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it doesnt seem to me that a place of eternal punishment would exist, although it would be reasonable to me if it did, as we studied it,, Hell was referring to an actual place where Hebrews burned things. The Lake of Fire , which is often mentioned, is Satans punishment along with his demons,, and I also dont feel the fire will last forever, even though their torment will. There is no hell in the old testament. Jews at any rate don't believe in hell. Has nothing to do with Hebrews as far as Hebrews are concerned. I looked it up! " According to Judaism, what happens in the next world? As noted, on this subject there is little material. Some of the suggestions about afterlife in Jewish writings and folklore are even humorous. In heaven, one story teaches, Moses sits and teaches Torah all day long. For the righteous people (the tzaddikim), this is heaven; for the evil people, it is hell. Another folktale teaches that in both heaven and hell, human beings cannot bend their elbows. In hell people are perpetually starved; in heaven each person feeds his neighbor. All attempts to describe heaven and hell are, of course, speculative. Because Judaism believes that God is good, it believes that God rewards good people; it does not believe that Adolf Hitler and his victims share the same fate. Beyond that, it is hard to assume much more. We are asked to leave afterlife in God's hands." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/afterlife.html There was no hell in the old testament because people were punished on earth for their disobedience. It was an eye for an eye. |
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it doesnt seem to me that a place of eternal punishment would exist, although it would be reasonable to me if it did, as we studied it,, Hell was referring to an actual place where Hebrews burned things. The Lake of Fire , which is often mentioned, is Satans punishment along with his demons,, and I also dont feel the fire will last forever, even though their torment will. There is no hell in the old testament. Jews at any rate don't believe in hell. Has nothing to do with Hebrews as far as Hebrews are concerned. I looked it up! " According to Judaism, what happens in the next world? As noted, on this subject there is little material. Some of the suggestions about afterlife in Jewish writings and folklore are even humorous. In heaven, one story teaches, Moses sits and teaches Torah all day long. For the righteous people (the tzaddikim), this is heaven; for the evil people, it is hell. Another folktale teaches that in both heaven and hell, human beings cannot bend their elbows. In hell people are perpetually starved; in heaven each person feeds his neighbor. All attempts to describe heaven and hell are, of course, speculative. Because Judaism believes that God is good, it believes that God rewards good people; it does not believe that Adolf Hitler and his victims share the same fate. Beyond that, it is hard to assume much more. We are asked to leave afterlife in God's hands." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/afterlife.html There was no hell in the old testament because people were punished on earth for their disobedience. It was an eye for an eye. Not true. There was no hell in the old testament because there is no mention of hell in the old testament!  There was the afterlife - but it is apparently treated inconsistently - the soul is eternal but there is no explicit mention of heaven or hell actually so it seems. But the essence of your comment that we make our own heaven or hell is embodied in the fables mentioned above. |
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it doesnt seem to me that a place of eternal punishment would exist, although it would be reasonable to me if it did, as we studied it,, Hell was referring to an actual place where Hebrews burned things. The Lake of Fire , which is often mentioned, is Satans punishment along with his demons,, and I also dont feel the fire will last forever, even though their torment will. There is no hell in the old testament. Jews at any rate don't believe in hell. Has nothing to do with Hebrews as far as Hebrews are concerned. I looked it up! " According to Judaism, what happens in the next world? As noted, on this subject there is little material. Some of the suggestions about afterlife in Jewish writings and folklore are even humorous. In heaven, one story teaches, Moses sits and teaches Torah all day long. For the righteous people (the tzaddikim), this is heaven; for the evil people, it is hell. Another folktale teaches that in both heaven and hell, human beings cannot bend their elbows. In hell people are perpetually starved; in heaven each person feeds his neighbor. All attempts to describe heaven and hell are, of course, speculative. Because Judaism believes that God is good, it believes that God rewards good people; it does not believe that Adolf Hitler and his victims share the same fate. Beyond that, it is hard to assume much more. We are asked to leave afterlife in God's hands." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/afterlife.html There was no hell in the old testament because people were punished on earth for their disobedience. It was an eye for an eye. Not true. There was no hell in the old testament because there is no mention of hell in the old testament! There was the afterlife - but it is apparently treated inconsistently - the soul is eternal but there is no explicit mention of heaven or hell actually so it seems. But the essence of your comment that we make our own heaven or hell is embodied in the fables mentioned above. heaven and hell are both mentioned in the bible several times,,,,although heaven(shamayim) has a much more direct translation than hell(usually translated as grave) |
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by the way,,, the idea of an eternal hell is from dantes inferno and not the bible the final 'punishment' is supposed to be a one time,, and very final deal Finally! I'm surprised at all the other 'Christians' who seem to miss this. I thought the biblical hell was a valley in which trash and corpses were left to decay - sometimes uncontrolled fires burned there. I thought the bible said that the non-believers, when they die 'are as when asleep' forever - only the believers have a conscious afterlife in Jesus' presence. No one goes to hell. |
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Another folktale teaches that in both heaven and hell, human beings cannot bend their elbows. In hell people are perpetually starved; in heaven each person feeds his neighbor. Oh, thats just a story to show the importance of love and co-operation. This has nothing to do with any actual concept of the afterlife recorded in the bible, torah, quran, gita, etc etc. This story has been told so widely some people actually think it has something to do with the 'Christian concept of heaven and hell'...its like an urban legend. I'd wager the whole story is less than 200 years old, perhaps much younger. \ |
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by the way,,, the idea of an eternal hell is from dantes inferno and not the bible the final 'punishment' is supposed to be a one time,, and very final deal Finally! I'm surprised at all the other 'Christians' who seem to miss this. I thought the biblical hell was a valley in which trash and corpses were left to decay - sometimes uncontrolled fires burned there. I thought the bible said that the non-believers, when they die 'are as when asleep' forever - only the believers have a conscious afterlife in Jesus' presence. No one goes to hell. exactly, no one goes to hell. If one does not meet the credentials Jesus has set out forth before us, they will cease to exist *die*. Those that do meet those credentials will live for eternity in heaven. Hell was not made for humans, hell was only made for Satan and the angels that followed after him. |
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Here's something to think about. It occurred to me today that there cannot be a place such as Hell, because there would be no one and nothing there, no fallen angels or people in it...for the simple reason that every angel and human being once knew love. It seems only logical to me that love, which is inspired of and by GOD, would have no abiding place in Hell. I'm also convinced that love leaves an ineradicable mark on the individual. No person is so filled with hate that he has never known or expressed love. Even Lucifer loved God too much. Hell, by definition, has to be a place without love. Hence, there is no Hell. Fallacious logic? Maybe. Without resorting to the "authority" of the Bible, explain to me why there is a Hell or could be a Hell Your statement assumes that "Hell has to be a place with no love." This is the basic premise you base your belief on. I disagree with the basic premise you have presented. In considering if there is a hell I take a general and practical view. I don't believe in the eternal hell (after death) as taught by religions, but I suspect that there may be an actual place or places that fit the description of Hell that I have heard very well. Places underground tended by non-human sentient life forms, (draconians perhaps) which are not human. Slave camps and mines deep under ground have been reported by people in Africa that resemble Hell. I think Hell may exist here on earth, underground. |
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Your statement assumes that "Hell has to be a place with no love." This is the basic premise you base your belief on. Yet another contradiction. If Hell is a place with no love, then God cannot send me to hell because I'm a very loving person and if he sent me to hell he would be sending love to hell. So God's in a real pickle. He can't send me to hell because I'm too loving, he can't let me into his heaven because I refuse to condone his act of having his poor son nailed to a pole and I reject any notion that this could have been done on my behalf. Therefore my mere existence forces this God into a corner and his only option is to create yet another place besides heaven and hell in which to send me. This place would necessarily need to be loving, because I'm a loving person, and it would also need to be free from having people nailed to poles. So he would need to create a new place for me, and that place would be nirvana.  And so the fairytale finally ends where I live happily ever after in nirvana. Don't you just love fairytales with beautiful endings? I do, but then again, I'm a very loving person so that's a given. Everywhere I go just turns into pure love. 
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/07/10 08:37 PM
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Your statement assumes that "Hell has to be a place with no love." This is the basic premise you base your belief on. Yet another contradiction. If Hell is a place with no love, then God cannot send me to hell because I'm a very loving person and if he sent me to hell he would be sending love to hell. So God's in a real pickle. He can't send me to hell because I'm too loving, he can't let me into his heaven because I refuse to condone his act of having his poor son nailed to a pole and I reject any notion that this could have been done on my behalf. Therefore my mere existence forces this God into a corner and his only option is to create yet another place besides heaven and hell in which to send me. This place would necessarily need to be loving, because I'm a loving person, and it would also need to be free from having people nailed to poles. So he would need to create a new place for me, and that place would be nirvana. And so the fairytale finally ends where I live happily ever after in nirvana. Don't you just love fairytales with beautiful endings? I do, but then again, I'm a very loving person so that's a given. Everywhere I go just turns into pure love. Of course you realize and I realize that God does not send anyone anywhere. We are free souls and we go where we think. We may even manifest a universe of our very own with our minds.  You can come visit mine. |
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"How Adam and Eve Reincarnated into 6 Billion Souls" is another topic you might enjoy ripping into. From what I've seen here, only two will agree with my viewpoint. The others will use it as a launch pad for their own understanding of the afterlife. Last one there doesn't get reincarnated.
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it doesnt seem to me that a place of eternal punishment would exist, although it would be reasonable to me if it did, as we studied it,, Hell was referring to an actual place where Hebrews burned things. The Lake of Fire , which is often mentioned, is Satans punishment along with his demons,, and I also dont feel the fire will last forever, even though their torment will. There is no hell in the old testament. Jews at any rate don't believe in hell. Has nothing to do with Hebrews as far as Hebrews are concerned. I looked it up! " According to Judaism, what happens in the next world? As noted, on this subject there is little material. Some of the suggestions about afterlife in Jewish writings and folklore are even humorous. In heaven, one story teaches, Moses sits and teaches Torah all day long. For the righteous people (the tzaddikim), this is heaven; for the evil people, it is hell. Another folktale teaches that in both heaven and hell, human beings cannot bend their elbows. In hell people are perpetually starved; in heaven each person feeds his neighbor. All attempts to describe heaven and hell are, of course, speculative. Because Judaism believes that God is good, it believes that God rewards good people; it does not believe that Adolf Hitler and his victims share the same fate. Beyond that, it is hard to assume much more. We are asked to leave afterlife in God's hands." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/afterlife.html There was no hell in the old testament because people were punished on earth for their disobedience. It was an eye for an eye. I would rather prefer the eye for the eye than to live in Hell for eternity because I didn't make it to church. So then, did God create Hell or did the Devil create it? Just wondering. Or is the idea of Hell just a form of threat or extortion? |
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it doesnt seem to me that a place of eternal punishment would exist, although it would be reasonable to me if it did, as we studied it,, Hell was referring to an actual place where Hebrews burned things. The Lake of Fire , which is often mentioned, is Satans punishment along with his demons,, and I also dont feel the fire will last forever, even though their torment will. There is no hell in the old testament. Jews at any rate don't believe in hell. Has nothing to do with Hebrews as far as Hebrews are concerned. I looked it up! " According to Judaism, what happens in the next world? As noted, on this subject there is little material. Some of the suggestions about afterlife in Jewish writings and folklore are even humorous. In heaven, one story teaches, Moses sits and teaches Torah all day long. For the righteous people (the tzaddikim), this is heaven; for the evil people, it is hell. Another folktale teaches that in both heaven and hell, human beings cannot bend their elbows. In hell people are perpetually starved; in heaven each person feeds his neighbor. All attempts to describe heaven and hell are, of course, speculative. Because Judaism believes that God is good, it believes that God rewards good people; it does not believe that Adolf Hitler and his victims share the same fate. Beyond that, it is hard to assume much more. We are asked to leave afterlife in God's hands." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/afterlife.html There was no hell in the old testament because people were punished on earth for their disobedience. It was an eye for an eye. I would rather prefer the eye for the eye than to live in Hell for eternity because I didn't make it to church. So then, did God create Hell or did the Devil create it? Just wondering. Or is the idea of Hell just a form of threat or extortion? God created hell for Satan's punishment and the angels that followed after him. That is why no human person will ever go to hell, hell was not made for man. Was made for a holding cell for Satan till the end of times when he will be cast into the lake of fire. |
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God created hell for Satan's punishment and the angels that followed after him. That is why no human person will ever go to hell, hell was not made for man. Was made for a holding cell for Satan till the end of times when he will be cast into the lake of fire. Why wait until the end times? Surely a god would be able to do something like that whenever he wanted. So, why wait? |
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God created hell for Satan's punishment and the angels that followed after him. That is why no human person will ever go to hell, hell was not made for man. Was made for a holding cell for Satan till the end of times when he will be cast into the lake of fire. Why wait until the end times? Surely a god would be able to do something like that whenever he wanted. So, why wait? because Satan and everyone that followed after him will be thrown into the lake of fire. Hell is a punishment for Satan and his wrong doings in heaven. Would be to easy on him to just through him in the lake of fire immediately, that would be little pain for just a time being. In hell there is pain and torment all the time for him. |
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God created hell for Satan's punishment and the angels that followed after him. That is why no human person will ever go to hell, hell was not made for man. Was made for a holding cell for Satan till the end of times when he will be cast into the lake of fire. Why wait until the end times? Surely a god would be able to do something like that whenever he wanted. So, why wait? because Satan and everyone that followed after him will be thrown into the lake of fire. Hell is a punishment for Satan and his wrong doings in heaven. Would be to easy on him to just through him in the lake of fire immediately, that would be little pain for just a time being. In hell there is pain and torment all the time for him. I'm assuming that the Lake of Fire is meant as Capitol Punishment(Death Penalty), you can't kill something that you plan on torturing something "for all time". But that still doesn't answer my question. Why play this game? Why not make the checkmate move as soon as possible? I don't understand the waiting.. |
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God created hell for Satan's punishment and the angels that followed after him. That is why no human person will ever go to hell, hell was not made for man. Was made for a holding cell for Satan till the end of times when he will be cast into the lake of fire. Why wait until the end times? Surely a god would be able to do something like that whenever he wanted. So, why wait? because Satan and everyone that followed after him will be thrown into the lake of fire. Hell is a punishment for Satan and his wrong doings in heaven. Would be to easy on him to just through him in the lake of fire immediately, that would be little pain for just a time being. In hell there is pain and torment all the time for him. I'm assuming that the Lake of Fire is meant as Capitol Punishment(Death Penalty), you can't kill something that you plan on torturing something "for all time". But that still doesn't answer my question. Why play this game? Why not make the checkmate move as soon as possible? I don't understand the waiting.. because if God sent Satan to the lake of fire now, what punishment would that be? NONE. He would just cease to exist. With Satan in hell he is punished and tortured ALL the time until hell is destroyed so that earth will be like in heaven. |
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God created hell for Satan's punishment and the angels that followed after him. That is why no human person will ever go to hell, hell was not made for man. Was made for a holding cell for Satan till the end of times when he will be cast into the lake of fire. Why wait until the end times? Surely a god would be able to do something like that whenever he wanted. So, why wait? because Satan and everyone that followed after him will be thrown into the lake of fire. Hell is a punishment for Satan and his wrong doings in heaven. Would be to easy on him to just through him in the lake of fire immediately, that would be little pain for just a time being. In hell there is pain and torment all the time for him. I'm assuming that the Lake of Fire is meant as Capitol Punishment(Death Penalty), you can't kill something that you plan on torturing something "for all time". But that still doesn't answer my question. Why play this game? Why not make the checkmate move as soon as possible? I don't understand the waiting.. and yeah the lake of fire is pretty much like the death penalty. And who ever said Satan will be tortured and quote "for all time"? |
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I'm not trying to be snarky, nor am I out to expose inconsistencies in theists beliefs at every turn, I'm honestly curious about this 'holding cell' idea. It seems that most christians think they are being periodically tempted by satan.
So how does this work? I assumed that a holding cell for satan would prevent satan from tempting people. |
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I'm not trying to be snarky, nor am I out to expose inconsistencies in theists beliefs at every turn, I'm honestly curious about this 'holding cell' idea. It seems that most christians think they are being periodically tempted by satan. So how does this work? I assumed that a holding cell for satan would prevent satan from tempting people. Hmm. |
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I'm not trying to be snarky, nor am I out to expose inconsistencies in theists beliefs at every turn, I'm honestly curious about this 'holding cell' idea. It seems that most christians think they are being periodically tempted by satan. So how does this work? I assumed that a holding cell for satan would prevent satan from tempting people. Not exactly, hell is there to hold Satan and Satan is here to give us obstacles to overcome. For if Satan didn't temp us to do evil things and or cause havoc here, earth would be like in heaven. So why create us here in the first place, why not just create us in heaven? God doesn't do this for Heaven is a gift, it's not a given. We have to earn our right into heaven. |
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