no it is unforgiven because when one denies God their names are scratched out of the book of life, so in terms they won't even go in front of Jesus for judgment anyways.

Love your passion brother. I am not gathered anywhere in the lords name. I just wanted to see Jeanniebean in her wizard hat.......

Well then it's not an "unforgivable" sin.

Just yet another oxymoron!

No wonder people invented the Flying Spaghetti Monster to mock it. It truly is that lame.

you might not have done it intentionally, but you are gathered. You did not just come to see Jeanniebean in her wizard hate cause you have been sitting here discussing with me. You might be able to say that is the only thing that you CAME to do, but that's not all you did.

There are many kinds of death, one of which is the death of the physical body.

But you should not try to rewrite the words of the Bible. If it says the wages of sin is death, then that is what it means.

Was Jesus denied the gift of heaven? If he was not, then he never did actually die for our sins did he?

If he never did die, then why do so many people swear that Jesus died for our sins?

Actually it is. Makes me smile...........

Jesus did not die for our sins, Jesus was crucified and sacrificed for our sins.

I'm not here in the "lord's" name.

I'm here to explain to rational people why Jesus had to have been a Mahayana Buddhist and could not have been the son of the ficticious mythological god called Yahweh.

I'm here to reveal why Jesus could not have possibly been the "Lord".

I'm here to DENY that Jesus was the "Lord". The only unforgivable sin remember?

The unforgivable sin that I still have time to be forgiven for?

Well everyone has their opinions. You speak as if you are an absolute authority on God and Jesus. What makes you so certain that you are right?

Sorry, but I don't recognize your authority.

I have no authority over anyone. Only spreading what god has already said.

You must be studying a different religion. 99% of all Christians will tell you that Jesus died for our sins.

and when you "sacrifice" something, does it not normally get er.... killed?

You cannot, with any authority, spread what god has already said if you personally did not hear him say it. If you claim that power, then you are setting yourself up as god's messenger and I think the Pope already has claim to that job.

I only explained that way to explain what it meens by saying Jesus died for us. Cause their are two types of deaths. There is a spiritual death and a physical death. Physical death is what we see on earth when a human person passes away. Spiritual death is when one does not make it to heaven. Which is in reference of the only reward for sin is death comes in.

God speaks to us all. That little negative/scarey feeling you get when you do something wrong is God speaking to you telling that it is wrong, eg, conscience. Is why some people have a better conscience then others, they have more faith.

But ONLY if you are willing to condone and accept that this be done on your behalf. If you refuse to condone and accept it, then it doesn't apply to you and therefore wasn't done for you.

I personally neither condone it, nor accept it. Therefore Jesus could not possibly have died for my sins because I refuse to permit it.

And this would hold true even if I believed the story.

The bottom line is pretty simple. If you're not willing to nail Jesus to the pole yourself, then you also reject his sacrifice on your behalf.

So by accepting his sacrifice on your behalf you are saying that you'd be willing to nail him to the pole yourself to pay for your sins.

You see, I refuse to do that in any case. I would chose to perish before I would nail Jesus to a pole. Therefore I CANNOT accept this sacrifice on my behalf. I must accept death instead.

That's just me, and my principles.

If you have no problem nailing Jesus to the pole to save your own butt, more power to you. But I reject the offer and refuse to condone this act of violence on my behalf.

I accept death. That's my choice. I was my hands from any blood of Jesus.

So even if the fable were true, it would be utterly useless to me. God would lose a potential eternal servant because I would reject his game plan.

So you're telling me things are only the way you think they are? So if you was to think the world was flat the world would be flat? If you believed the sun wouldn't come up tomarrow it wouldn't? You think you could just jump off a building and fly you could?

That's what you're saying, you're saying if you accept it and condone it that it is true, i suggest trying this theory out.

Clearly this is your opinion, but it's certainly not mine.

I've met atheists who have extremely high morals and conscience, and I've met devout religious people who have very low morals and conscience.

So I've observed first hand that a level of faith in a God has nothing at all to do with a level of conscience.

Oh I don't suppose you would even consider that we, as humans having free will, are (or could ever be) intelligent or kind enough to know (or learn) right from wrong on our own accord, or be able to actually think and feel for ourselves as individuals.

When you say that "God speaks to us all" you are making an extremely broad statement which encompasses all religious beliefs and many different concepts of what "God" is.

If having a conscience is proof that God is speaking to us, then your spreading a message of what God has said is no more credible than anyone else's and is still just your interpretation of what you feel this God has communicated to you personally. I do understand that.

But you must understand that everything that you say with such certainty is taken as your personal opinion, and I expect that you take anything that I say as my personal opinion.

All too often people want to blame the devil for all the evil and give credit to God for all the good, which leaves them having no responsibility at all for the state of this world and their own lives.

I think it is time that we as humans took full and complete responsibility for everything. Give us some credit for knowing right from wrong. Stop making up Gods who make rules for us. Stop terrorizing us with stories of eternal damnation and Hell. Stop making promises of a perfect world you call "heaven" where there is no pain or sin. A perfect world such as that would not be conducive to growth, in fact it would be quite boring after a few hundred years.

We, as humans need challenges. We need problems to solve. We need to think for ourselves. We don't need to be saved.

You clearly aren't comprehending what I'm saying because I'm not saying anything close to what you have described.

I'm saying that even if the fairytale were true, I would still reject this God's plan, and choose to perish rather than condone his sick demented tricks.

I would reject the offer of having Jesus nailed to a pole for my sake.

How is it that you cannot comprehend such a simple idea?