Topic: Only 39 Percent Would Vote to Re-Elect Obama in 2012
mightymoe's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:16 PM






it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


The he should prduce a Birth Certificate not a Certificate of Live Birth and shut the birthers and fanatics up.



truth be told, the birthers would have a conspiracy theory no matter what he produces,,,,

he produced what the LAW requires, and he has no further obligation to appease stalkers and fanatics instead of getting on with his life and his job


thats fine, he is just giving himself more rope to hang himself with... i would be satisfied with a real birth certificate, i mean i have to show mine every time i do something...is he that irresponsible that he doesn't keep a copy with him? every other citizen does...

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:16 PM







it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


The he should prduce a Birth Certificate not a Certificate of Live Birth and shut the birthers and fanatics up.



truth be told, the birthers would have a conspiracy theory no matter what he produces,,,,

he produced what the LAW requires, and he has no further obligation to appease stalkers and fanatics instead of getting on with his life and his job


thats fine, he is just giving himself more rope to hang himself with... i would be satisfied with a real birth certificate, i mean i have to show mine every time i do something...is he that irresponsible that he doesn't keep a copy with him? every other citizen does...



lol, so do I and it looks JUST LIKE WHAT HE PRODUCED..lol

mightymoe's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:18 PM
you have a certificate of live birth? where were you born?

Lpdon's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:20 PM








it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


I missed where he called anyone a name,,,,what what


He called me one and I believe Rachel. He has also done so in other threads then threatens to report someone if they reply back in kind. I am sick of his antics as many people here are. I am tired of Birther, Tea Bagger, Dippic, name butchering and all those other rude comments.



the issue is, terms like birther and tea bagger are not about anyone SPECIFICALLY

they are generalizations, ,like liberal or conservative

dippic is no less offensive than OBLOWME or any of the other offensive little names people give to those who they disagree with

if mods restrict some for those types of 'antics' they have to restrict all and we would find a much less active forum......


Actually I wish they would issue an appropriate name rule which most all political forums strictly enforce and most forums that have a political portion like this one. It provokes nothing but arguements and personal attacks. I have refrained with the exception of two or three times of doing that and I won't do it again. I certainly haven't used the Oblome or anything that offensive.

Besides anyone who butchers a name automatically loses all credibility and the debate.

Tea Bagger should be a restricted word on here. It is an offensive sexual act and as ment as an attack.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:20 PM

you have a certificate of live birth? where were you born?



akron ohio

Lpdon's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:21 PM












it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


I missed where he called anyone a name,,,,what what


He is calling people birthers. I know what it means and I don't care.



WHO did he call a birther?


Go look for yourself and stop being lazy! What are you his personal bodyguard?



not at all, its just that there was such passion in your plea that he stop calling names (ironic with some of the past posts on these threads which we have both been a part of ) and Im not seeing a single post where he did so


but its of no consequence, just seems like more inconsistent application of values and debate 'requests'


back on topic

OBAMA 2012 !!!:banana: :banana: :banana:


If he doesn't pull a Lyndon Johnson and if he doesn't then he will be a Jimmy Carter.



Im fine with Jimmy too,,,

OBAMA 2012!! :banana: :banana:


Jimmy lost pretty bad. he has gone down as one of the worst and least accomplished President's in history.

Lpdon's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:24 PM
I especially believe it is racest whhen someone votes for someone just because they are African American, Caucasion, Hispanic, Asian or any other race or ethnic background.

A lot of Obama's vote were because of his race and people thought it would be cool to have a black President. Personally I have no problem with haveing a black President at all. There are some black Polititians I really admire.

I even started a "Draft Condi" Movement and would have supported Colin Powell in the 90's.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:24 PM













it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


I missed where he called anyone a name,,,,what what


He is calling people birthers. I know what it means and I don't care.



WHO did he call a birther?


Go look for yourself and stop being lazy! What are you his personal bodyguard?



not at all, its just that there was such passion in your plea that he stop calling names (ironic with some of the past posts on these threads which we have both been a part of ) and Im not seeing a single post where he did so


but its of no consequence, just seems like more inconsistent application of values and debate 'requests'


back on topic

OBAMA 2012 !!!:banana: :banana: :banana:


If he doesn't pull a Lyndon Johnson and if he doesn't then he will be a Jimmy Carter.



Im fine with Jimmy too,,,

OBAMA 2012!! :banana: :banana:


Jimmy lost pretty bad. he has gone down as one of the worst and least accomplished President's in history.


some historical 'experts' say the same about George W in hindsight, but he still held two terms ,,,,,,

KerryO's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:24 PM
Edited by KerryO on Sun 10/10/10 03:40 PM



Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:28 PM

I especially believe it is racest whhen someone votes for someone just because they are African American, Caucasion, Hispanic, Asian or any other race or ethnic background.

A lot of Obama's vote were because of his race and people thought it would be cool to have a black President. Personally I have no problem with haveing a black President at all. There are some black Polititians I really admire.

I even started a "Draft Condi" Movement and would have supported Colin Powell in the 90's.


preferences are a part of voting reality

people choose the person they think will RELATE to the issues in their lives


they also vote against those they think cant relate

perhaps even more so than people voting OBama for his race(Which I believe is a minute number of voters) are people voting AGAINST republicans or old white males because of their perceived oppression and disconnect from others,,,


personally, I think this vote was like any other, and decided by the same criteria as it always was

there have been other opportunities for people to elect a black man if that was all it was about,,,,but it wasnt

Dragoness's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:35 PM
I just read that even with all the low polls on Obama, they did a poll that showed he would still beat out all current contenders for his job.

I thought that was interesting.

I will see if I can find the link.

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/10/10 03:43 PM

I just read that even with all the low polls on Obama, they did a poll that showed he would still beat out all current contenders for his job.

I thought that was interesting.

I will see if I can find the link.



that will be interesting, although I still believe that throughout the world wide web, we can find polls to point to anything we want them to,,,

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 10/10/10 08:19 PM
Really bad thing about polls.

President Obama (or any other politician) can do just one thing at the right time.

and flip the polls within 24 hours. (given our quick news cycles)

Lpdon's photo
Mon 10/11/10 10:23 AM














it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


I missed where he called anyone a name,,,,what what


He is calling people birthers. I know what it means and I don't care.



WHO did he call a birther?


Go look for yourself and stop being lazy! What are you his personal bodyguard?



not at all, its just that there was such passion in your plea that he stop calling names (ironic with some of the past posts on these threads which we have both been a part of ) and Im not seeing a single post where he did so


but its of no consequence, just seems like more inconsistent application of values and debate 'requests'


back on topic

OBAMA 2012 !!!:banana: :banana: :banana:


If he doesn't pull a Lyndon Johnson and if he doesn't then he will be a Jimmy Carter.



Im fine with Jimmy too,,,

OBAMA 2012!! :banana: :banana:


Jimmy lost pretty bad. he has gone down as one of the worst and least accomplished President's in history.


some historical 'experts' say the same about George W in hindsight, but he still held two terms ,,,,,,


And a lot of Democrats voted for him in 2004.

Lpdon's photo
Mon 10/11/10 10:35 AM




Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.


First of all I don't every use *****.

Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/11/10 10:38 AM
he could never SHUT people up about it whatever he produced, he has produced what is legally required as proof and I wouldnt feel forced to do more than that either , just to 'shut people up'

let the loonies keep talking, its their american right,,,

Rachel78745's photo
Mon 10/11/10 11:13 AM


I just read that even with all the low polls on Obama, they did a poll that showed he would still beat out all current contenders for his job.

I thought that was interesting.

I will see if I can find the link.



that will be interesting, although I still believe that throughout the world wide web, we can find polls to point to anything we want them to,,,

TRUTH!

KerryO's photo
Mon 10/11/10 05:26 PM

Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.



Rachel78745's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:35 PM


Second of all, who cares about a court case, I am stating a simple fact to shut people up about the birth cirtificate, if he wants to shut people up alls he has to do is produce it. No court case is needed for that.


Indeed it would not. Let's say, for the sake of argument, he kept producing every document demanded by the Birthers.

You know, of course, what would happen next, right?

"He's still a Muslim, I don't care how many Christian churches he's attended."

It's like being stupid enough to gift an answer to the age-old question "When did you stop beating your wife" to someone intent on running your reputation into the ground for no particular sane reason. The proper answer to that one is, "I'll see you in court."

-Kerry O.





He is a mslim and already admitted it :)

You can see that as he correct's himself he looks hard to the side. A very common way to spot a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related

Atlantis75's photo
Mon 10/11/10 09:45 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Mon 10/11/10 09:50 PM




Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


LOL!!!!

Well, report me and we'll let the mods decide. I think if you read the rules, though, using "******" to hide insults is waaay past anything I'm guilty of, imagined or othewise, in this thread. 'Birthers' after all, isn't an epithet, a profanity or anything that doesn't appear in the blogosphere ALL THE TIME. Besides, I haven't actually called anyone that, I just have run their positions up the flag pole and stood back and watched who saluted and with how much vigor.

That's what really separates the fanatics from the moderates.

Oh, and BTW? I've never registered to vote as anything but an Independent and though I find the Republicans pretty culpable for a lot of what transpired over the last 10 years, that doesn't mean I love what the Democrats have with the franchise handed to them in '06. I really feel voting as an Independent oftimes comes down to choosing between the lesser of two evils.

And I'm STILL waiting on citations of those court cases-- could it be *gasp* THAT THERE ARE NONE??? And this accusation of ad hominem attacks is just to get rid of the pesky person who keeps pointing out that the Birth Certificate Emperor is Naked? LOL!!

-Kerry O.


It's pointless to explain anything to these people here in the politics forum. You have a better chance teaching an elephant to fly. Let them cook in their own stew.

Actually it would be best for independent minded folks not even reply and boycott the entire politics forum on mingle2. Obviously even the mingle staff is biased to allow them to spew their hatred.
That's ok though, they got their men...I'll be working on to clean up this place by hitting them where it hurts the most. Their advertisers and bringing down some internet police into their necks. They really think they can get away with this, they are wrong. I'm serious too..I had it with this place, they gonna regret it and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. They either clean up after their members or disappear from the web. That's it.