong, she is an honor student in her class, and wants to please everyone, and as well is a leader. She is a very strong individual in her young age, it all boils down to parenthood and everything who strikes their children takes that easy way out. Give them a timeout, then sit down and talk to them about it and why it was wrong and "explain". Communication is the complete key and striking a child and placing them in their room to cry the "pain" does nothing. Yes, pain..it does hurt and that is what pain is. That is just taking the easy way out...

And, to think that prison mates would offer good advise?

Dont question the way I run my household, I have done it with much success...Thank you

Oh and I must add this as an example. remember years ago, back when Clinton was President..and that kid got caught in Singapore for spray painting cars and was "caned"? (Caning is a form of "spanking", it is done by using a bamboo style "sword" if you will, that has bamboo slats, that when struck can pinch together and pinch the skin. They use these also in martial arts training for swordsmanship)

Now to point out, in Singapor, you can walk down almost ANY street there at 3 am and not have to worry about a thing. Why? Because discipline measers, which some even include a "spanking" are used and enforced strictly, therefore the people obey the laws and rules.

So tell me in what American city can you wanl down the streets at 3 am and not be looking over your shoulder? There really is not any. Why? because the criminals KNOW they will get LIGHT to NO punishment. this thanks to many of the same people that think "spanking" is something "bad". The same people took spanking or "swats" out of school. And now look what you have! You EVIDENCE of what you have done is right in front of your own faces! Kids are bringing GUNS to the schools! many have to have POLICE ON SIGHT to TRY to CONTROL YOUR CHILDREN!!! The same children YOU WON'T SPANK at home!

So "talk" all you want! The PROOF is what sits right in front of your own face..but you are too blind to even see it!

Going back to the American kids in Singapore that got his "swats". Many years later he was interviewd and he stated clearly (I'm going to have to paraphrase here because I do not have the article in front of me) "that situation changed my life and I never did anything like that again."

So does it work, you bet it does, when use in its CORRECT content... NOT in abuse and NOT out of anger.

OK, let me clarify, I was NOT speaking of your household directly..simply "in general".

Spanking is NOT needed in all households, nor is it used in every style of situation.

However, it should NEVER be totally ruled out and an "option" in severe enough situations.

And you state you are a man of "faith" but don;t go by what the "Bible" has to say..then where do you get your "faith" from??? In the Bible it states clearly "spare the rod, spoil the child". Again, that is a GENERAL statement and not meant that every child must be spanked. you have to take it in the context in which it was meant.

And yes, you could learn a LOT from the men in a prison yard. At least you would see the true "unsheltered" version of humanity that so many today are oblivious to.

I am certainly happy that your daughter does so well, I am sure you are proud of her and I commend you on being a good parent. Again, it shows in her from what you have done.

Just don't try to fit everything and everyone in the same "box" because there are thousands of styles of situations and all can use specific forms of guidence and discipline as they are called for.

To each their own of course, and the beauty of human debate is the oppotunity to have your own opinion. Thank you for the kind words in regards to my daughter, yes I am very proud...

I mentioned that I was not a strong man of faith. I do believe in God but dont go to church to worship. I feel I can do that at home.....

OK, and I just thought of something else to help better prove a point..that point being, sometimes, in certain situations, all things can happen.

You take the position that in no way shape or form should any child be struck in any way..period. Those are you own words. So I would have to guess that you take the same type of position on those same kids when they grow up to be adults. No types of capital punishment, etc, etc.

Now say one of these gets into a situation and to bring it "home" it will involve your daughter and a man brutally and savagely beats her and rapes her for days, then kills her in a most hidious way.

Now tell me, are you going to try to sit down with that man and try to "talk" with him to find out why he was having such problems? Are you just going to give him a "time-out" per say and just go easy on him? Seriously?

I know, you are going to say "well thats totally different, thats a grown adult, blah blah blah" But its not all that different. Its about making the "punishment fit the crime". And if there was any case like I described involving your daughter, if you didn't get your hands on that man first, I would be very happy to rip him apart with my own bare hands for you, because people like that don't deserve to be walking the face of this earth. Thats just the "real world" and people have forgotten, especially in the USA (who are so sheltered and oblivious of what goes on all over the world)that there are a lot of very bad people who can and do a lot of really bad things in this world and that there are times we MUST take certain actions to help prevent/detur certain things later down the road.

Again, every situation can be different...just never rule out something that even though you may not need, someone else may need it for thier situation.

First, let me start by saying I really dont apprecaite you using my daughter as a scenario. Be careful in what you state please.

There is one very simple answer to this. "Violence is NOT the answer!" Striking/hitting people are used in two forms. Either by sport or in violence. I used to fight professionally and even have that side fully capable of doing harm, but I have never used in any form other than the sport or self defense. THat simple...

Secondly, Would anyone you know want to live in any of these third world countries that allow the Capital Punishment? I know of none. Now for the blah blah blah. Your comparing this Capital Punishment to punishing a child. Someone raping and killing a child to a child that may not eat all their vegetables? Or a child that may want a toy in the store? Compare it to something other then murder and maybe I could understand. I can assure you that if anyone were to place my child in any form of harm, they would deeply regret it, but just because a child may not obey their parent for going to bed on time..the child doesnt deserve the same treatment

Again, I agree.

my point being..making the "punishment fit the crime".

NO child should EVER be struck in anger or in ANY abusive way..PERIOD. I have been very clear on that point throughout the tread.

But there are times, especially with males, because we are made to be "physical". You being a professional fighter at one point should fully understand that.

The use of "physical force" has spanned throughout time and its just a fact of life. I don;t like it, but I must face reality and deal with it on the level it is presented.

Say you have a boy who is 15..and he starts in with a hammer on your car. You try talking to him..does not help..you try "time outs", does not work, you try counsellling..nada. And he keeps going at your stuff like nothing has ever happened. What are you going to do??? You don;t think an old fashioned trip to the woodshed is not an option??

Again, I am NOT saying its something that must happen in every household or all the time. Simply it MUST be left as an OPTION IF needed.

we will just agree to disagree my friend

what a stupid question, like you don't know that already now?

that wasnt a question, it was a statement

OMG... what is wrong with you people????


I have read this whole thread and I have to tell you, most of it makes me sick!!!! how can you possibly think spanking is a good idea? it does NOT teach boundries, dicipline, respect, nor will it teach them proper punishment, and anything else you think it will teach them.

What spanking teaches a child is this....

My parents don't love me
I am a worthless person
It's okay to hit people/things



I took a class just a couple months ago.. it was a Nurturing Parenting class...and believe me.. we coverd this topic until there was nothing left of it. I'm gonna share this one thing with you and then be done.. I hope to God, you pay attention to it and LEARN from it.


Why is Spanking Detrimental to Children?

Children have the right to grow up in an environment free from violence, disrespect, and hurt. They have the right to expect adults will treat them as valued human beings who deserve compassion, understanding, and support. Parents would expect nothing less from their children; children should expect nothing less from their parents. The Greatest limitations of spanking have to do with the impact on the children's phychological development. The more frequent spankings occur, and the greater the severity of the spanking (beatings, thrashings), the grater the negitive impact. Volience breeds violence. Children learn how to be violent, and a large part of the learning comes in the home.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

My Pleasure!!!!!!!!

I think this thread is so flipping funny . As a child I was spanked and I never had any fear of my grandparents (who were the ones doing the spanking) . I never felt like I was disrespected by them and it had no effect on my mental or emotional state . I don't break down crying over some spanking I got when I was 6 .... geeze .
Are you all confusing spankings with being abused ? There is a really big difference .
I am also one of the most non-violent people you will ever meet . So like someone else said to each their own but I see no issue w/giving a child a light spanking when needed .

ROFLMAO. OK please DO THIS!!! And to actually complete your "perfect world scenerio" Make SURE you do NOT allow your children to watch TV, listen to the radio or any other forms of media..because most ALL of it contains violence disrespect and hurt.

Then of course you would have to "homeschool" your children to keep them away from any of the violence disrespect and hurt found all over in every school.

THEN, send you child out in the REAL WORLD where they will basically have NO CHANCE of survival and most likely implode mentally and emotionally because they are not even close to being equipped to handle LIFE!!! Oh and don't be surprised if suicide (as you see in mounting numbers of young people today) happens to your children because in what you are stating here, that is a very likely end to the path you are setting them on.

Life is REAL. Wish and dream all you want..but if you do not prepair your child for the REAL WORLD it's YOUR FAULT!

i wasn't talking about you but the topic, should we spank our kids or what

My god, all these scenarios to justify spanking. Whether I spank my child or not will ensure her success in the real world. What does is proper guidance and education. Exposure to view the problems of the world, see the idiots that provoke and allow violence and communicate to her how it's wrong. Keep beating your kid's people, show them your tough love tactics and I will be sure to do everything in my power to keep my child away from them, those are the ones that go into these schiils, because they were beaten, and not shown the true meaning of unconditional love

i see, yea it's typed wrong

I did it your way too. I also have a straight A, sports child that is happy, caring, and respectful.