Psalm 137:9

“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

Kings 18:27

“But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? Hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own pizz with you?”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

“If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

Ezekiel 16:17

“You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.”


Judges 3:19-24

“But he himself turned back at the idols near Gilgal and said, ‘I have a secret message for you, O king.’ And he commanded, ‘Silence.’ And all his attendants went out from his presence. And Ehud came to him as he was sitting alone in his cool roof chamber. And Ehud said, ‘I have a message from God for you.’ And he arose from his seat. And Ehud reached with his left hand, took the sword from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. And the hilt also went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not pull the sword out of his belly; and the dung came out. Then Ehud went out into the porch and closed the doors of the roof chamber behind him and locked them. When he had gone, the servants came, and when they saw that the doors of the roof chamber were locked, they thought, ‘Surely he is relieving himself in the closet of the cool chamber.’“

Deuteronomy 23:1

"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."


Samuel 18:25-27

"Then Saul said, “Thus shall you say to David, ‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife."

Numbers 11:18

“And tell the people to purify themselves, for tomorrow they will have meat to eat. Tell them, ‘The LORD has heard your whining and complaints: ‘If only we had meat to eat! Surely we were better off in Egypt!’ Now the LORD will give you meat, and you will have to eat it. And it won’t be for just a day or two, or for five or ten or even twenty. You will eat it for a whole month until you gag and are sick of it. For you have rejected the LORD, who is here among you, and you have complained to him, ‘Why did we ever leave Egypt?’“

Ezekial 23:19-20

"Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions."

http://gremlindog.com/lists/10-of-the-most-bizarre-bible-verses-ever/

Matthew 15:4

Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death. — Jesus

Numbers 31:17-18

Therefore kill all that are of the male sex, even of the children: and put to death the women, that have carnally known men. 18 But the girls, and all the women that are virgins save for yourselves.

I Corinthians 14:34-35

Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church. — Paul

Apocalypse 2:21-23

And I gave her a time that she might do penance, and she will not repent of her fornication. Behold, I will cast her into a bed: and they that commit adultery with her shall be in very great tribulation, except they do penance from their deeds. And I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts, and I will give to every one of you according to your works. — Jesus

I did not reveal the truth about them all, i will if needed but i feel the ones i have revealed will show the inaccuracy of your quotes and how they were taken out of context.

27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
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which kings was you quoten? This is from the first kings verse 18:27, NOTHING like what you posted.
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Ezekiel 16 9 - 17

9 " 'I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. 10 I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put leather sandals on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11 I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12 and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13 So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was fine flour, honey and olive oil. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. 14 And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign LORD.

15 But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his. 16 You took some of your garments to make gaudy high places, where you carried on your prostitution. Such things should not happen, nor should they ever occur. 17 You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.
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As you can see with the previous verses, it reveals that they weren't suppose to make male idols or engage in prostitution with them. God did not instruct them to do those actions. And that God was dissapointed with them, saying i've bathed you, i've done so much for you, yet you used your fame to become a prostitute. Basically saying I've done so much for you and you repay me by living like this.
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Deuteronomy 23:1

"No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
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Helps to include all the surrounding verses to get it's meaning. I want to bring attention to the verse - (11But it shall be, when evening cometh on, he shall wash himself with water: and when the sun is down, he shall come into the camp again) This shows that by cleaning themselves of such, they still can enter into the assembly of the Lord.


1He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

2A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

3An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

4Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee.

5Nevertheless the LORD thy God would not hearken unto Balaam; but the LORD thy God turned the curse into a blessing unto thee, because the LORD thy God loved thee.
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""No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."

Nothing you wrote denies any of it, the context is what it is....it's simple...lose your penis and have crushed Mcnuggets and you're not allowed in "heaven". Why is that? Almost as bizarre as the things the bible says are the defenses of it.



http://sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/babble

"We should fear God (Matthew 10:28)
We should love God (Matthew 22:37)
There is no fear in love (1 John 4:18)"

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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This is Jesus speaking specifically to his disciples of when they were sent into Israel to preach. Telling them do not fear these people that you are about to meet, for they can only kill the body and can not kill the soul..... And not listening to what Jesus has told us to do is a sin, and the only reward for sin is death. So he said this to give them strength to stay strong and not stop preaching because of fear, for the punishment would be much more severe then anything these people could have done to the disciples.
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Matthew 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind
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Tells us to love him, Jesus.
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1 John 4:18
18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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There is no fear in love, if you love something/someone, you trust them thus relieving you of fear. Goes along with Matthew 10:28. Do what the father has instructed us to do out of love, not fear. Do it with a sincere heart and not under direst.
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So we can gather from these verses, to not fear ANYTHING. But do what we have been instructed out of love, and while doing these things which we were instructed don't fear what man might do. Just keep steadfast in the lord and love the lord thy God.

So Jesus will punish people severely for not preaching his word?

No wonder you are so determined to preach these gospels, you fear that Jesus will beat you up if you refuse to do his work.

If Jesus was truly like the way you portray him to be then he's a monster totally unworthy of anyone's love and devotion as far as I'm concerned.

No truly righteous and loving God is going to threaten to severely punish his own disciples if they refuse to preach his word.

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I need to convey a thought that occurred to me tonight.

When I was walking through my house I almost stepped on my cat who was laying in a dark hallway. I tripped trying to avoid stepping on the cat and nearly fell over myself.

I wasn't the slightest bit angry with the cat. He doesn't know any better. But I was concerned about the cat, for I did not want the cat to be hurt.

But that got me thinking. Here I am worrying about a cat who clearly doesn't care about me in the least. He doesn't even seem to like me much.

I mean, he doesn't run from me, but he never comes to me when I call him, he basically ignores me unless he's hungry then he meows in a harsh voice wanting to know where his animal crackers are.

I always feed my cat and give him a nice hug and pet him. Even though he never does anything for me, nor does he show the slightest bit of affection toward me.

That got me to thinking. This God that you continually describe seems to hate everyone who refuses to love and obey him. You even have Jesus threatening his very own disciples with grave punishments if they fail to do his bidding.

Think about this for a minute.

Here I am having more compassion for a cat that your Jesus has for his own disciples. I expect nothing in return for the love and care that I offer my cat, yet your God get's totally peeved and all bent out of shape if someone isn't willing to bow down and worship him and do his bidding.

The God that you continually describe doesn't even know what love and compassion even means. By the way that you describe him he's a total jerk.

He's running around acting like he's the only thing that matters and he'll be totally angry with and resentful of anyone who doesn't jump when he speaks.

I don't like the so-called "God" that you continually preach about. As far as I can see, he's nowhere near as compassionate as I am. I show more compassion to a cat than he offers to humans.

You've taken Jesus and made a monster out of him as far as I can see. Perhaps you might be right. Perhaps it was actually the authors of the New Testament who turned him into a monster. Or maybe the man named Jesus truly was a monster. Who knows?

But whatever the case may be, the persona that you describe as "Jesus" isn't even close to being "divine" IMHO. He's appears to be as insane and hateful as Hitler.

As long as you do as he says, you'll be fine. But dare to refuse to do his bidding and you'll pay for it with horrible punishments.

That's what you're saying here.

Jesus hates people who refuse to obey him and he will be extremely mean to them. Far meaner than even those nasty "heathens"!

That's what you just said in your quote above.

Jesus is a big bully.

My cat doesn't know how lucky he is to be living with me. He could have ended up in the house of Jesus!

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So Jesus will punish people severely for not preaching his word?
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Punished for disobedience. Teaching them to listen, just as a parent does their children when they miss behave.
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If Jesus was truly like the way you portray him to be then he's a monster totally unworthy of anyone's love and devotion as far as I'm concerned.
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Parents aren't to punish their children for disobedience?
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Here I am having more compassion for a cat that your Jesus has for his own disciples. I expect nothing in return for the love and care that I offer my cat, yet your God get's totally peeved and all bent out of shape if someone isn't willing to bow down and worship him and do his bidding.
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Even with people's disobediance down to even denying his existance our Father still provides for EVERYONE, thus showing them love. God hates not one person on earth. And this comparison isn't accurate at all, for you know that cat doesn't know better but people indeed know better or at least have the mental capacity to know as such.
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That got me to thinking. This God that you continually describe seems to hate everyone who refuses to love and obey him. You even have Jesus threatening his very own disciples with grave punishments if they fail to do his bidding.
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God hates NO ONE. And Jesus threatens no one. Even the earthly parents punish their children for disobediance. It's cause and effect, and Jesus tells us what causes make the effect of being punished. Again, it's not a threaten, it's a warning of the consequences that would come with such actions.
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He's running around acting like he's the only thing that matters and he'll be totally angry with and resentful of anyone who doesn't jump when he speaks.
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God is everything that matters. It's our father that has given us life and everything we receive in this life. Without our father we would never had even existed. We aren't our own, we belong to God, so yeah if he says jump you do so. We aren't just "children" of God, we are God's CREATION.
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I don't like the so-called "God" that you continually preach about. As far as I can see, he's nowhere near as compassionate as I am. I show more compassion to a cat than he offers to humans.
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Ok, lets take even just you and I for instance. In our discussions, the way you talk is belittling and downing of ones beliefs. Where is the compassion? I've never belittled anything you've said or tried to make you look stupid or anything of such. I've debated my side of the argument in a professional polite way. So where is this mighty compassion you claim to have?
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As long as you do as he says, you'll be fine. But dare to refuse to do his bidding and you'll pay for it with horrible punishments.
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Again, we are God's creation. If you create something and it doesn't work, do you tare it down? Or do you allow it to continuously not cooperate?
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Jesus hates people who refuse to obey him and he will be extremely mean to them. Far meaner than even those nasty "heathens"!
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Jesus hates no one and never is mean or nasty to anyone. Jesus continuously shows love and provides for EVERYONE. Did you eat today? Did you drink today? Did you breath today? Who do you think allowed for such to happen and provided it to your availability? Jesus my friend.
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No, I've told you many times over repeatedly, I personally don't condone punishment as a means of mentoring. I think it's utterly stupid and totally ignorant. That's the kind of mentality and behavior I would expect a barroom drunkard to exhibit, not a God.

Punishment is stupid.

When teaching children responsibility you should teach them consequences for their actions. Not punishments. And this isn't just a mere difference in wording, I'm talking about a whole different mentality and concept altogether.

In fact, this is one of the very reasons why I reject the Old Testament as being utterly absurd. This so-called God that you worship deals out 'punishment', and asks for 'appeasements' and 'atonement' for "sins". IMHO, that's utterly stupid, and a very good reason to reject the Bible as being the word of any supposedly all-wise being.

If I had children and they did something wrong, rather than having them do yet another wrong (like killing an animal to appease me with a blood sacrifice) I would have them do something CONSTRUCTIVE AND POSITIVE like community service, for example. I also would make it perfectly clear that this is not a "punishment" at all, but rather a consequence of their "wrong-doing". And I would even EXPLAIN precisely why the thing they did wrong was indeed wrong.

I would never just say, "Because I say so". That's an utterly lame and irresponsible act of parenting as well, IMHO.

Children should be educated, not ordered around like mindless robots. You're raising human beings here, not training mindless soldiers to go into battle and blindly follow your commands without question.

So no, I don't agree with your philosophy at all. In fact, if the Bible is what taught you to have these ignorant and insane ideas then this is all the more reason why the book should be exposed for what it truly is - the opinions of an ignorant human society!

You take all these horrible ignorant ideas and spew them around like as if they have some divine value. They don't. They're ignorant concepts that have been clung to by society far too long!

We really need to move on from these ancient dark age immoral ideas.



Just because you create something doesn't absolve you from the responsibility of being respectful toward it. You act like just because God is the creator he can do anything he wants and no "moral judgments" can be passed on him. But that's not so.

Just because a God creates something that doesn't give it the right to act like a demon over it.




Check out the news fella.

There are a lot of people starving to death and dying from disease, natural disasters, etc. God does not provide for everyone as you suggest.

Plus like I already said, just because you might provide for someone or something does not give you the right to become a bully over it.

I provide for my cat too. But I don't bully the cat.

By the way, you were speaking about "Spiritual Death". Jesus is going to deny his disciples eternal life and cast them into the hell fire.

Well, I've got news for you. You can't "Teach" anyone anything by killing them permanently.

It's ironic, isn't it, that the Fundies of another recent era wanted to ban books like 'The Catcher in the Rye' and 'The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn' in favor of teaching the book that contained _these_ quotes?

Makes you wonder if the Fundies actually read ALL of the bible?

-Kerry O.

"We should fear God (Matthew 10:28) "

"The Skeptic's Annotated Bible includes the entire text of the King James Version of the Bible, but without the pro-Bible propaganda. Instead, passages are highlighted that are an embarrassment to the Bible-believer, and the parts of the Bible that are never read in any Church, Bible study group, or Sunday School class are emphasized. For it is these passages that test the claims of the Bible-believer. The contradictions and false prophesies show that the Bible is not inerrant; the cruelties, injustices, and insults to women, that its author is neither good nor just. It is time for us all to stop believing in, or pretending to believe in, a book that is so unworthy of belief."

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More good stuff! God bring's it's people EVIL!

A Christian wrote: "God did not create evil. Evil is simply the state where God is not present."


If "God did not create evil" then what of the following?

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things.

Judges 9:23
Then God sent an evil spirit

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house

1 Kings 9:9
...therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

1 Kings 14:10
Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam
2 Kings 6:33 ...Behold, this evil is of the LORD;

2 Kings 21:12 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

2 Kings 22:16 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place

2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof...

Nehemiah 13:18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?

Jeremiah 4:6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 6:19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people

Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon them

Jeremiah 25:29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil

Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them:

Jeremiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah

Jeremiah 45:5 ...behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD:

Jeremiah 49:37 ...I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:

Micah 1:12 .... evil came down from the LORD

Micah 2:3 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil

“Exodus 22:29-30 "You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.”

Ezekiel 20:25-26 Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.”

http://sites.google.com/site/leavingxtianity/babble

perhaps they haven't heard or choose to dismiss the belief that God is supposedly ominpresent and therefore present everywhere

which is why a believer that choose not to go to church to learn is no different than a child not going to school to learn

which is why Jesus spoke in parables because he claim that the people would not understand his message anyway because they lacked the knowledge to understand

In this instance we are taught before the consequence comes. The punishment itself isn't for teaching us to be obedient, the punishment is for not being obedient in the first place. You have been taught on how to be obedient, it is your choice, your decision to listen or be disobedient.

And who ever said Jesus was going to deny his disciples eternal life and cast them into the hell fire?

If "god" blogged he'd make it a sin to get off the topic.

"And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

"fix" that one!

wouldn't that include circumcision?

perhaps the assembly of the Lord has a "Dont Ask Don't Tell" policy

the bible both old/new testament is full of contradictions,the posters in here have proven that, both nonbelievers and believers.the bible is full of **** period

the sad thing is that suckers cause they feel the need to follow the herd cause others or family will look down on them won't stand up and say hey i'd rather watch pregame show before football starts than sit here in these pews and hear a bunch of people who can't sing then hear a bunch of your interpretation of the folk lore.speaking of testicles, grow some and stand up cause you only live once why abide by a fictional characters laws too