some believe that their gift of Heaven will be 72 virgins...but have you ever wonder why those virgins are still virgins ...and besides if you are dead what the heck can you do with them ..all you can do is look and not touch which is why the gift seem more like a gag ...an eternal torment...

some believe that their gift of Heaven will be eternal life ...but what they fail to realize is they will be dead and no longer be what constitute as being a human ...they would have entered into the realm of the paranormal... first they will be raised from the graves as Zombies then they will have to be killed in order to get rid of their physical bodies and then turned into what constitute as being Casper the friendly ghost ...doom forever to haunt Heaven just like the ghosts that supposedly haunt haunted houses here on Earth ...but anyway "Happy Halloween"

also those that speak of Heaven tell about how there will be forests and waterfalls but none of it would be real everything in Heaven would be a delusion created by God ...

and exactly what will there be to do in Heaven clearly none of the wordily things done here on Earth will be allowed ..so far all that will be allowed in Heaven is to serve God and/or praise God and nothing more and this is the type of destiny they preach to others to accept....the right to be a ghost .....forever? .......and amazingly some believers are puzzle as to why some are not interested in going to Heaven

so is the gift of Heaven a gift or a gag or perhaps a nightmare...and why

first they will be raised from the graves as Zombies

Heaven is eternal life. Eternal life of worshipping our great father. And no it won't be in heaven as heaven is today. After the judgement period Heaven will be brought down to earth.

Yeah really. Don't want to miss the wedding when Jesus makes up with his divorced wife of Israel and they have their second marriage.

It's going to be quite a party!

Every mouth will have a piece of wedding cake, and every tongue will lick the icing! And they'll live happily every after being ruled by Jesus from his throne in Jerusalem in the capital nation of Israel.

All the Jews will be sticking their tongues out at the Christians as the obediently Christians toil in the gardens of eden to bring food for the Jewish festivals in Israel.

Of course the Christians will be told not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of oppression. We wouldn't want the Christians to know that they are being eternally oppressed.

I don't understand the attraction of an eternity of "Worshiping the Holy Father." I mean a time spent 24/7/365 (yes, I know time doesn't apply) doing nothing but singing hymns of praise and prostligating yourself before the Lord. It sounds like slavery to me. After living an entire life on earth having free will and the ability to make choices for yourself to end up with the promise of a life of servitude sounds, well, like a rip off.


This whole 72 virgins thing sounds like a rip off too. I mean maybe one or two would be a nice change of pace, but after that, you're going to want a pro or two. And just what do you do with them? I mean your going to have to take care and provide for all those women (I'm assuming their women, you might get hosed and get all trekkies), what's that going to cost your eternal soul? Maybe a deal with the devil.


Me, I was raised fire and brimstone and pit of hell type Christian. I know Cowboy believes that non-christians go to oblivion and that's it, but I was taught to believe in hell. At least with hell, you have an option. God grants all humans dominion over angels and demons, and with that knowledge you have the comfort of knowing you can at least rule in hell.

I don't understand the attraction of an eternity of "Worshiping the Holy Father." I mean a time spent 24/7/365 (yes, I know time doesn't apply) doing nothing but singing hymns of praise and prostligating yourself before the Lord. It sounds like slavery to me. After living an entire life on earth having free will and the ability to make choices for yourself to end up with the promise of a life of servitude sounds, well, like a rip off.


This whole 72 virgins thing sounds like a rip off too. I mean maybe one or two would be a nice change of pace, but after that, you're going to want a pro or two. And just what do you do with them? I mean your going to have to take care and provide for all those women (I'm assuming their women, you might get hosed and get all trekkies), what's that going to cost your eternal soul? Maybe a deal with the devil.


Me, I was raised fire and brimstone and pit of hell type Christian. I know Cowboy believes that non-christians go to oblivion and that's it, but I was taught to believe in hell. At least with hell, you have an option. God grants all humans dominion over angels and demons, and with that knowledge you have the comfort of knowing you can at least rule in hell.

Heaven is eternal life. Eternal life of worshipping our great father. And no it won't be in heaven as heaven is today. After the judgement period Heaven will be brought down to earth.

This is just yet another reason to dismiss the biblical fables. These fables require that physical bodies be raised from their graves in order for souls to ascend to heaven.

Jesus supposedly physically rose from his grave and his physical body then ascended to heaven.

Here Matthew speaks of many saints being risen from their graves as zombies at the time of the supposed resurrection of Jesus.


Matthew 27:

[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Notice several things in the writings of Matthew here.

First, Jesus cried out in a loud voice and then "yielded up the ghost". In other words, he died, or his spirit left his body. That's what Matthew was attempting to say here.

But then he writes about the earth quaking and rocks renting and graves are physically open, and out of the graves came the bodies of saints which slept but now have arisen.

There's all manner of problems with this line of thinking. For one thing, spirits (or souls) would need to remain with a physical carcass until they are physically removed from their burial site. Which would required the opening of the graves.

These physical bodies are then transferred to heaven to be repaired, rejuvenated or, possibly have the spirits or souls detached from them there? Who knows? It's a silly myth.

Also, this begs the question of what happens to those people who were cremated or otherwise had their bodies destroyed beyond any recognizable physical form? Are their spirits or souls destroyed in that process?

I think MOST PEOPLE visualize an invisible soul or spirit simply leaving a body at the moment it dies. Just like even Matthew himself describe Jesus as having "Yielded up the Ghost"

Matthew is not the only one who thought like this:


Ezek.37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.


This is just the superstitious way that people thought back then. They believed that the soul is locked in the body until some God comes along and retrieve's it.

If there is any truth to spirituality at all, the most likely truth is that the spirit leaves the body at the time of death.

So these ancient fables written by these Israelites are clearly just the imagination of men. They're man-made mythologies. The Bible is a collection of myths and fables made up by men. And yes, these myths and superstitions were indeed written about their lifetimes, and thus they would still contain some historical truths. For example, an actual man named "Jesus" or whatever, probably did have a ministry of love and was wrongfully crucified, etc., etc., etc.

But that doesn't automatically make every single rumor that came out of that episode true.

if God is omnipotent then he clearly has the power to allow people to inherit Heaven without first having to kill them....the fact that God deem that no physical bodies can inherit Heaven only stands to show how God himself have rituals and a religion that he follows and therefore more than likely worship a God higher than himself

How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits.

Exactly.

Too bad you can't ask Matthew what he was thinking when he wrote about the graves being opened and zombie saints arising from them.

Too bad you can't ask Ezekiel why he thinks the Lord would need to open graves in order to bring the spirits of the dead into Israel.

I guess you're starting to recognize just how silly these biblical stories truly are.

First off I want to appologize for not being clear on what I was saying. I was meaning we will not have bodies as we know them today. This bodies we possess are merely a holding structure, a temple for the holy spirit.

Philippians 3:21

21Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

So as you can see, those people may have come out of the grave, but it does not say they were rotting and or in the same form and or body they originally were. For they were not, our bodies will be perfected through our lord and not have the frailties it has now.

This is just yet another reason to dismiss the biblical fables. These fables require that physical bodies be raised from their graves in order for souls to ascend to heaven.

Jesus supposedly physically rose from his grave and his physical body then ascended to heaven.

Here Matthew speaks of many saints being risen from their graves as zombies at the time of the supposed resurrection of Jesus.


Matthew 27:

[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Notice several things in the writings of Matthew here.

First, Jesus cried out in a loud voice and then "yielded up the ghost". In other words, he died, or his spirit left his body. That's what Matthew was attempting to say here.

But then he writes about the earth quaking and rocks renting and graves are physically open, and out of the graves came the bodies of saints which slept but now have arisen.

There's all manner of problems with this line of thinking. For one thing, spirits (or souls) would need to remain with a physical carcass until they are physically removed from their burial site. Which would required the opening of the graves.

These physical bodies are then transferred to heaven to be repaired, rejuvenated or, possibly have the spirits or souls detached from them there? Who knows? It's a silly myth.

Also, this begs the question of what happens to those people who were cremated or otherwise had their bodies destroyed beyond any recognizable physical form? Are their spirits or souls destroyed in that process?

I think MOST PEOPLE visualize an invisible soul or spirit simply leaving a body at the moment it dies. Just like even Matthew himself describe Jesus as having "Yielded up the Ghost"

Matthew is not the only one who thought like this:


Ezek.37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.


This is just the superstitious way that people thought back then. They believed that the soul is locked in the body until some God comes along and retrieve's it.

If there is any truth to spirituality at all, the most likely truth is that the spirit leaves the body at the time of death.

So these ancient fables written by these Israelites are clearly just the imagination of men. They're man-made mythologies. The Bible is a collection of myths and fables made up by men. And yes, these myths and superstitions were indeed written about their lifetimes, and thus they would still contain some historical truths. For example, an actual man named "Jesus" or whatever, probably did have a ministry of love and was wrongfully crucified, etc., etc., etc.

But that doesn't automatically make every single rumor that came out of that episode true.

The things that you need to believe in this mythology are truly insane. What would a spiritual God even need physical bodies to work with in the first place? The idea of graves being opened to resurrect souls is simply a nonsensical superstitious idea better saved for cheap horror films.

This supposedly "all-powerful" God does this sort of thing all through the entire fable.

Instead of just creating woman, God had to create Eve starting with a RIB from Adam. But he supposedly created Adam from the dust of the Earth. Why did he need a rib to get Eve started? This kind of think is just plain silliness. Clearly the authors who made up that myth were attempting to make women 'inferior' to men, and even made "of" men so that they can be viewed as "possessions" of men. After all, if woman was made from the rib of man, then clearly she belongs to man.

Can you not see how this fable suits a male-chauvinistic patriarchal society and doesn't even begin to reflect what an all-wise, all-powerful creator would truly be like?

The fable is simply too lame to be from an all-wise all-powerful God.

Same is true in the tale of the great flood. God wants to kill the sinners and not the animals, so he has Noah build an ark to save the animals whilst he floods out the sinners.

An all-wise and all-powerful entity could solve this problem far better. In fact, the best way to solve the problem IMHO, would have simply been to intervene a bit earlier before things got so horrible out of control. God could have simply made all the sinners sterile so they couldn't procreate. Then after a mere generation or two they'd all be gone. No need for a messy flood, and no need to even kill anyone unnaturally.

The biblical God simply doesn't use "wise" methods to solve his problem. You can call him "all-wise" until the cows come home, but the stories of his behavior tell a vividly different tale.

The same thing is true for the Canaanites. He was supposedly screwing around with them for 400 years! Well, in 400 years time if he wanted to get rid of them all he had to do was make them sterile at any point and quite providing them with "new souls" for their babies. Just let their babies be still-born, or make them totally impotent and not even allow them to have sex at all.

See I'm FAR WISER than the biblical God. I could have solved all these petty problems quite easily with no mess.

Instead, the Biblical God allows them to continue to procreate right up until he has to tell his people to mass murder them including their women, children, and innocent babiest.

I'm sorry Cowboy, but this biblical mythology just isn't even close to being wise. It's just a really poorly made-up superstitious tales.

There's just no wisdom in it. Period.

I mean, hey if the bible was full of truly WISE stories that really made sense I might have been impressed with it myself. But let's face it, that's NOT the case. These tales are utterly absurd and display no wisdom whatsoever.

None. Period.

Therefore, they can't be tales about a supposedly "all-wise" God. It's simply not an "all-wise" fable. It's that simple.

Recognize it for what it is, and move on with your life. There are far better spiritual philosophies to be had. If you want to believe in a truly all-wise God that can truly do great things, you've simply chosen a really bad mythology for that, because these tales simply don't exhibit the kind of God that you'd like God to be.

Why choose to worship an inferior picture of a God?

Why have you rejected Zeus?

If you can reject Zeus, then you shouldn't have any problem rejecting the Hebrew mythology just as easily.

Was it easy to reject Zeus simply because he didn't threaten to kill you if you rejected him?

How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits.

I don't understand the attraction of an eternity of "Worshiping the Holy Father." I mean a time spent 24/7/365 (yes, I know time doesn't apply) doing nothing but singing hymns of praise and prostligating yourself before the Lord. It sounds like slavery to me. After living an entire life on earth having free will and the ability to make choices for yourself to end up with the promise of a life of servitude sounds, well, like a rip off.