Topic: What is the future for an Atheist?
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Mon 05/18/09 08:52 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 05/18/09 08:57 PM
Christians with RELATIONSHIP.... DON'T judge Atheists.


Christians DON'T JUDGE ANYONE!!!

Christians with RELATIONSHIP......LOVE atheists.

And LOVE ALL people.

REGARDLESS if they believe ever!!


But....People with just RELIGION .... judge.

Although they may call themselves Christians, also.


But the fruits of the spirit are missing in their lives.

And that's only because......they have no relationship with God yet ....

but only just have religion.


Meaning....they are not Christians...yet.

Just religious folk.


But ....in time, if we Love and Pray for one another.....

God will show the religious folk..their need for relationship..too.

God Loves us all..and wants to see us all saved.....

and see us ALLLL back in RELATIONSHIP with Him.

Including religious folk.
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Mon 05/18/09 08:58 PM

So in the end Atheists will have a bright future ahead of them.

They won't be judged by religions for what they believe in.

Can get governmental seats

Can advertise in peace

and also live a life without being persecuted, thrown in jail, or lessened

That sounds like a promising future for humanity in general.


Wow it is good to dream isn't it!



Come live in England and live your dream!

Well, we are at least a little closer to it here anyway.


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Mon 05/18/09 09:00 PM

What are your personal beliefs of the future for atheists will be?

Will they ever have a position as a Senator, or Supreme Court Judge, or President in the United States?

Will they ever be persecuted in the near future if religion organizations do grow and have the power in government to do so? Or do you think this will never happen?

Will a Atheist be able to advertise their belief on commercials like they are already doing in some parts of Europe?

Will there be more who follow atheism in the future? Let us say a time frame of 50 years from today?

and last but not least

What future does Atheism have? If it has any or profound changes I would like to know your opinion.



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Mon 05/18/09 09:08 PM

Christians with RELATIONSHIP.... DON'T judge Atheists.


Christians DON'T JUDGE ANYONE!!!

Christians with RELATIONSHIP......LOVE atheists.

And LOVE ALL people.

REGARDLESS if they believe ever!!


But....People with just RELIGION .... judge.

Although they may call themselves Christians, also.


But the fruits of the spirit are missing in their lives.

And that's only because......they have no relationship with God yet ....

but only just have religion.


Meaning....they are not Christians...yet.

Just religious folk.


But ....in time, if we Love and Pray for one another.....

God will show the religious folk..their need for relationship..too.

God Loves us all..and wants to see us all saved.....

and see us ALLLL back in RELATIONSHIP with Him.

Including religious folk.
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Having a relationship with God, believing Jesus was his son, and having the bible as gods message, makes you a religious person no matter how you look at it.

Discount Jesus as being Gods son, admit the bible is worthless, and THEN have a relationship with God(a God that we know nothing about whatsoever). THEN the things you are saying will make some kind of sense to me.

Lets assume for a second i am an athiest. Where is it i am going to go when i die?

For if you think that im going to a different place to you, i consider that a judgement.




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Mon 05/18/09 09:18 PM


So in the end Atheists will have a bright future ahead of them.

They won't be judged by religions for what they believe in.

Can get governmental seats

Can advertise in peace

and also live a life without being persecuted, thrown in jail, or lessened

That sounds like a promising future for humanity in general.


Wow it is good to dream isn't it!



Come live in England and live your dream!

Well, we are at least a little closer to it here anyway.




Go England and good job! I hope many countries will follow. I know most of Europe is doing a great job.

I am a German actually. So I know that in Europe they are slowly closing down churches over there and that more people are leaving the mediterrenean mythologies in the historical vaults next to the Greek and Norse mythologies.laugh

The US will take a bit longer before they slowly leave such religions alone. I figure another 50 years at least.

It would be nice to see that Atheists who are interested in politics have a chance to win elections that are not biased on religion thoughts.




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Mon 05/18/09 09:20 PM
Edited by Dan99 on Mon 05/18/09 09:24 PM
Im not sure of the exact religious beliefs of the current and past few British Prime Ministers, in my time there has been Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. All i know is that they have not brought religion into politics to any major extent. Im pretty sure that mostly they have done their best to separate the two.

There have at least been some major politicians in this country that are Athiest. Norman Tebbit was an outspoken one, and he was one of Maggies closest allies and advisors.

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Mon 05/18/09 09:25 PM
Edited by smiless on Mon 05/18/09 09:26 PM

Im not sure of the exact religious beliefs of the current and past few British Prime Ministers, in my time there has been Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. All i know is that they have not brought religion into politics to any major extent. Im pretty sure that mostly they have done their best to separate the two.


Oh yes Europe is a whole different story. Here in the states religion seems to play a big factor in elections.

On presidential campaigns the candidates are always asked about their faith and what they believe in.

The candidates are careful to say the right things so they won't lose on votes.

So it is a wishywashy thing at its best.

I wait for the day that religion will not take a factor in the US. That would be a good sign that the founding fathers who worked so hard to get this country seperated from religious rule into a society where religion isn't important to have to run a country.

Well with that I can only speculate and hope. laugh drinker

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Mon 05/18/09 09:30 PM


Im not sure of the exact religious beliefs of the current and past few British Prime Ministers, in my time there has been Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. All i know is that they have not brought religion into politics to any major extent. Im pretty sure that mostly they have done their best to separate the two.


Oh yes Europe is a whole different story. Here in the states religion seems to play a big factor in elections.

On presidential campaigns the candidates are always asked about their faith and what they believe in.

The candidates are careful to say the right things so they won't lose on votes.

So it is a wishywashy thing at its best.

I wait for the day that religion will not take a factor in the US. That would be a good sign that the founding fathers who worked so hard to get this country seperated from religious rule into a society where religion isn't important to have to run a country.

Well with that I can only speculate and hope. laugh drinker


I guess when a population has a general belief, the politicians will believe the same thing, just because they have to.

Some of them might actually believe, but id bet a lot of money that a load of them are just bullsh!tting!


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Mon 05/18/09 09:32 PM

You may be surprised at how many of the founding fathers were deists only... not Christians.


There were 2. What's the surprise?

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Mon 05/18/09 09:32 PM


The idea that the country was founded upon Christian beliefs is unfounded... wrong! That is Christian revisionism for you.


This Nation was built on Christian PRINCIPLES...

NOT on a Christian RELIGION!!

That's the VERY REASON , that We broke AWAY from the mother

country , where christian RELIGION RULED back then....

( and notice again... it was christian RELIGION we broke away

from.....NOT christian RELATIONSHIP) .

We wanted NO part of a country being under RELIGIOUS RULE.


THat is why religious fredom is allowed in this country...

and any one single religion does NOT rule here.


BUT REGARDLESS,

Christian PRINCIPLES is still the basis on which this country is built...

even though we allow religious freedom of CHOICE for ALL!!!

Just like Christ allows us freedom to CHOOSE Him...or not to choose Him.

Christ doesn't force us to believe on Him either...like religion does.

And When we have RELATIONSHIP with God ,

we ALSO don't force people to believe .

We share with others ....

but then allow others the FREEDOM to CHOOSE...as they will.

As it should be.

Hope this helps clarify.
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Mon 05/18/09 09:35 PM




Christians DON'T JUDGE ANYONE!!!




I'm calling BullS**t.

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Mon 05/25/09 03:31 PM
I think there will certainly be an increase in the Atheist population. They have been on the rise for some time in fact. Thats all I can say and its not much of a prediction because thats been observable for years now. Not as much in the US but in many other nations and Europe in particular there has been a significant increase in people who willfully choose not to identify themselves with any form of organized religion.

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Mon 05/25/09 04:12 PM
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Tue 05/26/09 03:22 AM

There were 2. What's the surprise?


LOL There were more than two. This is from wikipedia:

In the United States, Enlightenment philosophy (which itself was heavily inspired by deist ideals) played a major role in creating the principle of separation of church and state, expressed in Thomas Jefferson's letters, and the principle of religious freedom expressed in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. American Founding Fathers, or Framers of the Constitution, who were especially noted for being influenced by such philosophy include Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Cornelius Harnett, Gouverneur Morris, and Hugh Williamson. Their political speeches show distinct deistic influence. Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, John Adams, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen [33] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout America and Europe). Elihu Palmer (1764-1806) wrote the "Bible" of American deism in his Principles of Nature (1801) and attempted to organize deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York."

Currently[update] there is an ongoing controversy in the United States over whether or not the country was founded as a "Christian nation" based on Judeo-Christian ideals. This has spawned a subsidiary controversy over whether the Founding Fathers were Christians, deists, or something in between.[34] [35] Particularly heated is the debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington. As to whether George Washington was a deist, see this Washington Post book review of two books on the subject. For Jefferson's deism, see the article Was Thomas Jefferson a Deist? by Gene Garman (2001).[36] For Franklin, see Kerry S. Walters, Benjamin Franklin and His Gods (University of Illinois Press, 1999) and also an excerpt from the article Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson.[37]

However, Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist. My arguments perverted some others, particularly Collins and Ralph; but each of them having afterwards wrong'd me greatly without the least compunction, and recollecting Keith's conduct towards me (who was another freethinker) and my own towards Vernon and Miss Read, which at times gave me great trouble, I began to suspect that this doctrine, tho' it might be true, was not very useful."[38] [39]

For his part, Thomas Jefferson is perhaps one of the Founding Fathers with the most outspoken of Deist tendencies, though he more often referred to himself as a Unitarian. In particular, his treatment of the Biblical gospels which he titled The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, but which subsequently became more commonly known as the Jefferson Bible, exhibits a strong deist tendency of stripping away all supernatural and dogmatic references from the Christ story.



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Tue 05/26/09 08:32 PM


Will they ever have a position as a Senator, or Supreme Court Judge, or President in the United States?


How do we know that some have not been?




Would you care to answer the other questions?

Well we know that there hasn't been a President that (claims) he was a atheist. You see what I am trying to figure out is if religion has a major role in getting a person elected in any governmental seat. I say this for I have been reading up on a agnostic scholar who criticized religions and at the time had a hard time getting a governmental seat because of his opinions. This was in 1849 by the way so perhaps times have changed. Or has it not? Primarily what I am getting at is that he didn't get the votes because of his views on religion.

So I really am trying to see if America truly is a democracy in sense that allows everyone the right regardless of their religious affiliation or none at all can truly gain a seat in the government.

Perhaps you can do the research for me concerning any member in Congress that claims he or she is a atheist. That would be interesting.




I don't think we can ever know the real truth about what any president really thought about religion, they know they won't be taken on if they don't say what we want them to about it.

I don't get the impression that Obama for instance really believes the whole religion thing himself. I can't believe some one that smart can be so easily lead by religion, but then again he probably is smart enough to know that if he doesn't come across as religious he wouldn't be where he is now. I don't think...

Did that make sense or do I need sleep? lol

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Wed 05/27/09 02:33 AM
Edited by Zazanna on Wed 05/27/09 02:33 AM
That makes perfect sense. Im not sure about Obama but he strikes me as a very liberal Christian. For all we know he could be an Agnostic. People very often wear labels because they have always worn them and they are afraid not to wear them and in his case, it was necessary to become president. However not all Christians are opposed to research being conducted with the help of infant stem cells and that was the position Obama took.

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Wed 05/27/09 03:15 AM
I think some atheists are in a more favourable position than some so-called religious people.

Who says any religion is correct/true?

They could all just be good [or not so good] sales pitches by Lucifer.

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Wed 05/27/09 03:17 AM
Dan, didn't expect to see you in here debating religious issues, mate!


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Wed 05/27/09 03:29 AM
Atheists are much more popular than people realize these days. I've met more of them than I have Christians/religious fanatics. I'm a Christian but very open-minded to other people's ideas. Because of what I've endured in my life I've questioned enough times if there really is a God because He never seemed to be there when I needed Him. And I also agree with RandomTandem when he stated "Who says any religion is correct/true?" I get sick of different denominations trying to claim that they are right and the others are wrong. Who cares who is right or wrong. It's about what works for each person. flowerforyou

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Wed 05/27/09 03:41 AM

Atheists are much more popular than people realize these days. I've met more of them than I have Christians/religious fanatics. I'm a Christian but very open-minded to other people's ideas. Because of what I've endured in my life I've questioned enough times if there really is a God because He never seemed to be there when I needed Him. And I also agree with RandomTandem when he stated "Who says any religion is correct/true?" I get sick of different denominations trying to claim that they are right and the others are wrong. Who cares who is right or wrong. It's about what works for each person. flowerforyou


Have a lovely day.

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