AMEN!!! very beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

an incorrupible body mean that Jesus body would not decay or need to be replenish with food and drink ....so if Jesus had the need to eat and drink then he was not always in an incorruptible body and you are giving false testimony



iccorruptible body refers to the spiritual body not the physcial body because an incorruptible physical body was not meant to be in Heaven ...as you can read in the passage below



this means that if Jesus was resurrected as flesh and blood even in an incorruptible body he still can not inherit the kingdom of God .....he must die a (second death)to rid himself of flesh and blood and become spirit .....

Hallelujah hallelujah praise the lord ...now that the sermon is over can you tell me where to send the tithes so that we can get on with the debate

1 Corinthians 15:53

53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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No we just have to be incorruptible. We are made incorruptible through Jesus Christ for he was incorruptible.

now pull the passage that even come close to state that the incorruptible body means the flesh and blood physical body because I already prove that flesh and blood bodies can not inherit the kingdom of Heaven only the spirit/soul is resurrected




if Jesus body was incorruptible...then after he was resurrected did he eat food or take drink? ...

incorruptible has nothing to do with food or water lol. Incorruptible as in not being corrupted by sin. Sin is a disease if you may. It decays us as we do them. It destroys the temple of God. It corrupts it.

Think of the word funches. If a company does evil actions and cheats people out of money and or any other sinful action it is CORRUPTED. If someone does evil actions and sins it is CORRUPTED.

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Guess what!

An angel came to me in my sleep last night and told me that god does not exist!

Let's end this discussion and go play some ball, boys...

if incorruptible has nothing to do with food and drink...then when people are resurrected on judgement will they have to eat food and take drink?

I do not personally know. That is irrelevant and or is not important to the salvation of souls to know of such information.

well it's revelant because you asked to define what a human is...you claim that you do not know personally if the ressurected will need to eat food and take drink ...so do you personally know if humans need to eat food and take of drink?

Yes we need food and drink now. But Jesus says he will change us. And does not go into detail bout how we will be change and or what will be changed about us. I do not believe we'll need food or water, but nevertheless it says nothing on it in the word of God. It's not really important enough to put much energy into anyways. Even if I know if we would or not after we're resurrected, that will not give me salvation therefore it is not important to know. We'll just find out if and when we get there.

well I guess the simpliest thing to ask is will humans of flesh and bones be in Heaven or will those that enter Heaven be "changed" into something other than Human?

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54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
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When we are born we are corruptible. Through Jesus Christ we are incorruptible and will live for eternity. Any more then that is irrelevant and isn't important to know. Wouldn't matter if we were "humans" in heaven or "giraffes" in heaven, it's pointless to ponder on such things.

Cowboy...the question is not pointless since you were the one that ask to define what a human is....so let's see if those in Heaven will still be what constitute as being a human

"The Question"
will those in Heaven be a human of flesh and bones or will those in Heaven be changed into something other than human and what will they be changed into?

some good quotes for you guys...

"Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of the universe. A spirit vastly superior to that of man." -Albert Einstein


and


"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force. We must assume behind this force is the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." -Max Planck -The Father of Quantum Physics 1858-1947


Enjoy!!

"The ONLY way our father kills anyone is at judgement, and that death is from not having received the gift of eternal life. "

This is incorrect. Nobody dies. Good Christians go to heaven, bad people and good non-Christians go to hell.

An eternal pain and torture in hellfire is not exactly "death". It is life, not a good one, but only sentient people can experience pain, and apparently there is a lot of it in hell, from what I hear.

So everyone recieves the gift of eternal life. Some get a good gift of eternal good life, some get a gift they want to throw out, the gift of eternal horrible life.

I really don't know where you are coming from with this "death of a soul" stuff, brother.

Yes, agreed. That spirit lives on that newly discovered planet. He has many other similar spirits, housed in bodies; one spirit, one body, one vote each.


A spirit is not able to exist without a body it uses for a house.




Assume... assume... it is not knowledge. It is the opinion of one private guy. Yes, he was smart, but so was Jesus warn't he.

You religionnaires... you got so used to quoting authority and believing it due to your ignorance in logical matters, that you think a fallacy that appeals to authority is automatically accepted by all.

Well, it is not.

You talk to a jesus-follower... you quote jesus.

You talk to an atheist... you quote a scientist.

I dare you to take a serious quote from an atheist that tells the world there is a god.

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The point is that the existence of God cannot be disproven, and the non-existence of God cannot be disproven by scientific means. By quoting very famous scientists for their beliefs, you essentially quote two humans who believe in god. The fact these humans were extremely, but extremely smart, has nothing to do with the truth value of their statements about the existence of God. They were smart, yes, but ab ovo smarts can't prove or disprove neither the existence nor the non-existence of god.

So... yes. These guys said what they said. Pope Augustine the XIV said as a statement of infallibility, that "those who believe in the Antipodes are heretical and will burn in hell for ever, for they get excommunicated instantly." The Antipodes lived in what we call "Australia" now. Completely sacreligious. The Church and religion in its best role does not talk about facts, hard scientific facts, it talks about moral guidance and gives us guidance in ethical and religious issues. Apparently a beliefe that people live in Australia is a morally incompatible belief with God's command for man.

So, in light of the above, who looks stupid? I, for not believing a scientist when he makes a statement of personal belief, or you, when you say authority derives from god, and the power of the Pope to issue statements ex cathedra must be accepted without reservations, and the pope says people don't exist on Australia?

Assume... Assume... Can you tell me where the hell do you get this info? It is not knowledge...

Einstein also stated that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light....which means that light is faster than spirit



if the mind is the matrix of all matter....that would then make the mind "the force" ...and make the mind God

the bible has many stories of people placing something before God and God then destroying them....placing Jesus with more authority before God as the only way to God points to why God will use the rapture to get rid of Christianity....for God is a jealous God