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Edited by
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I don't accept death.
I will live forever. If not here on this planet, then somewhere else. |
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God speaks to us all. That little negative/scarey feeling you get when you do something wrong is God speaking to you telling that it is wrong, eg, conscience. Is why some people have a better conscience then others, they have more faith. Clearly this is your opinion, but it's certainly not mine. I've met atheists who have extremely high morals and conscience, and I've met devout religious people who have very low morals and conscience. So I've observed first hand that a level of faith in a God has nothing at all to do with a level of conscience. "christian" is just a tittle atheists and people that believe otherwise has given to someone. Just because one is a christian, does NOT meen they are a good person they have just taken that title for any of multiple reasoning. It's not about being a "christian" it's about following the word of God to the best of your ability. I'll tell you straight up, i'm not a christian. I do not take a tittle for my followings of our great father. |
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I'm not a Christian either. I see we have something in common. LOL |
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But of course "Christian" is a title or label. You Cowboy, can say you are not a Christian, but by definition, you are because you believe in the Bible and in Jesus as the son of God. That is what a Christian is. You can also say you are not a man, but saying it don't make it so. It is what is between your legs that determines that label. |
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Oh I don't suppose you would even consider that we, as humans having free will, are (or could ever be) intelligent or kind enough to know (or learn) right from wrong on our own accord, or be able to actually think and feel for ourselves as individuals. When you say that "God speaks to us all" you are making an extremely broad statement which encompasses all religious beliefs and many different concepts of what "God" is. If having a conscience is proof that God is speaking to us, then your spreading a message of what God has said is no more credible than anyone else's and is still just your interpretation of what you feel this God has communicated to you personally. I do understand that. But you must understand that everything that you say with such certainty is taken as your personal opinion, and I expect that you take anything that I say as my personal opinion. All too often people want to blame the devil for all the evil and give credit to God for all the good, which leaves them having no responsibility at all for the state of this world and their own lives. I think it is time that we as humans took full and complete responsibility for everything. Give us some credit for knowing right from wrong. Stop making up Gods who make rules for us. Stop terrorizing us with stories of eternal damnation and Hell. Stop making promises of a perfect world you call "heaven" where there is no pain or sin. A perfect world such as that would not be conducive to growth, in fact it would be quite boring after a few hundred years. We, as humans need challenges. We need problems to solve. We need to think for ourselves. We don't need to be saved. Bravo!  |
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Thank you,
Thank you very much.  (bows and exits stage left) |
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But of course "Christian" is a title or label. You Cowboy, can say you are not a Christian, but by definition, you are because you believe in the Bible and in Jesus as the son of God. That is what a Christian is. You can also say you are not a man, but saying it don't make it so. It is what is between your legs that determines that label. Truly, Any person who believe that Jesus was "The Christ", is by definition, a Christian. Whether they are a Good Christian or a Bad Christian is totally irrelevent. All that is required to be a "Christian" is to believe that Jesus was indeed the sacrificial lamb of Yahweh. And Cowboy clearly believes that. Thus, by definition, he's a Christian. I can never be a Christian, because I cannot believe that that the Old stories of Yahweh are divine, much less that Jesus was the son of this mythological Yahweh. So it's basically impossible for me to ever become a "Christian" in that sense. Even if I followed the teachings of Jesus to a "T", the best I could hope to become is a Mahayana Buddhist.  Following the teachings of Jesus does not make one a "Christian", what makes a person a Christian is the simple belief that Jesus was "The Christ". |
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Churches have turn into a tax free business. Who wouldn't want part of that. I am old enough to remember to remember the small churches helping the less fortunate. I am sure it still happens probably out in the country. Not nearly enough........  yeah... holding food just out of reach while holding the bible pressed into their face. "Come on, recite psalm 14 and you get a bite." I beg your pardon? where do you get that? Ignorance is, indeed, bliss. |
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I don't accept death. I will live forever. If not here on this planet, then somewhere else. I know that I'm eternal too. But that's beside the point. I was just saying that given the biblical scenario I would choose death. Fortunately, the biblical scenario is just folklore from a spiritually sick society, so I won't be given such a gruesome ultimatum by some overly egotistical Zeus-like God. I was just pointing out how absurd that scenario is. It's far from divine. It's just plain sick. |
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its not lawyering, its just my studies and interpretation so it wont surprise you that I dont find that discourse to be disrespectful,,,,, I don't know about you, but if I'd have tried that little tantrum on *my* mother, I'd have been sent out to 'cut a switch' from one of the trees on the lower 20 acres when my father got home. As to the 'mother AND father' dodge, can you just see someone standing before the Almighty on Judgement Day using that one? "Verily." -Kerry O. ummmm,,,,what? What? You've never heard of "Spare the rod, spoil the child?" To 'cut a switch' means the child is forced by his parents to cut the very tree branch used to flog them. As to the 'mother AND father' quote, I think you know very well that I was referring to your quote where you try to pass off the idea that it's not a sin unless one _simultaneously_ disrespects _both_ parents at the same time. C'mon. That's a line on par with the Bill Clinton 'depends on what the definition of 'is' is' wrangling for legal technicalities. It's patently ridiculous to think that would get past ANY judge, much less a divine one. -Kerry O. I think my point was missed... I was speaking of the verse posted concerning what Jesus spoke to Mary. I was not implying that one has to simultaneously disrespect both parents to be sinning. I was stating that GOD has to come first, as does Gods plan, even before our parents,,,which put Jesus in a special category being that his Father(according to my belief) was God. The other part of why I was questioning your use of the word tantrum is because I apparently have a different idea of what constitutes a tantrum and I dont believe that a GROWN person asking their parent why they have done something constitutes disrespect ... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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No disrespect to anyone, but I am curious how a man, a human, (Jesus) can be fathered by a God that no one has ever seen.
Scientifically, I would like it explained by someone who actually believes this took place. If you can't explain it scientifically, then see if you can explain the "magic" of a "God" impregnating a human (virgin) woman. Believe it or not there have been cases of women becoming pregnant and not remembering how they got that way. There are cases of women who have symptoms of being abducted by aliens and turning up pregnant. There is also a drug that removes several hours of your memory that is currently being used in hospitals! This drug also has a counterpart known as the date rape drug used by people on the street. I find it unbelievable that some people who would normally laugh and make fun of me for believing in conspiracy theories, magic and aliens think it is perfectly fine and acceptable to believe that a God came to earth and caused a woman to get pregnant. It's a lot less logical than my beliefs. I simply don't believe they actually believe that. If anyone does actually believe that, I have not found a single person who would dare to speculate exactly how that happened in reality in real time. |
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No disrespect to anyone, but I am curious how a man, a human, (Jesus) can be fathered by a God that no one has ever seen. Scientifically, I would like it explained by someone who actually believes this took place. If you can't explain it scientifically, then see if you can explain the "magic" of a "God" impregnating a human (virgin) woman. Believe it or not there have been cases of women becoming pregnant and not remembering how they got that way. There are cases of women who have symptoms of being abducted by aliens and turning up pregnant. There is also a drug that removes several hours of your memory that is currently being used in hospitals! This drug also has a counterpart known as the date rape drug used by people on the street. I find it unbelievable that some people who would normally laugh and make fun of me for believing in conspiracy theories, magic and aliens think it is perfectly fine and acceptable to believe that a God came to earth and caused a woman to get pregnant. It's a lot less logical than my beliefs. I simply don't believe they actually believe that. If anyone does actually believe that, I have not found a single person who would dare to speculate exactly how that happened in reality in real time. Well, as you well know, I personally don't believe that Jesus was even the Son of Yahweh, much less that he was born of a virgin. However, I will say this much. If there is such a thing as a magician God who can do anything he so desires using supernatural means, then it would certainly be no problem for him to fertilize an egg in a woman. The problem with these supposed miracles is that this would be the same God who just stands by and allows tens of thousands of women to be tortured and burned alive as witches for 300 years IN HIS NAME, whilst he sits by and does NOTHING. Such a God would be utterly dispicable, IMHO. So, from my point of view, it doesn't really matter how this magician could make a woman pregnant. If he's so insensitive to human pain and suffering that he just sits by and allows atrocities to take place, even in HIS NAME, then he's lost my respect (as if he ever had it). A God who can do anything, and does nothing to help innocent people is no God at all. That would just be an extremely self-centered demon. Of course, in this religion this God has already confessed that he's a jealous God that's totally hung up on himself and on becoming the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, so there can be no question that this God is extremely VAIN. The whole book makes that blatantly clear. I wouldn't even be interested in how he copulates with mortal women. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 06/07/10 09:13 PM
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I wouldn't even be interested in how he copulates with mortal women. My point is, that if a person actually believes that story, then I want them to get real about it. Make it real. Tell me how they think it happened. Did God assume some human form? Did Mary simply become pregnant by some magic? If so, what kind of magic? How did this magic happen? Was it a thought form that manifested like a holographic reality out of thin air? Or did an alien god abduct mary, give her a memory loss drug and implant her with his seed? Or did he rape her like so many greek gods and fallen angels did to human women. Or was she a willing participant? Was actual sex even involved? I have heard people claim to believe this stuff but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I want people to stop lying to themselves about what they actually believe. They claim to believe but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. At least I think about what I believe and why. They don't think. They just believe what their authority figure (the church or the Bible) tells them. I just think that if people would THINK ABOUT IT they might decide that this belief is not reasonable or logical. |
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I wouldn't even be interested in how he copulates with mortal women. My point is, that if a person actually believes that story, then I want them to get real about it. Make it real. Tell me how they think it happened. Did God assume some human form? Did Mary simply become pregnant by some magic? If so, what kind of magic? How did this magic happen? Was it a thought form that manifested like a holographic reality out of thin air? Or did an alien god abduct mary, give her a memory loss drug and implant her with his seed? Or did he rape her like so many greek gods and fallen angels did to human women. Or was she a willing participant? Was actual sex even involved? I have heard people claim to believe this stuff but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I want people to stop lying to themselves about what they actually believe. They claim to believe but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. At least I think about what I believe and why. They don't think. They just believe what their authority figure (the church or the Bible) tells them. I just think that if people would THINK ABOUT IT they might decide that this belief is not reasonable or logical. This is an easy one... If you believe in magic, it was a miracle... If you don't, here's a few plausible scenarios. 1. As proven in nature, Mary could have "spontaeneously" turned into a hermaphrodite and fertilized herself. 2. They were just about to get it on and pre-sperm was enough to fertilise without penetration. 3. She touched some jism and then scratched herself. If you believe in magic, why is it so hard to believe that there was a man with more knowledge and power than even the most porwerful magi? Is it because he claimed there was only 1 true God and all the rest were fasle? |
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No disrespect to anyone, but I am curious how a man, a human, (Jesus) can be fathered by a God that no one has ever seen. Scientifically, I would like it explained by someone who actually believes this took place. If you can't explain it scientifically, then see if you can explain the "magic" of a "God" impregnating a human (virgin) woman. Believe it or not there have been cases of women becoming pregnant and not remembering how they got that way. There are cases of women who have symptoms of being abducted by aliens and turning up pregnant. There is also a drug that removes several hours of your memory that is currently being used in hospitals! This drug also has a counterpart known as the date rape drug used by people on the street. I find it unbelievable that some people who would normally laugh and make fun of me for believing in conspiracy theories, magic and aliens think it is perfectly fine and acceptable to believe that a God came to earth and caused a woman to get pregnant. It's a lot less logical than my beliefs. I simply don't believe they actually believe that. If anyone does actually believe that, I have not found a single person who would dare to speculate exactly how that happened in reality in real time. He who can create life from nothing, can create life in the womb otherwise, all I can say is, it will be revealed there was a time when people thought talk of space travel was bonkers too... |
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I wouldn't even be interested in how he copulates with mortal women. My point is, that if a person actually believes that story, then I want them to get real about it. Make it real. Tell me how they think it happened. Did God assume some human form? Did Mary simply become pregnant by some magic? If so, what kind of magic? How did this magic happen? Was it a thought form that manifested like a holographic reality out of thin air? Or did an alien god abduct mary, give her a memory loss drug and implant her with his seed? Or did he rape her like so many greek gods and fallen angels did to human women. Or was she a willing participant? Was actual sex even involved? I have heard people claim to believe this stuff but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I want people to stop lying to themselves about what they actually believe. They claim to believe but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. At least I think about what I believe and why. They don't think. They just believe what their authority figure (the church or the Bible) tells them. I just think that if people would THINK ABOUT IT they might decide that this belief is not reasonable or logical. God created man and woman in the first place, what would be so hard about impregnating a woman after that? ANYTHING is possible if God wishes it to be. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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I wouldn't even be interested in how he copulates with mortal women. My point is, that if a person actually believes that story, then I want them to get real about it. Make it real. Tell me how they think it happened. Did God assume some human form? Did Mary simply become pregnant by some magic? If so, what kind of magic? How did this magic happen? Was it a thought form that manifested like a holographic reality out of thin air? Or did an alien god abduct mary, give her a memory loss drug and implant her with his seed? Or did he rape her like so many greek gods and fallen angels did to human women. Or was she a willing participant? Was actual sex even involved? I have heard people claim to believe this stuff but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I want people to stop lying to themselves about what they actually believe. They claim to believe but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. At least I think about what I believe and why. They don't think. They just believe what their authority figure (the church or the Bible) tells them. I just think that if people would THINK ABOUT IT they might decide that this belief is not reasonable or logical. This is an easy one... If you believe in magic, it was a miracle... If you don't, here's a few plausible scenarios. 1. As proven in nature, Mary could have "spontaeneously" turned into a hermaphrodite and fertilized herself. 2. They were just about to get it on and pre-sperm was enough to fertilise without penetration. 3. She touched some jism and then scratched herself. If you believe in magic, why is it so hard to believe that there was a man with more knowledge and power than even the most porwerful magi? Is it because he claimed there was only 1 true God and all the rest were fasle? Well at least you made an effort, thank you very much. But I don't 'believe in magic' in the normal sense. I believe there is some kind of science behind everything, even what you would call 'real magic.' And that is why I study magic. (I call it spiritual technology, you call it magic.) If someone can do real magic, I want to know the details of how it was accomplished and that is what I study. That is why I study the law of attraction. I look for the methods and speculate about the how-to's in a logical manner, from a holographic reality to creating and manifesting thought forms and dream worlds. I look for ways to connect magic to science. I don't just say: Oh, God did it." Or: "Oh, it was a miracle!" I investigate the inner workings of said miracle. If I hold a belief, I have a reason to hold that belief, and I am willing to change that belief given any new and better information. |
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I wouldn't even be interested in how he copulates with mortal women. My point is, that if a person actually believes that story, then I want them to get real about it. Make it real. Tell me how they think it happened. Did God assume some human form? Did Mary simply become pregnant by some magic? If so, what kind of magic? How did this magic happen? Was it a thought form that manifested like a holographic reality out of thin air? Or did an alien god abduct mary, give her a memory loss drug and implant her with his seed? Or did he rape her like so many greek gods and fallen angels did to human women. Or was she a willing participant? Was actual sex even involved? I have heard people claim to believe this stuff but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I want people to stop lying to themselves about what they actually believe. They claim to believe but they have never actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT. At least I think about what I believe and why. They don't think. They just believe what their authority figure (the church or the Bible) tells them. I just think that if people would THINK ABOUT IT they might decide that this belief is not reasonable or logical. God created man and woman in the first place, what would be so hard about impregnating a woman after that? ANYTHING is possible if God wishes it to be. That is not an answer to my question. But since you brought it up, give me some details about HOW exactly God created man and woman? Are you implying that evolution is an elaborate hoax to discredit that story? If so, why on earth would anyone do that? Please don't blame the devil. |
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No disrespect to anyone, but I am curious how a man, a human, (Jesus) can be fathered by a God that no one has ever seen. Scientifically, I would like it explained by someone who actually believes this took place. If you can't explain it scientifically, then see if you can explain the "magic" of a "God" impregnating a human (virgin) woman. Believe it or not there have been cases of women becoming pregnant and not remembering how they got that way. There are cases of women who have symptoms of being abducted by aliens and turning up pregnant. There is also a drug that removes several hours of your memory that is currently being used in hospitals! This drug also has a counterpart known as the date rape drug used by people on the street. I find it unbelievable that some people who would normally laugh and make fun of me for believing in conspiracy theories, magic and aliens think it is perfectly fine and acceptable to believe that a God came to earth and caused a woman to get pregnant. It's a lot less logical than my beliefs. I simply don't believe they actually believe that. If anyone does actually believe that, I have not found a single person who would dare to speculate exactly how that happened in reality in real time. He who can create life from nothing, can create life in the womb otherwise, all I can say is, it will be revealed there was a time when people thought talk of space travel was bonkers too... Yes eventually all of our questions will have answers. But answers will only "be revealed" to people like me who actually ask the questions and look for the answers and speculate the possibilities. |
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God created man and woman in the first place, what would be so hard about impregnating a woman after that? ANYTHING is possible if God wishes it to be. That's exactly right. And I have often brought this up concerning Jesus. If God can do anything (like create Adam from dust), then he would not have had to even bother with a mortal woman to give "birth" to Jesus. He could have just created Jesus as a fully grown man in the sands of the desert, and then sent Jesus into the city to teach what he had to teach without having to bother Mary. This whole idea of a divine men being born of virgin women was actually a quite popular theme in many of the Mediterranean religions. So as far as I can see, this is just that same theme being used over again. The people who wrote these stories couldn't even come up with original material. This is blatantly obvious with the Biblical God's need for blood sacrifice in order to be appeased. That was a common trait of almost all the Gods of mythology. So nothing new there. In fact, this is one my first arguments ever concerned the authenticity of the biblical God. If the biblical picture of God is true, then why is this God so much like all the other mythological Gods? What a conincidence that would be! I think it's crystal clear that this mythology is just that, a mythology. Not even unlike all the other mythologies in the region. Just more of the same. |
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