ok...another thread got me to thinking (yes i hzave been told not to think because it gets me in trouble lol)

violent crimes....is there a way to prevent them from happening ??? as a society...how could we do this???

i found an article...too long to copy...but some of the solutions made me wonder.

NUMBER ONE: SWIFT AND SURE PUNISHMENT
NUMBER TWO: THE GREAT AMERICAN WELFARE SYSTEM
NUMBER THREE: RECOGNIZE EVIL AND CALL IT EVIL
NUMBER FOUR: CHOICE AND CONSEQUENCE
NUMBER FIVE: THE SELF SERVING CULTURE MENTALITY
NUMBER SIX: JUDICIAL DISCRETION
NUMBER SEVEN: THE GIANT PRISON FRAUD
NUMBER EIGHT: DECLARE WAR ON CRIME


http://www.atps.com/crime/cause.htm

for the full article. just curious on thoughts and suggestions

don't say I didn't try

Very interesting

Pssst!!! some will still oppose and argue these, even though they have no solutions of their own.

I'm not even saying these ideas are something I agree or disagree with. I was just giving an interesting article I found

Hey Rose, check into "The Venus Project". It's about much more than sustainable energy solutions, it's about a way of life. I agree with their principles and thinking to a large degree, but as with anything that is a "model", it would take a working structure to work the bugs out. I like their way of thinking tho.

It really is an interesting concept, but people bound to a "monetary system", despite it's proven disadvantages, would have trouble accepting it. Regardless of how much we could prosper from it in morality, health, and just good feelings, I think most would label it science fiction, and that would be the choker.

People want change, but they want someone to give it to them, a magic pill, not work for it.

good people usually have a way of life of sorts. but the problem is...you can't change the bad guys. you can't change people period...only they can change.

so how do you get ahead of the violent crimes to prevent them??? is there a way?

a weapons control won't work because the bad guys will get them somehow and there were murders etc before guns were invented.

you can hypnotize the world and program them to be nice. that's impossible...

so how do you fight to prevent violence?

There is no "perfect society". But if you take away the potential for monetary profit, remove the greed factor, most other crimes would become nil, allowing more focus on the "bad people" aspect of dealing with it.

what about rapists and rage killings and such?

don't get me wrong hun...I appreciate your imput. I just don't see there ever be a solution

If most "profit" crimes were eliminated, people of violent natures would be more apparent, separated from the group, exposed, and easier to identify. To solve any problem you must know the source, and in tne confusion of today, misdirection, the power of money, corrupt and greedy politicians, it is the breeding ground of such things.

Remove the confusion, and things are easier to see and deal with. As I say, no perfect world, just a simpler, more aware one.

ok so...how do you prevent monetary violent crimes??? like robbery

If you remove the potential for profit, such crimes would not exist.

Check out the "Venus Project" philosophy. It's about an economy not based on a monetary system or fossil fuels.

It's an amazing read showing how we can make fantastic changes using (and with) technologies we have right now, today!

Most would say it's a "Buck Rogers" dream, but it is not a dream, just not acceptable to the powers in control today because there is no profit in it.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

FUTURE BY DESIGN
A Resource-Based Economy is a system in which all goods and services are available without the use of money, credits, barter or any other system of debt or servitude. All resources become the common heritage of all of the inhabitants, not just a select few. The premise upon which this system is based is that the Earth is abundant with plentiful resource; our practice of rationing resources through monetary methods is irrelevant and counter productive to our survival.

Modern society has access to highly advanced technology and can make available food, clothing, housing and medical care; update our educational system; and develop a limitless supply of renewable, non-contaminating energy. By supplying an efficiently designed economy, everyone can enjoy a very high standard of living with all of the amenities of a high technological society.

A resource-based economy would utilize existing resources from the land and sea, physical equipment, industrial plants, etc. to enhance the lives of the total population. In an economy based on resources rather than money, we could easily produce all of the necessities of life and provide a high standard of living for all.

Consider the following examples: At the beginning of World War II the US had a mere 600 or so first-class fighting aircraft. We rapidly overcame this short supply by turning out more than 90,000 planes a year. The question at the start of World War II was: Do we have enough funds to produce the required implements of war? The answer was No, we did not have enough money, nor did we have enough gold; but we did have more than enough resources. It was the available resources that enabled the US to achieve the high production and efficiency required to win the war. Unfortunately this is only considered in times of war.

In a resource-based economy all of the world's resources are held as the common heritage of all of Earth's people, thus eventually outgrowing the need for the artificial boundaries that separate people. This is the unifying imperative.

We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them. Our vision of globalization empowers each and every person on the planet to be the best they can be, not to live in abject subjugation to a corporate governing body.

Our proposals would not only add to the well being of people, but they would also provide the necessary information that would enable them to participate in any area of their competence. The measure of success would be based on the fulfilment of one's individual pursuits rather than the acquisition of wealth, property and power.

At present, we have enough material resources to provide a very high standard of living for all of Earth's inhabitants. Only when population exceeds the carrying capacity of the land do many problems such as greed, crime and violence emerge. By overcoming scarcity, most of the crimes and even the prisons of today's society would no longer be necessary.

A resource-based economy would make it possible to use technology to overcome scarce resources by applying renewable sources of energy, computerizing and automating manufacturing and inventory, designing safe energy-efficient cities and advanced transportation systems, providing universal health care and more relevant education, and most of all by generating a new incentive system based on human and environmental concern.

Many people believe that there is too much technology in the world today, and that technology is the major cause of our environmental pollution. This is not the case. It is the abuse and misuse of technology that should be our major concern. In a more humane civilization, instead of machines displacing people they would shorten the workday, increase the availability of goods and services, and lengthen vacation time. If we utilize new technology to raise the standard of living for all people, then the infusion of machine technology would no longer be a threat.

A resource-based world economy would also involve all-out efforts to develop new, clean, and renewable sources of energy: geothermal; controlled fusion; solar; photovoltaic; wind, wave, and tidal power; and even fuel from the oceans. We would eventually be able to have energy in unlimited quantity that could propel civilization for thousands of years. A resource-based economy must also be committed to the redesign of our cities, transportation systems, and industrial plants, allowing them to be energy efficient, clean, and conveniently serve the needs of all people.

What else would a resource-based economy mean? Technology intelligently and efficiently applied, conserves energy, reduces waste, and provides more leisure time. With automated inventory on a global scale, we can maintain a balance between production and distribution. Only nutritious and healthy food would be available and planned obsolescence would be unnecessary and non-existent in a resource-based economy.

As we outgrow the need for professions based on the monetary system, for instance lawyers, bankers, insurance agents, marketing and advertising personnel, salespersons, and stockbrokers, a considerable amount of waste will be eliminated. Considerable amounts of energy would also be saved by eliminating the duplication of competitive products such as tools, eating utensils, pots, pans and vacuum cleaners. Choice is good. But instead of hundreds of different manufacturing plants and all the paperwork and personnel required to turn out similar products, only a few of the highest quality would be needed to serve the entire population. Our only shortage is the lack of creative thought and intelligence in ourselves and our elected leaders to solve these problems. The most valuable, untapped resource today is human ingenuity.

With the elimination of debt, the fear of losing one's job will no longer be a threat This assurance, combined with education on how to relate to one another in a much more meaningful way, could considerably reduce both mental and physical stress and leave us free to explore and develop our abilities.

If the thought of eliminating money still troubles you, consider this: If a group of people with gold, diamonds and money were stranded on an island that had no resources such as food, clean air and water, their wealth would be irrelevant to their survival. It is only when resources are scarce that money can be used to control their distribution. One could not, for example, sell the air we breathe or water abundantly flowing down from a mountain stream. Although air and water are valuable, in abundance they cannot be sold.

Money is only important in a society when certain resources for survival must be rationed and the people accept money as an exchange medium for the scarce resources. Money is a social convention, an agreement if you will. It is neither a natural resource nor does it represent one. It is not necessary for survival unless we have been conditioned to accept it as such.

intersting. but I still don't believe voilence can be eliminated or there is a way to predict who is going to commit a crime. look at Ted Bundy....he didn't "look like" the serial killer type...whatever that is. and until they actually commit a crime...you can't arrest someone when they haven't done anything. it is in the mind set of people to kill or hurt...whether it's during another crime, snapped in anger, mental illness....whatever. JMO

genetic stem cells

predetermine genetically the babies that have the potential to be violent and abort them

that ought to keep the liberals AND the conservatives happy

ok....not to poo poo on your idea quiet lol....but it would have to be a wold wide thing because if one country isn't violent any more ir have the deisre to do what may be necessary to protect themselves....they would be sitting ducks

let's take the first item in the article and if we agree or disagre with it

NUMBER ONE: SWIFT AND SURE PUNISHMENT
The greatest deterrent to crime is swift and sure punishment! We do not have that message going out to the criminal community from the judicial system today. Think of it, according to Justice department statistics....just going into the profession, all criminals collectively have a 79% guarantee of success in America. There is no other profession that is guaranteed that type of success.

Crime does pay and criminals know that. There is no better way to show how punishment is a deterrent to crime than to compare the American revolving door justice system with another criminal justice system that meets out swift and sure punishment. In recent years we have been able to clearly compare two systems of justice. One of our graffiti criminals by name of Michael Fay got loose in Singapore and practiced his criminal art on a dozen or so automobiles and telephone booths. He received a fine of $2000 and got his butt caned with a wet bamboo rod. The old American lawyer ploy of pleading his client not responsible did not work in Singapore. If this crime had occurred in his home town of Dayton, Ohio, Michael Fay would have been fined $750 and received a suspended 90 day sentence. The American criminal justice system today has evolved into an award winning performance of lawyer fraud that attempts to show that the offender is really the victim. If the lawyers miss the mark then the lawyer judge will hobble the jury with dozens of pages of instructions to reach the desired verdict.

Singapore has no record of a repeat offender who has been previously caned-it is punishment to remember. Is punishment a deterrent? Let's compare Singapore justice with American justice on a greater scale. Los Angeles, California is about the same size as Singapore with about 3.5 million people. Lets use the year 1993 for comparison;

CRIME LOS ANGELES SINGAPORE

Homicides 1,100
Rapes 1,855 80
Robberies 39,277 1008
Auto Theft 65,541 3162

Singapore has had no kidnappings during the five year study and only a handful of armed robberies. Singapore has an immediate mandatory death sentence for those who fire a gun during the commission of a crime. Twenty offenses carry the death penalty. Firearm and drug trafficking offenses carry the most swift punishment. During a four year period, 47 convicts were hanged in Singapore, more than all violent criminals executed in the entire United States during the same period of time. Twenty two of those who were hanged were convicted of drug trafficking. Capital punishment is a definite deterrent to crime. An executed criminal cannot commit another crime.

The USA can learn a great lesson from the Singapore caning experience. In fact we could learn so much about punishment as a deterrent to crime, with legal justice reform, we could apply billions of dollars in crime costs and crime bills and completely eliminate the government deficit with the savings on crime costs in a short period of time.

The causes are varied and many. We can't turn back history and modern society doesn't seem to be going the right direction.

The cure? I am a fan of the rope with thirteen knots. It worked well for the first two thirds of our nation's history.

metal...well the arguement used for #1 I posted and your idea is the same thing we have now. people don't agree with the death penalty (even if it is PROVEN as fact that they committed a crime)

so in this country....we can't follow singapore's example

I do want to thank those that have posted so far