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Topic: Will The Rapture rid the Earth of Christianity
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Wed 10/20/10 07:41 PM


Our father himself does NOT torture us nor does he tempt us.


God and Satan not only teamed up and tried to tempt JOB but also showed their contempt for JOB by killing his entire family and causing him torment ...


His family wasn't killed. The only way to die is to not receive the gift of heaven. And there's no evidence of such happening, so therefore no one killed anyone. And God and satan wasn't teaming up lol, what were they teaming up on? What was their goal for having done as such? Them teaming up would have been both against job attacking him with all sorts. But God was not. Yes God allows Satan to test us... thought we've been through this, what a thousand times? God allows Satan to test us to give us a way to earn our way back into heaven. They aren't teaming up, our father is merely using Satan to in the end reward us for our obedience.

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Wed 10/20/10 07:43 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Wed 10/20/10 07:45 PM


He does none of that, you say were as past tense. I still will defend that our father does none of that.


that type of defense is called false testimony...it's clearly in the bible that God kills and threatens to kill...you claiming that he doesn't is what I mean by you lying about what's written in the bible

let's see if another Christian post and back up what you say ....can I get a witness?




Give us ONE example of God either threatening and or killing a Christian. Now who's spreading false testimony? Even a threaten? Yes it tells of punishments our father has given which resulted in death. But that is a fare judgement not merely "killing" someone(s) And in a sense those people killed themselves. Since you like to repeat yourself guess I will, the ONLY reward for sin is death. Thus you sin you will die if forgiveness isn't searched for nor repentance done for previous actions. So on that note, if you sin you are willingly allowing yourself to die, thus killing yourself.

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Thu 10/21/10 06:16 AM



Our father himself does NOT torture us nor does he tempt us.


God and Satan not only teamed up and tried to tempt JOB but also showed their contempt for JOB by killing his entire family and causing him torment ...


His family wasn't killed.


Cowboy below is the passage from the bible that says that JOB family is "DEAD"...they were killed

JOB 1:1-19...And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house…And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.


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Thu 10/21/10 06:34 AM
Edited by funches on Thu 10/21/10 07:09 AM
Cowboy posted
give us one example of God either threathening and or killing a christian ..


you answered your own question

Cowboy posted
yes it tells of punishment our father has given which resulted in Death


see...you finally admitted that people do die and that God do torture and kill them

you shot yourself in the foot with your own false testimony



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Thu 10/21/10 08:39 AM




Our father himself does NOT torture us nor does he tempt us.


God and Satan not only teamed up and tried to tempt JOB but also showed their contempt for JOB by killing his entire family and causing him torment ...


His family wasn't killed.


Cowboy below is the passage from the bible that says that JOB family is "DEAD"...they were killed

JOB 1:1-19...And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother’s house…And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.



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5And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
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Would you notice "it may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts."

In those days we were judged on earth for our sins, thus job's children's house falling on them.

And before anyone tries to take it out of context, the "thus did job continually" goes with job offering bunt offerings according to the number of them all. So want to apologize for originally saying "his family wasn't killed". But nevertheless they weren't unrighteously killed, they were judged by our father for their sinning and cursing of God.

p.s. thank you for trying to always make it look like i've said something wrong causing me to look deep into it once again, for i do not wish to spread false testimony. This allows me to brush back up on something that may have been forgotten.

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Thu 10/21/10 08:42 AM

Cowboy posted
give us one example of God either threathening and or killing a christian ..


you answered your own question

Cowboy posted
yes it tells of punishment our father has given which resulted in Death


see...you finally admitted that people do die and that God do torture and kill them

you shot yourself in the foot with your own false testimony



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No, they again they killed themselves in a sense. Notice "punishment our father has given". Thus the cause of this effect would be through sinning thus they were killing themselves through their actions...... being disobedient. Was not unjustified killing, it was a judgement.

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Thu 10/21/10 08:45 AM


He does none of that, you say were as past tense. I still will defend that our father does none of that.


that type of defense is called false testimony...it's clearly in the bible that God kills and threatens to kill...you claiming that he doesn't is what I mean by you lying about what's written in the bible

let's see if another Christian post and back up what you say ....can I get a witness?




No, our father doesn't threaten. Only acknowledges to us the result of sinning.

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Thu 10/21/10 09:30 AM

No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?

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Thu 10/21/10 10:09 AM


No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?


Yes he did die. He died your death so that you wouldn't have to die. Our father has resurrected Jesus though, he did not remain dead. But nevertheless he did die, he felt the pain of death so that you wouldn't have to.

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Thu 10/21/10 10:13 AM


No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?


Funches you keep playing games. If you're going to quote something do NOT edit what you are quoting lol. Here is exactly what i said in what made you say that of Jesus on the cross.

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No, they again they killed themselves in a sense. Notice "punishment our father has given"
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Again, notice punishment our father has given. With punishment received infers there was some form of disobedience to cause such an accurance. So with you not quoting that part as well takes it out of context resulting in a substance that can be misinterpreted and twisted around such as you were trying to do.

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Thu 10/21/10 10:35 AM



No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?


Yes he did die. He died your death so that you wouldn't have to die. Our father has resurrected Jesus though, he did not remain dead. But nevertheless he did die, he felt the pain of death so that you wouldn't have to.



so all this time you were claiming that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire you were preaching false testimony

I knew once I included Jesus into the mix it would slap you back into reality....you had no choice but to then admit that people do die

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Thu 10/21/10 06:35 PM




No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?


Yes he did die. He died your death so that you wouldn't have to die. Our father has resurrected Jesus though, he did not remain dead. But nevertheless he did die, he felt the pain of death so that you wouldn't have to.



so all this time you were claiming that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire you were preaching false testimony

I knew once I included Jesus into the mix it would slap you back into reality....you had no choice but to then admit that people do die


No never claimed that it was specifically the "lake of fire". Death is to not receive the gift of heaven. When Jesus died on the cross, he didn't go to heaven. He didn't go to heaven until after his resurrection.

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Fri 10/22/10 05:50 AM
the rapture is when Jesus takes the faithful to be forever with him. the non belivers are the ones who will face the chaos of a godless world. i read your last posting. you seem confused man. maybe you should read the bible and pray for understanding if you sincerely want to understand. if you want to know God/his word YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

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Fri 10/22/10 05:56 AM





No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?


Yes he did die. He died your death so that you wouldn't have to die. Our father has resurrected Jesus though, he did not remain dead. But nevertheless he did die, he felt the pain of death so that you wouldn't have to.



so all this time you were claiming that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire you were preaching false testimony

I knew once I included Jesus into the mix it would slap you back into reality....you had no choice but to then admit that people do die


No never claimed that it was specifically the "lake of fire". Death is to not receive the gift of heaven. When Jesus died on the cross, he didn't go to heaven. He didn't go to heaven until after his resurrection.


Cowboy...my goal was to teach you that people do die when you claim that they didn't and to teach you that no one needs to be tossed into the lake of fire in order to die when you claim that they do....

along with the fact that you just admitted that Jesus did die on the cross is how you now have undisputable proof that what you've been preaching has been false testimony ...

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Fri 10/22/10 06:10 AM

the rapture is when Jesus takes the faithful to be forever with him. the non belivers are the ones who will face the chaos of a godless world. i read your last posting. you seem confused man. maybe you should read the bible and pray for understanding if you sincerely want to understand. if you want to know God/his word YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.


well according to the bible God is a jealous God which is why you are only supposed to worship God and not worship Man..which is why the rapture could be how God gets rid of those Christians that do choose to worship a Man

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Fri 10/22/10 07:31 AM


the rapture is when Jesus takes the faithful to be forever with him. the non belivers are the ones who will face the chaos of a godless world. i read your last posting. you seem confused man. maybe you should read the bible and pray for understanding if you sincerely want to understand. if you want to know God/his word YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.


well according to the bible God is a jealous God which is why you are only supposed to worship God and not worship Man..which is why the rapture could be how God gets rid of those Christians that do choose to worship a Man


we do not worship a man... Jesus. We worship our father through Jesus. Through Jesus we are made pure. God turns away from sin, that is why we need Jesus to cleanse us of our sins and make us presentable to our father.

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Fri 10/22/10 07:35 AM






No, they again they killed themselves in a sense.


Cowboy.....you said that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire ....so do that mean that Jesus did not die on the cross...yes or no?


Yes he did die. He died your death so that you wouldn't have to die. Our father has resurrected Jesus though, he did not remain dead. But nevertheless he did die, he felt the pain of death so that you wouldn't have to.



so all this time you were claiming that no one dies until they get toss into the lake of fire you were preaching false testimony

I knew once I included Jesus into the mix it would slap you back into reality....you had no choice but to then admit that people do die


No never claimed that it was specifically the "lake of fire". Death is to not receive the gift of heaven. When Jesus died on the cross, he didn't go to heaven. He didn't go to heaven until after his resurrection.


Cowboy...my goal was to teach you that people do die when you claim that they didn't and to teach you that no one needs to be tossed into the lake of fire in order to die when you claim that they do....

along with the fact that you just admitted that Jesus did die on the cross is how you now have undisputable proof that what you've been preaching has been false testimony ...


When someone passes away on earth and it's referred to as death.... that is merely a metaphor. We have to have secular words for those whom do not believe on the father. For it would be offensive to those whom do not. And also is why it's referred to as the second death. Yes our mortal bodies will die eventually. But WE have not died at that moment. NO one DIES until judgement day.

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1 Corinthians 15:56-58
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
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Fri 10/22/10 08:33 AM

we do not worship a man... Jesus. We worship our father through Jesus. Through Jesus we are made pure. God turns away from sin, that is why we need Jesus to cleanse us of our sins and make us presentable to our father.


Cowboy...explain how an omnipresent God that supposedly exist everywhere be able to turn away from sin ...

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Fri 10/22/10 08:43 AM

When someone passes away on earth and it's referred to as death.... that is merely a metaphor. We have to have secular words for those whom do not believe on the father. For it would be offensive to those whom do not. And also is why it's referred to as the second death. Yes our mortal bodies will die eventually. But WE have not died at that moment. NO one DIES until judgement day.


if you claim that no one dies until Jugement day.....then that would mean that Jesus didn't die on the cross ...and you are once again preaching false testimony

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Fri 10/22/10 08:54 AM


we do not worship a man... Jesus. We worship our father through Jesus. Through Jesus we are made pure. God turns away from sin, that is why we need Jesus to cleanse us of our sins and make us presentable to our father.


Cowboy...explain how an omnipresent God that supposedly exist everywhere be able to turn away from sin ...


Do you really not understand metaphorical speaking, or figuratively speaking, or are you just trying to cause trouble?

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