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Topic: Crime...the cause and cure
Fanta46's photo
Tue 05/12/09 07:47 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 05/12/09 07:49 PM


I havent bashed anyone!
No matter how often you scream it!

I find the articl to offer nothing but gripes about our judical system other than suggestions that a communist system would be better.

I said nothing about a state. LOL

I thought these suggestions were about the Nation!slaphead

They were just put up as an alternative to whaat we have since some seem to think our system doesnt work and if you dont agree with them feel free to offer an allternative instead of tearing apart what you think is wrong with it.


If you go back and actually read my posts
you will see that I did offer suggestions.

Violent crime esp, and all crime in general is at an all time low in America.
I'd say what we are doing is working pretty good.
If anything we are way to quick to punish people with prison sentences way to frequently.
What I mean is, we need to eliminate victimless crimes.



We eliminate the victimless crimes and
Take time to insure the accused's guilt, and then punish!

I have no problem with the death penalty.
Im sure the brutality Im capable of would shock you.
We just need to make sure we aren't executing the innocent in our haste.

Man!
How do y'all ever hear complaining if you dont read the posts!laugh laugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Tue 05/12/09 07:57 PM

fanta...you want to argue and point fingers. sorry but i don't think that song (which happens to be a favorite of mine) is your song at all

done


I like that song but this is my favorite!

Well I won't back down
No I won't back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down

No I'll stand my ground, won't be turned around
And I'll keep this world from draggin me down
gonna stand my ground
... and I won't back down

Chorus:
(I won't back down...)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(and I won't back down...)
hey I will stand my ground
and I won't back down

Well I know what's right, I got just one life
in a world that keeps on pushin me around
but I'll stand my ground
...and I won't back down

(I won't back down...)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(and I won't back down...)
hey I will stand my ground
(I won't back down)
and I won't back down...

(I won't back down...)
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(I won't back down)
hey I won't back down
(and I won't back down)
hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
(and I won't back down)
hey I will stand my ground
(and I won't back down)
and I won't back down
(I won't back down)

yellowrose10's photo
Tue 05/12/09 08:05 PM
ok....so how do we eliminate "victimless" crimes???? and how will that lower violent crimes????

Fanta46's photo
Tue 05/12/09 08:20 PM

ok....so how do we eliminate "victimless" crimes???? and how will that lower violent crimes????


You do away with them!

If there is no victim, there is no crime.

The only way to lower violent crime is the way we are doing it. Education.
Violent crime has been receding for at least a deacde, maybe two, in America!

You'll never eliminate it!

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/13/09 07:27 AM
Edited by adj4u on Wed 05/13/09 07:29 AM

ok....so how do we eliminate "victimless" crimes???? and how will that lower violent crimes????


remove them from the list of crimes and put a tax on the activity or product

and quit taxing or planning to tax things out of reach of 30% of the population

and if those crimes are removed then it will remove the majority of the criminal element that supplies said product or service

thus they will not need to use violence to protect their business


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 05/13/09 08:16 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 05/13/09 08:18 AM
Prisons are full of people who shouldn't be there in the first place.

Victimless crimes, like drug possession and use, are not violations but simply laws against ones liberty and pursuit of happiness. We are in a financial crisis in this country. Although I don't feel the government should have any control over marijuana at all (since it is a plant, a thing of nature), it could be legalized and taxed.

Drug use has always been a choice. There is nothing that says making (all) drugs legal is going to cause more problems. Alcohol and cigs are legal, yet many choose not to use them. Just like "guns don't kill people", it is the individual, not the product that can give something a negative aspect.

Tax evasion.... well, let's not go there but to say, it costs the ones who do pay taxes more to prosecute them usually than they are said to owe.

Non-violent sex crimes, like prostitution or procurement, again, a law against liberty and a pursuit of happiness.

There are so many "stupid" laws that should be removed or changed to allow them, tax them if they must, but not make liberties illegal.

The cost of courts, trials, imprisonment (and other charges like transportation, and the sheer number of people, man hours, and materials used) could be put to much greater use towards other more serious offenses!

Stupidity breeds anger. Remove the object of anger and reduce the problem. Legalize drugs and gangs and druglords are out of work. Less killing, more kids given better options rather than drug dealing by removing its profit potential, again, less crime, and not such an appeal to our young.

Think of how much the government (with our money) spends on its war on drugs! Now think about how removing this victimless crime from the books would benefit schools, health programs and the financial situation in general if it were actually put to good use instead of promoting stupidity and a violation of freedom.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 05/13/09 08:31 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 05/13/09 08:37 AM
As an after thought.....

Why are our prisons like hotels? These people have made a choice to break the laws of our land, yet we think they need color TV, rec rooms, rights and so forth? BS! It's a prison, not a motel! Make prison someplace that nobody wants to go, EVER, and there is a start.

We pay a fortune to house these people and give them luxuries many subject to the tax cost it requires can't afford.

Go to prison, do hard labor, no priviledges, just live in a cage and work! They chose by their actions to be there, make them pay!

Remove victimless crimes from prison time and there will be less crowding, less taxpayer expense and better control over our prisons.

TJN's photo
Wed 05/13/09 08:37 AM

As an after thought.....

Why are our prisons like hotels? These people have made a choice to break the laws of our land, yet we think they need color TV, rec rooms, rights and so forth? BS! It's a prison, not a motel! Make prison someplace that nobody wants to go, EVER, and there is a start.

We pay a fortune to house these people and give them luxuries many subject to the tax cost it requires can't afford.

Go to prison, do hard labor, no priviledges, just live in a cage and work! They chose by their actions to be there, make them pay!

drinker The only problem with that. 4 letters
ACLU

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 05/13/09 08:40 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 05/13/09 08:45 AM


As an after thought.....

Why are our prisons like hotels? These people have made a choice to break the laws of our land, yet we think they need color TV, rec rooms, rights and so forth? BS! It's a prison, not a motel! Make prison someplace that nobody wants to go, EVER, and there is a start.

We pay a fortune to house these people and give them luxuries many subject to the tax cost it requires can't afford.

Go to prison, do hard labor, no priviledges, just live in a cage and work! They chose by their actions to be there, make them pay!

drinker The only problem with that. 4 letters
ACLU


Then let them support the prison system if they want a say about prisoners rights. Put the expense of housing and feeding on them. They'll change their tune.

We are talking criminals here, people who have chosen to violate the rights of others. Their rights need to be stripped when entering prison as they have stripped them from their victims.

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