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I want to add to this thread,, that regardless of ones faith, beliefs,,etc,,,,they will NOT have all answers for every question. This does not equate to being fearful of answering. As a true believer, I cannot answer every question a non believer has because my answers come from something they do not believe in. Therefore finding a reference upon which to explain becomes difficult. All I can say at those times, is that they have to seek the answers as I did, but I let God lead my heart, which makes that answer unacceptable to most non believers... I don't expect anyone to have the "correct answers." I simply want to understand how a so-called "true believer" came to believe something so unbelievable. How do they justify their belief in their own minds? I have faith that we are here, and we got here some way unknown to me. I imagine all kinds of possibilities that seem reasonable to me, although I don't have proof. But I want to know HOW a person comes to believe literally, that god created a man from clay and woman from the man's rib. What do they think that actually means? Have they thought about it at all or do they believe it in the literal sense? I want to know if they believe that God impregnated Mary and bore a son, then have they given any thought at all about how he did that in reality? If so, I would like to hear just their ideas. I don't expect them to be the truth or the correct answers. I just want to know HOW or IF they reasoned it out in any way at all and came to a conclusion that it is truth. I do not accept they they really believe it just because an authority figure, (the Bible or a Preacher) told them. That is not good enough. That is just a person accepting and bowing to authority. It is not a person who actually THINKS. well you got some questions for our belief, i want to ask a question about atheism. Not sure exactly what kind of ahtiest you are but most atheist believe we evolved from apes/primates. Well if that were true where did the cells and everything that makes up anything and everything come from? Well mainly my question would have to be where do you think we came from? so i can make appropriate questions. I don't know much about atheism, so you are probably asking the wrong person. It has been proven that we and everything we are made up of, literally came from the stars. We are made up of exactly the same material that star dust is made of when you break us down to the barest of elements. I believe that consciousness came first, bursting out of its limited dimensional reality and warping space and the energy converted to matter, stars, planets, elements, etc. We evolved from there into all manner of life and intelligence, not in a mindless hap hazard way but guided by intelligent consciousness. ok good, this will be easier then :) Where did this material come from? Something CANNOT come from nothing without outside help, even the worldly science will tell you that. Where did the stars and all that material come from? and no offense ment by the atheist comment earlier, didn't know of your exact stance. It comes from a completely different reality. All realities are manifestations of consciousness. where did these realities come from? Again something can NOT be created from nothing, something can't just appear/start without outside help. You are not reading what I am writing. You are simply playing a game. All realities are manifestations of consciousness. All things come from consciousness. |
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I want to add to this thread,, that regardless of ones faith, beliefs,,etc,,,,they will NOT have all answers for every question. This does not equate to being fearful of answering. As a true believer, I cannot answer every question a non believer has because my answers come from something they do not believe in. Therefore finding a reference upon which to explain becomes difficult. All I can say at those times, is that they have to seek the answers as I did, but I let God lead my heart, which makes that answer unacceptable to most non believers... I don't expect anyone to have the "correct answers." I simply want to understand how a so-called "true believer" came to believe something so unbelievable. How do they justify their belief in their own minds? I have faith that we are here, and we got here some way unknown to me. I imagine all kinds of possibilities that seem reasonable to me, although I don't have proof. But I want to know HOW a person comes to believe literally, that god created a man from clay and woman from the man's rib. What do they think that actually means? Have they thought about it at all or do they believe it in the literal sense? I want to know if they believe that God impregnated Mary and bore a son, then have they given any thought at all about how he did that in reality? If so, I would like to hear just their ideas. I don't expect them to be the truth or the correct answers. I just want to know HOW or IF they reasoned it out in any way at all and came to a conclusion that it is truth. I do not accept they they really believe it just because an authority figure, (the Bible or a Preacher) told them. That is not good enough. That is just a person accepting and bowing to authority. It is not a person who actually THINKS. well you got some questions for our belief, i want to ask a question about atheism. Not sure exactly what kind of ahtiest you are but most atheist believe we evolved from apes/primates. Well if that were true where did the cells and everything that makes up anything and everything come from? Well mainly my question would have to be where do you think we came from? so i can make appropriate questions. I don't know much about atheism, so you are probably asking the wrong person. It has been proven that we and everything we are made up of, literally came from the stars. We are made up of exactly the same material that star dust is made of when you break us down to the barest of elements. I believe that consciousness came first, bursting out of its limited dimensional reality and warping space and the energy converted to matter, stars, planets, elements, etc. We evolved from there into all manner of life and intelligence, not in a mindless hap hazard way but guided by intelligent consciousness. ok good, this will be easier then :) Where did this material come from? Something CANNOT come from nothing without outside help, even the worldly science will tell you that. Where did the stars and all that material come from? and no offense ment by the atheist comment earlier, didn't know of your exact stance. It comes from a completely different reality. All realities are manifestations of consciousness. where did these realities come from? Again something can NOT be created from nothing, something can't just appear/start without outside help. You are not reading what I am writing. You are simply playing a game. All realities are manifestations of consciousness. All things come from consciousness. first off sorry for misreading your comment, but question still remains........ where does this consciousness come from? I'm not playing games either, these are seriouse questions. I myself had these questions long while ago till i found the answers. |
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Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/08/10 01:33 PM
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Yes, that is similar to how I have thought of it. Except I see this world as Gods creation, not his dream. I see dreams as intangible and unreal and if they become real they have to do so by tangible means. I am at peace with not having a technological understanding of how God does what he does. The foundation of my beliefs, that these things were designed intelligently, leads me to believe that God is of an intelligence that I wouldnt dare try to explain or understand,,because it is not knowledge that I can duplicate or utilize and therefore not knowledge that is necessary for me. Thoughts are things, and dreams are real. What could make a dream real? Okay, what makes this dream (our reality) real is its integrity and duration in relation to our life spans. Also, the five senses of touching, seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling make this seem like reality. If you were to go into a coma and in your mind created a dream reality, and you were given a drug to enhance your five senses, and if your dream could be stabilized to maintain its integrity, then you have literally created your own reality. You may not be able to tell that it was just a dream. So this dream is our reality. It is a very convincing one too. I think we did a wonderful job on it! It is indeed a marvelous creation!  |
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first off sorry for misreading your comment, but question still remains........ where does this consciousness come from? I'm not playing games either, these are seriouse questions. I myself had these questions long while ago till i found the answers. Cowboy, Now you have gone beyond your own ability to answer similar questions. This question would be the same as my asking you where does your God come from. Yes you are playing games. |
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first off sorry for misreading your comment, but question still remains........ where does this consciousness come from? I'm not playing games either, these are seriouse questions. I myself had these questions long while ago till i found the answers. Cowboy, Now you have gone beyond your own ability to answer similar questions. This question would be the same as my asking you where does your God come from. Yes you are playing games. no because i can answere that question... And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. revelations 21:6 |
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first off sorry for misreading your comment, but question still remains........ where does this consciousness come from? I'm not playing games either, these are seriouse questions. I myself had these questions long while ago till i found the answers. Cowboy, Now you have gone beyond your own ability to answer similar questions. This question would be the same as my asking you where does your God come from. Yes you are playing games. no because i can answere that question... And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. revelations 21:6 How does that answer the question? |
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first off sorry for misreading your comment, but question still remains........ where does this consciousness come from? I'm not playing games either, these are seriouse questions. I myself had these questions long while ago till i found the answers. Cowboy, Now you have gone beyond your own ability to answer similar questions. This question would be the same as my asking you where does your God come from. Yes you are playing games. no because i can answere that question... And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. revelations 21:6 How does that answer the question? because that verse right there states God wasn't "created" he has always been and always will be. So the question where does he come from would be irrelevant. That is how that answeres the question. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 06/08/10 01:43 PM
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed.
The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. |
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. |
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before we go further with this, i want to also mention that evidence is only evidence if people ACCEPT it as such. That applies to all eg., evidence of a crime isn't evidence less the people are willing to accept it as such.
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. There are a lot of things that exist on other planets. I don't think you get the concept of 'nothing." When I say nothing I mean nothing. A planet is a planet, it is not nothing. |
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. There are a lot of things that exist on other planets. I don't think you get the concept of 'nothing." When I say nothing I mean nothing. A planet is a planet, it is not nothing. will the conversation between you and i is finished. You will only get to know the lord if you accept him. And i can't MAKE you do that, that is a thing you'll have to do if you wish to know him. Any posts from here would be bout pointless cause anyone can say things in responce if they are a none believer. So i pray you have a good life and find God before it's to late. |
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Jeanniebean
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. Your statement above is a huge assumption. You cannot possibly know that for a fact. It also shows me how very limited and narrow your thinking is. There are billions of stars, and galaxies with unknown countless planets around them. To make a statement like that is really ...er... ignorant. |
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Jeanniebean
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. There are a lot of things that exist on other planets. I don't think you get the concept of 'nothing." When I say nothing I mean nothing. A planet is a planet, it is not nothing. will the conversation between you and i is finished. You will only get to know the lord if you accept him. And i can't MAKE you do that, that is a thing you'll have to do if you wish to know him. Any posts from here would be bout pointless cause anyone can say things in responce if they are a none believer. So i pray you have a good life and find God before it's to late. I'm just too much for you to handle I guess. You are backing down with that old crap about praying for me. I don't need your prayers for a good life. I have a good life already. You are a non believer. You failed the test. |
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. Your statement above is a huge assumption. You cannot possibly know that for a fact. It also shows me how very limited and narrow your thinking is. There are billions of stars, and galaxies with unknown countless planets around them. To make a statement like that is really ...er... ignorant. sry not intended this way, but you had a good point and the same goes for you bout God...........Your statement above is a huge assumption. You cannot possibly know that for a fact. It also shows me how very limited and narrow your thinking is Always remember God loves you and wants you to come home. |
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I would say the same thing about consciousness. It was never 'created' either. It has always existed. The proof is here: Nothing cannot "exist." Therefore consciousness exists. sure nothing can exist. Nothing exists on alot of planets. And no life forms exist on any other planet but this one. So that shows the fallacy of your comment. Your statement above is a huge assumption. You cannot possibly know that for a fact. It also shows me how very limited and narrow your thinking is. There are billions of stars, and galaxies with unknown countless planets around them. To make a statement like that is really ...er... ignorant. sry not intended this way, but you had a good point and the same goes for you bout God...........Your statement above is a huge assumption. You cannot possibly know that for a fact. It also shows me how very limited and narrow your thinking is Always remember God loves you and wants you to come home. The same goes for me about god? What does that mean? You are the only one who claims to know God and thinks he knows the truth about everything. What a bunch of bull. |
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msharmony
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I think these discussions often turn into a who can keep espousing their philisophical concepts the longest,,,noone wins or loses, there is no test,,,
we all start and finish, believing what we believe for OUR personal reasons and it becomes hard to believe someone is seeking to understand when ones explanation for their belief is constantly met with mere counter points and insults,,,(everyone doesnt do this, Im just generalizing) I think, when people want to truly understand something,, they listen or read with the mind of enlightenment which is ready to absorb and not with a mind of belittlement that is ready to attack,,, sometimes it is wise to know when to throw in the towel when it seems like the audience isnt 'listening' and only wishes to be heard |
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I think, when people want to truly understand something,, they listen or read with the mind of enlightenment which is ready to absorb and not with a mind of belittlement that is ready to attack,,, This is why Christains do not have open minds. They support only the Biblical story of God and basically "attack" all other possible scenarios by simply demanding that the Bible MUST BE the WORD of God, and that Jesus MUST BE the sacrificial lamb of this God. That demand, is truly the same as belittlement of every other possible idea. By demanding that this MUST BE TRUE, they are simultaneously demanding that all other views of God MUST BE FALSE. So clearly Christians are not interested in understanding anything. All they are interested in is supporting a SINGLE IDEA: The Hebrews speak for GOD, and Jesus was the SON of God. Period AMEN! They don't even consider that anything else could possibly be true. That's a very CLOSED MIND that is indeed ready to ATTACK. They ATTACK any suggestion at all that their conclusions about the Bible might not be true. |
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I don't just want to know what you believe, I want to know and understand why you believe it.
Getting that out of some people is harder than pulling teeth, if not just impossible. |
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I think, when people want to truly understand something,, they listen or read with the mind of enlightenment which is ready to absorb and not with a mind of belittlement that is ready to attack,,, This is why Christains do not have open minds. They support only the Biblical story of God and basically "attack" all other possible scenarios by simply demanding that the Bible MUST BE the WORD of God, and that Jesus MUST BE the sacrificial lamb of this God. That demand, is truly the same as belittlement of every other possible idea. By demanding that this MUST BE TRUE, they are simultaneously demanding that all other views of God MUST BE FALSE. So clearly Christians are not interested in understanding anything. All they are interested in is supporting a SINGLE IDEA: The Hebrews speak for GOD, and Jesus was the SON of God. Period AMEN! They don't even consider that anything else could possibly be true. That's a very CLOSED MIND that is indeed ready to ATTACK. They ATTACK any suggestion at all that their conclusions about the Bible might not be true. I didnt generalize,,,I consider myself a believer in Christ and Gods Glory and I dont come here with a mind to attack. I dont go into the philosophy threads and continuously demand people defend their philosophies, I dont believe I have even asked a non believer why or how it is that they dont believe. I am asked many questions about my faith however, and my responses are usually met with some belittlement or attack,,,just the notion that someone should feel the right to TEST anothers belief,, is pretty pompous,,,, but thats just my opinion,,, I do believe Christ is the son of God. It impacts me in no way if someone else does or not. If they ask me whey I believe it I will tell them,, but nine times out of ten,, if they dont believe, they will manage to belittle my reasoning,,,,, all while implying that it is the christian who is most judgmental,,,,,, I dont get it,,, we are all human and we cant answer every question and those we do answer wont always make sense to everyone,,,but truly, can you blame anyone who gets tired of going around and around the same points over and over,,,how many different ways and times must one give their answers before they have passed the 'test'? |
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