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Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them. My problem is, once you let them in a little bit, they will take more and more and more. The slow invasion on our right to privacy since 9-11 is proof of that. well, nothing prevents federal, state amd municipal governments from inacting gun laws and restrictions. it's not about letting them in. it's about there's nothing can prevent it. Then screw the non Law Enforcement people who actually need automatic weapons? why does anyone "need" an automatic weapon? Self Defense, especially when a lot of Criminal's have military grade weapons and explosives(most commonly Gang Members) and even outgun Law Enforcement. They also use military style assaults when executing Armored Car Heists, just look at what Bob Matthwes and his White Power gang did on their robberies. Anyone is the positions I listed has possible needs for an Automatic Weapon. |
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Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them. My problem is, once you let them in a little bit, they will take more and more and more. The slow invasion on our right to privacy since 9-11 is proof of that. well, nothing prevents federal, state amd municipal governments from inacting gun laws and restrictions. it's not about letting them in. it's about there's nothing can prevent it. Then screw the non Law Enforcement people who actually need automatic weapons? why does anyone "need" an automatic weapon? Self Defense, especially when a lot of Criminal's have military grade weapons and explosives(most commonly Gang Members) and even outgun Law Enforcement. They also use military style assaults when executing Armored Car Heists, just look at what Bob Matthwes and his White Power gang did on their robberies. Anyone is the positions I listed has possible needs for an Automatic Weapon. fine, let law enforcement and armored car guards carry automatic weapons. but does the average citizen require one for self defense? just what are the statistics of "a lot of crimanals,"say an army ranger squad size, invading a home? |
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Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them. My problem is, once you let them in a little bit, they will take more and more and more. The slow invasion on our right to privacy since 9-11 is proof of that. well, nothing prevents federal, state amd municipal governments from inacting gun laws and restrictions. it's not about letting them in. it's about there's nothing can prevent it. Then screw the non Law Enforcement people who actually need automatic weapons? why does anyone "need" an automatic weapon? Self Defense, especially when a lot of Criminal's have military grade weapons and explosives(most commonly Gang Members) and even outgun Law Enforcement. They also use military style assaults when executing Armored Car Heists, just look at what Bob Matthwes and his White Power gang did on their robberies. Anyone is the positions I listed has possible needs for an Automatic Weapon. fine, let law enforcement and armored car guards carry automatic weapons. but does the average citizen require one for self defense? just what are the statistics of "a lot of crimanals,"say an army ranger squad size, invading a home? What makes them so special? Are they above everyone else? Hell they abuse their power half the damn time, so you wanna give them more? Yeah that's a great idea......... |
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Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them. My problem is, once you let them in a little bit, they will take more and more and more. The slow invasion on our right to privacy since 9-11 is proof of that. well, nothing prevents federal, state amd municipal governments from inacting gun laws and restrictions. it's not about letting them in. it's about there's nothing can prevent it. Then screw the non Law Enforcement people who actually need automatic weapons? why does anyone "need" an automatic weapon? Self Defense, especially when a lot of Criminal's have military grade weapons and explosives(most commonly Gang Members) and even outgun Law Enforcement. They also use military style assaults when executing Armored Car Heists, just look at what Bob Matthwes and his White Power gang did on their robberies. Anyone is the positions I listed has possible needs for an Automatic Weapon. fine, let law enforcement and armored car guards carry automatic weapons. but does the average citizen require one for self defense? just what are the statistics of "a lot of crimanals,"say an army ranger squad size, invading a home? You left out Bail Enforcement, Security, Bodyguards, Contractors etc. A lot of criminals meaning A LOT of criminals. Gang members and organized crime members all have Military grade weapons and explosives. Yes the average person does. What if your grouped up on 4 to 1 and they ALL have weapons? Besides it is extremly hard to get the permit to even buy an Automatic Weapon. Some states don't even allow it. It's not like the basic background check when you buy a gun. It's really extensive. |
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Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them. My problem is, once you let them in a little bit, they will take more and more and more. The slow invasion on our right to privacy since 9-11 is proof of that. well, nothing prevents federal, state amd municipal governments from inacting gun laws and restrictions. it's not about letting them in. it's about there's nothing can prevent it. That's the entire problem though in a nutshell, we've given all the power over to them, instead of saying no. you're problem in a nutshell. not mine. and 'we the people' gave the power to them in 1789. nothing new here. No it's everyone's problem, because if they control me they control you too. We're all under the same laws. None of us are immune.  Great comeback, come up with something beyond a namecall and I might respect you. |
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Only certain Automatic Weapons should be restricted. There are people who arn't in Law Enforcement who do have a use and serious need for them. My problem is, once you let them in a little bit, they will take more and more and more. The slow invasion on our right to privacy since 9-11 is proof of that. well, nothing prevents federal, state amd municipal governments from inacting gun laws and restrictions. it's not about letting them in. it's about there's nothing can prevent it. Then screw the non Law Enforcement people who actually need automatic weapons? why does anyone "need" an automatic weapon? Self Defense, especially when a lot of Criminal's have military grade weapons and explosives(most commonly Gang Members) and even outgun Law Enforcement. They also use military style assaults when executing Armored Car Heists, just look at what Bob Matthwes and his White Power gang did on their robberies. Anyone is the positions I listed has possible needs for an Automatic Weapon. fine, let law enforcement and armored car guards carry automatic weapons. but does the average citizen require one for self defense? just what are the statistics of "a lot of crimanals,"say an army ranger squad size, invading a home? What makes them so special? Are they above everyone else? Hell they abuse their power half the damn time, so you wanna give them more? Yeah that's a great idea......... What makes them so special is they have a very high risk job where they deal with people on a daily basis who are trying to hurt or kill them and possess military grade weapons and using them against the police. |
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Yes but everyone should have the same rights, no one person should have more rights than someone else.
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Thu 07/14/11 05:39 PM
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A perfect example of why Law Enforcement should carry Automatic Weapons is the 1980 Norco Robbery and Shootout in LA, which because of the incident is why Law Enforcement started carrying heavy weapons. Prior to the incident Law Enforcement didn't have automatic weapons.
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Norco Bank Robbery ShootoutMay 9, 1980. Prolonged shootout and chase between police in Norco, California, and five heavily armed bank robbers wearing military-style fatigues and armed with assault rifles, thousands of rounds of hollow-point bullets as well as various explosive and incendiary devices. Police responded to a bank robbery call in Norco. Upon arriving the police were ambushed and outgunned.
After unloading over 300 rounds at police cruisers, the officers were forced to retreat behind their cruisers or nearby obstacles, all the while being fired upon. The suspects attempted to escape in their own vehicle. During this attempt, the driver of the suspects was killed by a stray police shot. The suspects then hijacked a nearby vehicle and became involved in a prolonged chase, in which the suspects shot at police and disabled and destroyed 33 police vehicles (as well as civilian cars) with explosives thrown from the back of a truck. The suspects also disabled a police helicopter by shooting at it. Later, the suspects layed in wait for police as they chased them, and ambushed them, resulting in the death of a police officer and wounding 2 others. Heavily outgunned, the police were pinned down until one officer arrived with an AR-15. After the police engaged the suspects with the AR-15, the suspects fled. One of the suspects was killed in the shootout, one during a later standoff with the police the next day, and three were later captured. 8 officers were also wounded during the events.[ After this incident the San Bernardino County Sheriffs department as well as other Law Enforcement Agencies across the country equipped their deputies with Ruger Mini-14's chambered in .223 Remington as well as the M-16 and AR-15 and now M4 Carbine. Although the robbery happened in 1980, such was its impact that even today it is still used to train law enforcement personnel in anti-terrorism and survival tactics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norco_shootout#Aftermath |
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You left out Bail Enforcement, Security, Bodyguards, Contractors etc. no you left them out. i responded to YOUR post where you only mentioned law enforcement and armord truck guards. A lot of criminals meaning A LOT of criminals. Gang members and organized crime members all have Military grade weapons and explosives. Yes the average person does. What if your grouped up on 4 to 1 and they ALL have weapons? yes, what if. did you find those statistics that show 'a lot of criminals' invade the average person's home??? Besides it is extremly hard to get the permit to even buy an Automatic Weapon. Some states don't even allow it. It's not like the basic background check when you buy a gun. It's really extensive. no argument there. as it should be. i'm all for strict gun control. |
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Thu 07/14/11 05:48 PM
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Yes but everyone should have the same rights, no one person should have more rights than someone else. everyone does have the same rights and the laws apply equally to everybody. nobody has the right to break the law if you're thinking criminals have rights the rest of us don't. |
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You left out Bail Enforcement, Security, Bodyguards, Contractors etc. no you left them out. i responded to YOUR post where you only mentioned law enforcement and armord truck guards. A lot of criminals meaning A LOT of criminals. Gang members and organized crime members all have Military grade weapons and explosives. Yes the average person does. What if your grouped up on 4 to 1 and they ALL have weapons? yes, what if. did you find those statistics that show 'a lot of criminals' invade the average person's home??? Besides it is extremly hard to get the permit to even buy an Automatic Weapon. Some states don't even allow it. It's not like the basic background check when you buy a gun. It's really extensive. no argument there. as it should be. i'm all for strict gun control. No this was my post from page 2 "Banning automatic weapons would totally screw people who are Bail Enforcement Agents, Military contractors(since they are civilian and not Law Enforcement or Military), Body Guards, Security Officers, former Military members, Armored Money Transport Services, Personal and Property Protective Services and people who own property or live on the border to Mexico are just some of the Non Law Enforcement people who would have a need and use for automatic weapons." |
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You left out Bail Enforcement, Security, Bodyguards, Contractors etc. no you left them out. i responded to YOUR post where you only mentioned law enforcement and armord truck guards. A lot of criminals meaning A LOT of criminals. Gang members and organized crime members all have Military grade weapons and explosives. Yes the average person does. What if your grouped up on 4 to 1 and they ALL have weapons? yes, what if. did you find those statistics that show 'a lot of criminals' invade the average person's home??? Besides it is extremly hard to get the permit to even buy an Automatic Weapon. Some states don't even allow it. It's not like the basic background check when you buy a gun. It's really extensive. no argument there. as it should be. i'm all for strict gun control. I never said a lot of criminals invade people homes, I said a lot of criminals have military grade weapons and explosives. |
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i'm not for strict gun control, but i do see automatic weapons as useless for the common person, meaning anyone other than law enforcement, and they really don't need them, just the swat teams...
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and people actually want to eas gun control restrictions. just what we need. more people like this looney carrying. There will always be more sane people with guns than insane. I love westerns, but did you know they are all BS? Everybody had guns, very few people were brave or dumb enough to pull one out. The average number of murders for old west towns in a year was 3-4. Remember the Gunfight at the OK Corral? Five people were killed in that event, that was the total number of people killed in Tombstone that year. More guns make us safer, not less safe. Westerns aren't real? Seriously? No!!! There goes my last hope for mankind! I suppose next you will tell me that jackalopes aren't real?  How ya doin' spider! It's been a while. |
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A perfect example of why Law Enforcement should carry Automatic Weapons is the 1980 Norco Robbery and Shootout in LA, which because of the incident is why Law Enforcement started carrying heavy weapons. Prior to the incident Law Enforcement didn't have automatic weapons. I'm not arguing they shouldn't, but when you give them all the power......you're asking for trouble. |
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Yes but everyone should have the same rights, no one person should have more rights than someone else. everyone does have the same rights and the laws apply equally to everybody. nobody has the right to break the law if you're thinking criminals have rights the rest of us don't. Not saying that either, but I don't like how because one in a position of authority, they get to have something someone else can't. |
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i'm not for strict gun control, but i do see automatic weapons as useless for the common person, meaning anyone other than law enforcement, and they really don't need them, just the swat teams... Yea they do, and not just the swat teams. The post about the Norco incident I posted is a perfect example. Also here in Nevada in the rural counties it's usually only one State Trooper on his own with no locals and the closest other officer over an hour out. That is way to dangerous especially if someone pulls out some serious firepower. THey definately need them and do carry them. |
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i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot. Except the sad truth is that even in situation where a legal gun owner is in one of these situations, they never stop the mayhem. Never. So the legal gun toters do good with their guns never. But they let their kids shoot each other or the neighbors kids. they get mad at their job and blow a few folks away, they brandish their guns to intimidate like idiots, they let their guns get stolen and in the hands of criminals, etc... And I am not against guns completely but there are too many irresponsible and too looney to have a gun and they get them. |
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