Community > General Religion Chat

Topic: Scientifific Bible evidence.
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 09/29/10 08:08 PM
anyway cowboy, it was a good post. i never saw anywhere in what you wrote that said the bible was the first or only book to know this stuff, so whatever these lefties argument is, it means nothing. some people think they know everything about everything and waste to much time trying to prove it. that alone shows how much they really know. I'm not trying to prove anything. No one can ever prove anything. Heck no one can even prove the sky is blue. It boils down to accepting the truth. i wasn't saying you were trying to prove anything, i was talking the the other lefties... And in response to the rest of your reply. No one said the bible was the first or only book to know this stuff. All the bible is, is a collection of scribes in which we call books. Eg., book of job, book of matthew, ect. In fact, there are other books. Still refered to as the holy bible, but that's why we have different interpretations eg., king james version, standard version, and many more. The bible itself isn't what's important or what is the value. It's the knowledge inside of the bible that is the important part and the most valuable thing. the bible has great morals in it, and everyone could get something good out of any religions bible, without having to be religious. The bible is a great tool. It is the key to receiving the gift of heaven. All the knowledge there is on how to receive such a great gift is held inside that book people call the holy bible.

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Wed 09/29/10 08:11 PM


CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 09/29/10 08:12 PM
?????

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 09/29/10 08:38 PM
????? His date for the night I think.... LOL, I'm not jealous.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Wed 09/29/10 10:36 PM
Yes knowledge is different in some parts of the country...the more religious an area is the more stupid people are. Like Mississippi for example: (they suffer the most from religion in this country) Then by your own words, you grew up in a highly religious state, and you continue to be led around by stupid morons, how can you face yourself??? LOL, where did I ever say where I grew up? But it would not have mattered where since I have never been of mind to be brainwashed and bound to an idealogy...egads...plus I have read more than ONE book in my life. Funny, I didn't expect you to get that insult, so you must have grown up in a religious area. Someone having a spiritual notion of souls in afterlife are fine with me....what bothers me are the bible literalists who seem bent on destroying our world to bring that Jesus guy back. What also bothers me are religious freaks who insist on pushing their weird belief system into our government and homes. When I see the zealots here clinging onto anything they can to deny the damage religion has done to us I feel like I am chatting to a pshycotic person...at best stubborn and prone to cognitive dissonance. It's weird to read scientific evidences that are available to everyone and hear people denying the simple facts. What is really a "religious freak" is a bible-thumping, Atheist zealot who cannot see the forest trough the trees. You have yet to show any facts that connect religion to your bigoted views, so what "facts" are people denying? The fact that people are at fault is what you deny. I've never seen a book, or a scroll, or a tablet harm anyone on it's own. By your logic, guns, knives, sticks, poisons, violent movies and books should all be abolished. Not to top it all off with politics but what about HC? The same people that cling to the bible are also clinging to the T-Baggers/GOP (who oppose it). LOL, take your politics elsewhere please, no one wants your beliefs forced upon them. (hypocrite) Simple question: Why do the devouted ones always vote GOP? Simple question: Who do the zealots and extremists constantly resort to generalizing, fact-bending and name-calling? Is it because they're stupid morons???? <ef'n hint in case you aren't smart enough to get the inference. Some of us out here have had enough. You're right, now will you stop it please? No, "In your own words" was a lie since I never indicated where I grew up and it's not even relavent anyway...hardly see an insult there. An atheist, not an Anteist. For the most part non-believers do not give themselves a proper noun. I am not part of a religion so this "I know you are but what am I" argument is childish and meaningless. You see, you have zero understanding. "By your own words" is not a lie, it's an inference, is that too much for you to comprehend? The lie is your misquote of my words. You said: "...the more religious an area is the more stupid people are.". How hard is to "get" the insult of me saying you must have grown up in a highly religious area? So yes, it is "relevant" (oh my, can't even spell? That just proves my point.... Anteist? Holy cow, you can't even spell when the word is right in front of you. I choose "Atheist" because because I like to see you rant about it, too damn predictable are you. Only an immature zealot would pick to refute a proper noun instead of the facts. I have continuously proven my points with references. Where have I not referenced my opinions? I have real life answers over the fairytale defenses of the travesty called "religion". Real life answers? Like calling people stupid, morons and other names??? I don't think you have an opinion of your own, I've even said that to you before. You have only provided links to other people's reports, surveys, web pages, whatever. Do you always get your opinions from others? If so, they're not your opinion then, are they? And your latest "reference" even acknowledges the manipulation of the data, and you somehow expect people to trust this??? You have constantly FAILED to connect any of those so-called "references" with your bigoted viewpoint. Do you need the definition of "bigoted" handed to you so that you can comprehend the facts about how you present yourself? Hither was a Christian supported into power by Christians...The Dippic is a Christian voted into office (twice) by people who have their heads up their arses...Christians. slanderous image snipped Hither? With every post, and every sentence, you give me reason to laugh. Really, I chuckle when a poster resorts to ad-hominems and/or shows lack of inteligence. It just proves to me and all the other inteligent folks out there that the poster has nothing but made-up words and childish name-calling. (and yes, I do throw it right back at 'em) Do you even know what dippic means? Can you ever post in a religious forum without resorting to ad-hominems? Do you even know what one of those are? Do you think I really believe you're happy with your life? Do you think I even care? Really, think long and hard about replying to this, because most likely anything except an appology will make you look foolish. (no, I don't want, nor need your appology, but you do owe a few to others.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 09/30/10 05:21 AM
And where is the missing Link??? Educate us on that. The bible is a great tool and faith. To one that has no faith it is like fairytales. It is living and active like a double edge sword. It opens up too people through the spirit. People full of darkness get nothing from it.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 09/30/10 05:26 AM
And where is the missing Link??? Educate us on that. The bible is a great tool and faith. To one that has no faith it is like fairytales. It is living and active like a double edge sword. It opens up too people through the spirit. People full of darkness get nothing from it. It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 09/30/10 05:37 AM
Your right. It does talk about the hardening of the heart a person can go so far that they don't come back from it. nothing can touch there heart anymore. Now that is a dark place.

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Thu 09/30/10 05:45 AM Edited by MiddleEarthling on Thu 09/30/10 05:46 AM
????? Oh I guess the church didn't inform their flock of this...oops. "Oldest Skeleton of Human Ancestor FoundJamie Shreeve Science editor, National Geographic magazineOctober 1, 2009" Move over, Lucy. And kiss the missing link goodbye "The Ardipithecus ramidus fossils were discovered in Ethiopia's harsh Afar desert at a site called Aramis in the Middle Awash region, just 46 miles (74 kilometers) from where Lucy's species, Australopithecus afarensis, was found in 1974. Radiometric dating of two layers of volcanic ash that tightly sandwiched the fossil deposits revealed that Ardi lived 4.4 million years ago. Older hominid fossils have been uncovered, including a skull from Chad at least six million years old and some more fragmentary, slightly younger remains from Kenya and nearby in the Middle Awash. While important, however, none of those earlier fossils are nearly as revealing as the newly announced remains, which in addition to Ardi's partial skeleton include bones representing at least 36 other individuals. "All of a sudden you've got fingers and toes and arms and legs and heads and teeth," said Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, who co-directed the work with Berhane Asfaw, a paleoanthropologist and former director of the National Museum of Ethiopia, and Giday WoldeGabriel, a geologist at Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. "That allows you to do something you can't do with isolated specimens," White said. "It allows you to do biology." http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 09/30/10 05:46 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 09/30/10 05:51 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 09/30/10 05:52 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13)

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 09/30/10 05:55 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 09/30/10 06:04 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Yes some churches teach that but I haven't heard it in a long time. I enjoy a church that teaches Discipleship. Seek and save the lost. If you stick to what Jesus says you'll be fine. Many different churches out there as long as you stick to a bible based church your in the right place

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 09/30/10 06:16 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception

MiddleEarthling Joined Tue 08/18/09 Posts: 1911	Thu 09/30/10 06:18 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Yes some churches teach that but I haven't heard it in a long time. I enjoy a church that teaches Discipleship. Seek and save the lost. If you stick to what Jesus says you'll be fine. Many different churches out there as long as you stick to a bible based church your in the right place "Seek and save the lost" That's the problem...having a religion is all fine but pushing your faith onto others is wrong. These door-to-door snakeoil salesmen that show up at my door get an earful...they usually walk off when I offer to prove to them that Hitler was one of them, who used the same method to rally his Thumpers to empower him into a war that killed 57 million people. Not to mention that this complex has a No Solicitating policy yet these Thumpers will break our laws to push their drug...I now just usually get their card or info then report them and try to get them fined for breaking the law...bummer that so far the management here are religious so they do nothing about these trespassers. Wait, you guys have a thing about trespassing right?, so you break you own laws? Funny...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 09/30/10 06:20 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 09/30/10 06:21 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Yes some churches teach that but I haven't heard it in a long time. I enjoy a church that teaches Discipleship. Seek and save the lost. If you stick to what Jesus says you'll be fine. Many different churches out there as long as you stick to a bible based church your in the right place it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 09/30/10 06:23 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Yes some churches teach that but I haven't heard it in a long time. I enjoy a church that teaches Discipleship. Seek and save the lost. If you stick to what Jesus says you'll be fine. Many different churches out there as long as you stick to a bible based church your in the right place it's rare to find a church that teach that believers are supposed to follow "ALL" the teachings of Jesus ..believers just pick and choose which teachings of Jesus to follow and when you ask them which ones they follow it generally are not more than two of them... wouldn't not following all the teachings of Jesus be regarded as being a lack of faith Not particularly lack of faith, but more so lack of discipline. Just because children disobey their parents doesn't mean they have lack of faith in their parents love, just a lack of discipline.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 09/30/10 06:27 AM
It boils down to what people WANT to have faith in. Some people have no faith that we even landed on the moon. They think it's a conspiracy. No matter how much proof they are shown, they refuse to accept the fact that we have been to the moon. Same concept here as with the bible, it's what people want to believe and use their free will on what they actually do believe in. even believers will claim that all the bible should not be taken literal....that in itself is a lack of faith and place the believers in the same realm as non-believers Shows no lack of faith. It's not all literal for Jesus spoke in parables. In Matthew 13, the disciples asked this same question of Jesus in verse 10. He answered, “The knowledge of the secrets of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. This is why I speak to them in parables, ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand’” (Mat. 13:11,13) Matthew 13:10-12 10And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. that Jesus spoke in parables does not change the fact that the bible should be taken literal ...because if one takes the bible literally it reveals the true nature of Jesus ..that he spoke in parable as a means of deception ....even if one takes the bible as being metaphoric it still reveal that Jesus spoke in parables as a means of deception if he was being deceptive, what difference would it have been if he spoke in parables or straight up? If it's deceptive it would not have changed between the two. Jesus spoke in parables so that we could relate it moreso to us, and make it more personal to us. Again, how does the deception change between the two? And can you please give us an example of how this could be done? it wouldn't make a difference.....you are the one that tried to use parables as a reason why the bible should not be taken literal ....if the bible claim that Jesus spoke in parables...would that be a lie?