No one is putting Jesus before God. Jesus is the way to our father. You're saying we're claiming the road to the hospital is more important then the hospital because we need the road to get to the hospital. Ultimately our father is most important, he is more important then ANYTHING.

jeez another Triple contradiction







so which is it Cowboys..if God is the most important than "ANYTHING" and no one is putting Jesus before God then wouldn't that mean that all one has to do is worship God solely

bad example...because there are many hospitals and more than one road to them

Ok lets get all technical then. You're on an Island with ONE hospital. ONE road to this hospital. Yes the road is occasionally a bit bumpy along the way. You can choose to either walk around along in the woods in a lost confusion thinking you're going in the direction of the one and only true heaven. Or you can choose to obey our father and follow the path he has lit up for us giving us strength along this road. And along this road to heaven, you'll have a guide. Someone to feed you, someone to keep you safe, and someone to accompany you. Jesus is the pathway, the guardian, and the friend we'll ever need.

You forget, we as the human race turned away from God. We walked away from him and his glory when we decided to sin and be disobedient. And since we turned away from God, we've become lost, wondering around this world and do not know exactly how to get back to him. Thus we need Jesus to give us instructions back to our father so that we can see him and be near. Unless you know how to get to heaven by yourself, if so I would love to know how.

Follow your path... Heaven is somewhere on the journey.

To the OP...

No the Rapture will not rid the earth of Christianity... It will instead rid Christians of the Earth that they are exorted not to love.

Fair exchange.

We as the human race have never turned away from god because he/she/it doesn't exist. Making getting to heaven a false premise of manipulation used by the religious to try to draw other humans into their cult.

Guilt, fear, reward, etc... are all used by the religious draw and control those they target for their religion/cult.

Truly, and the sad thing about it is that often times the victims of these cults are brainwashed by the doctrine to become proselytizers themselves.

It's so utterly absurd to think that a God would place people's fates in the hands of other people. But that's precisely what would be happening if people needed to be convinced by other people to believe in God.

Am I worthy of God?

Well, if I am, then why do people not TRUST God enough to recognize this?

On the other hand, if I'm unworthy of God and I'm on my way to be condemned, then clearly God is cool with that. So why should any human be distraught about it? Do they not TRUST God enough to know who's worthy of saving and who's not?

An intelligent person shouldn't need to think about this very much before they realize how utterly absurd evangelism is. It makes absolutely no sense at all to think that someone's salvation would depend on another person. That implies that evangelists are saving unworthy souls, or that worthy souls would be lost if evangelists weren't out there trying to 'save' them.

It's utterly absurd.

Either God knows who's naughty and nice, or he doesn't. He doesn't need any evangelists to go around trying to get people to believe in certain interpretations of some idiotic book in order to be 'saved'.

That's just so utterly ridiculous it's almost impossible to believe that people can be so gullible. Yet they ARE!

It's just incredible.

Jesus, "The Christ Almighty" who can't be trusted to save worthy souls on his own without his army of evangelists nagging everyone to believe in him.

Onward Christian Solider!

It's incredibly silly if you stop and think about it for even a mere moment.

I mean, even if there was initially something to these fables and rumors, they've clearly been lost over the ages.

Even the Gospels have Jesus saying that if a Shepard loses a sheep he goes out looking for it, and when he finds it he rejoices with love for the lost sheep even more than the ones that were not lost as he carries it back home.

Well, duh?

Where does that leave the evangelists? Evidently Jesus is prepared to go out and find his own lost sheep! Obviously the evangelists don't TRUST Jesus to keep HIS WORD.

if one is lost they are supposed to ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, this is why to claim that Jesus is the only way to God is false testimony

it's not the Earth that christians don't love and wish to get away from ...it's people

Christians expect Heaven to be like Earth but ruled under a dictatorship

And Jesus is the path to the Holy Ghost, he is the way. Accepting Jesus as lord and saviour purifies you. You accept Jesus' sacrifice as your own. And as that's done you are forgiven of your sins and are made pure and acceptable in the site of our father, the Holy Ghost, and of course Jesus.

if God is supposedly omnipresent which means he supposedly exist everywhere he therefore would need no path...so is God omnipresent or not

Oh but you forget God turns away from sin. Thus why someone whom is sinful will not enter into the Kingdom of God, thus why we need Jesus and his sacrifice he gave for us to be seen as pure and pleasant in the sight of our father.

explain how God who is supposedly omnipresent can turn away from sin ....if he supposedly exist everywhere in all places exactly which direction can he turn away to? ...this is why Jesus is not needed to get to God

Well explain why people run into other people walking in a wide open room. They are both present, but do not see each other. Someone can be present in the same area and not see you, thus they have turned away from you. Again, just because two beings are in the same room, does NOT mean they acknowledge one another.

Cowboy...that's a pretty bad example because people walking in a room does not equate to the omnipresence of a God...because they would have no need to walk they would just be everywhere at one time

so can you provide a passage from the bible that states that God turns away from sin .....if you can not find such a passage then that means you are once again making up stuff and preaching false testimony to hide the fact that Jesus is not needed as a way to a God that is omnipresent

No it's not a bad example. For you are in the same room with someone, both present in the room, but not acknowledge one another.

And God doesn't necessarily turn away from sin for sin is the act of turning away from our father. Sin is an act of disobedience, it's not a solid substance.

So therefore if you turn away from our father you turn away from heaven and all it's great wonders, therefore you could not possibly find it if you have turned away from it. So that is why Jesus offers, he offers forgiveness of our sins and guide us back to our father.

people and neither omnipresent nor God and that is why your example is a bad one .....also I'm still waiting on you to provide a passage from the bible which states that God turns away from sin .......

is there such a passage or are you preaching false testimony?

And I said no, there is no need for such. For sinning itself is turning away from God in the first place.

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You're walking down a hallway, you come to a place you can continue to go forward, you can turn left, or you can turn around. If you go left or turn around YOU would be turning away from God, not God turning away from you.

Of course in this example going left or turning around would be a sinful action.

Cowboy....you said that it was God himself that turned away from sin ...and since you just claim that you can't find a passage that states this you where preaching false testimony once again and lying about God......and you wonder why the rapture will be use to rid the planet of Christianity