Topic: This is part of gun safety?
Lpdon's photo
Thu 07/14/11 08:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqfrr26yTSY

Exactly why they need fully automatic weapons.

The audio clips of the panicked officers radio traffic. Same incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkEt2Fr1kZg

Watch both and tell me they don't need them. None of them had automatic weapons and a nearby gun shop provided the cops with AR-15's and thats how they were able to stop this madness. If they would have had them to begin with it would have ended A LOT sooner.

Kleisto's photo
Thu 07/14/11 09:04 PM


i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.


Except the sad truth is that even in situation where a legal gun owner is in one of these situations, they never stop the mayhem.

Never.

So the legal gun toters do good with their guns never. But they let their kids shoot each other or the neighbors kids. they get mad at their job and blow a few folks away, they brandish their guns to intimidate like idiots, they let their guns get stolen and in the hands of criminals, etc...

And I am not against guns completely but there are too many irresponsible and too looney to have a gun and they get them.


It is not fair to punish everyone for the sins of a few. People should be held responsible for themselves, and themselves only. They mess up, it's on THEM, and no one else.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 09:12 PM



i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.


Except the sad truth is that even in situation where a legal gun owner is in one of these situations, they never stop the mayhem.

Never.

So the legal gun toters do good with their guns never. But they let their kids shoot each other or the neighbors kids. they get mad at their job and blow a few folks away, they brandish their guns to intimidate like idiots, they let their guns get stolen and in the hands of criminals, etc...

And I am not against guns completely but there are too many irresponsible and too looney to have a gun and they get them.


It is not fair to punish everyone for the sins of a few. People should be held responsible for themselves, and themselves only. They mess up, it's on THEM, and no one else.


did you look at that post about mind control?

Kleisto's photo
Thu 07/14/11 10:57 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 07/14/11 10:59 PM




i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.


Except the sad truth is that even in situation where a legal gun owner is in one of these situations, they never stop the mayhem.

Never.

So the legal gun toters do good with their guns never. But they let their kids shoot each other or the neighbors kids. they get mad at their job and blow a few folks away, they brandish their guns to intimidate like idiots, they let their guns get stolen and in the hands of criminals, etc...

And I am not against guns completely but there are too many irresponsible and too looney to have a gun and they get them.


It is not fair to punish everyone for the sins of a few. People should be held responsible for themselves, and themselves only. They mess up, it's on THEM, and no one else.


did you look at that post about mind control?


Yeah I did, sorry I never got back to it. But yeah there's definitely a lot of things going on that we are not privy to like this.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 10:59 PM





i have never been against guns actually in some cases i wish people did have guns besides the ones who shouldn't,like the Virginia Tech incident just to name one.In most circumstances i'd rather it be them and not me who gets shot.


Except the sad truth is that even in situation where a legal gun owner is in one of these situations, they never stop the mayhem.

Never.

So the legal gun toters do good with their guns never. But they let their kids shoot each other or the neighbors kids. they get mad at their job and blow a few folks away, they brandish their guns to intimidate like idiots, they let their guns get stolen and in the hands of criminals, etc...

And I am not against guns completely but there are too many irresponsible and too looney to have a gun and they get them.


It is not fair to punish everyone for the sins of a few. People should be held responsible for themselves, and themselves only. They mess up, it's on THEM, and no one else.


did you look at that post about mind control?


Yeah I did, sorry I never got back to it. But yeah there's definitely a lot of things going on that we are not privy to like this.

i'll check it out..

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:00 PM
you changed it while i was typing...lol

Kleisto's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:01 PM

you changed it while i was typing...lol


lol sorry, I just figured you knew it was since it was mentioned in the link or one of them lol.

no photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:28 PM
I have a right to protect myself, as does anyone. If i got into trouble by using a gun, so be it. I won't have my rights violated just so that criminals can get away with shooting the innocent.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:32 PM

I have a right to protect myself, as does anyone. If i got into trouble by using a gun, so be it. I won't have my rights violated just so that criminals can get away with shooting the innocent.


thats why it is a good idea to know your local laws on guns and defense, just to keep you out of prison...

Kleisto's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:42 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Thu 07/14/11 11:43 PM


I have a right to protect myself, as does anyone. If i got into trouble by using a gun, so be it. I won't have my rights violated just so that criminals can get away with shooting the innocent.


thats why it is a good idea to know your local laws on guns and defense, just to keep you out of prison...


Shouldn't even come down to that, that we've let it shows our apathy towards things. And you know what? Honestly, if it meant saving the life of a friend or family member, I'll take the damn prison sentence. To hell with the law when obeying it means someone I know might end up dead.

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:47 PM
I just love how so many losers say, "If we get rid of the guns we can get rid of the crime."

Well, look at what gun control like that has done for England and other countries who adopted it. Crime on a startling increase especially against Sr. Citizens! Oh but I could post statistics that bear that out and no one will believe them.

Well, if we get rid of Cars and Alcohol we can get rid of drunk driving.

If we do away with ALL knives no one will get stabbed. Oh but we have to do away with other tools as well because I can club someone to death with a pipe wrench.

Some of you Quazi Liberals are such conceded idiots! Here is a little challenge, hike the Alaskan wilderness during the summer without the benefit of a gun. And when I say gun the smallest thing I would carry is a 12 gauge shotgun loading sabot slugs. Smallest hand gun I would carry, .44 magnum with the hottest loads I can get for it! I would NEVER trek Alaska unarmed at all! Bears could care less about your rights. They think we are dinner! And that isn't the only place in the world I would not go out into unarmed.

Try arguing your right to live with a bear. I bet some of you would be stupid enough to think you could mace them and run away! Mace only serves to piss a bear off most of the time! And they do have Adrenalin Rushes too! And a stun gun? Yeah, tell me you are willing to let a 1200 pound Kodiak get that close to you.

Now Mountain Lions are only about 150 lbs for a big one but some of them do hit 200 lbs. Want to argue with them? They have been known to tackle people. And wild dogs? Go ahead and underestimate a dog pack without protection. Be my guest.

And this gets good, how about a pissed off Moose? Think they won't stomp your azz into a bloody mud hole? And that is just in the real wild lands. Hell, wild pigs will even try to make a kill now and then and they are just as happy eating human flesh as anything else. Christ, they even eat BONES!

Now out in the wilderness the one animal I fear the most are the two legged coyotes! But you can find them in the cities too!

I swear the logic people go by sometimes baffles me. This is a case of truly ignorant people trying to make big decisions they are not really qualified to make!

So if you want to live gunless be my guest. If you are foolish enough to go into the wrong wild lands unarmed that means after you are dead and eaten I will have two points of joy to my life, less competition for the women for one, and you will be a pile is crap in two days thanks to that predator you ran afoul of! The again Deer have been known to attack people too and those antlers can really fuque a person up. I know way too many hunters who lost dogs to deer mauling them and I know of hunters who got caught by surprise by a defensive buck. Yep, we don't need guns. And we don't need working brains either, do we?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:51 PM



I have a right to protect myself, as does anyone. If i got into trouble by using a gun, so be it. I won't have my rights violated just so that criminals can get away with shooting the innocent.


thats why it is a good idea to know your local laws on guns and defense, just to keep you out of prison...


Shouldn't even come down to that, that we've let it shows our apathy towards things. And you know what? Honestly, if it meant saving the life of a friend or family member, I'll take the damn prison sentence. To hell with the law when obeying it means someone I know might end up dead.


i agree, but if you know the laws, you probably won't go to prison

mightymoe's photo
Thu 07/14/11 11:52 PM

I just love how so many losers say, "If we get rid of the guns we can get rid of the crime."

Well, look at what gun control like that has done for England and other countries who adopted it. Crime on a startling increase especially against Sr. Citizens! Oh but I could post statistics that bear that out and no one will believe them.

Well, if we get rid of Cars and Alcohol we can get rid of drunk driving.

If we do away with ALL knives no one will get stabbed. Oh but we have to do away with other tools as well because I can club someone to death with a pipe wrench.

Some of you Quazi Liberals are such conceded idiots! Here is a little challenge, hike the Alaskan wilderness during the summer without the benefit of a gun. And when I say gun the smallest thing I would carry is a 12 gauge shotgun loading sabot slugs. Smallest hand gun I would carry, .44 magnum with the hottest loads I can get for it! I would NEVER trek Alaska unarmed at all! Bears could care less about your rights. They think we are dinner! And that isn't the only place in the world I would not go out into unarmed.

Try arguing your right to live with a bear. I bet some of you would be stupid enough to think you could mace them and run away! Mace only serves to piss a bear off most of the time! And they do have Adrenalin Rushes too! And a stun gun? Yeah, tell me you are willing to let a 1200 pound Kodiak get that close to you.

Now Mountain Lions are only about 150 lbs for a big one but some of them do hit 200 lbs. Want to argue with them? They have been known to tackle people. And wild dogs? Go ahead and underestimate a dog pack without protection. Be my guest.

And this gets good, how about a pissed off Moose? Think they won't stomp your azz into a bloody mud hole? And that is just in the real wild lands. Hell, wild pigs will even try to make a kill now and then and they are just as happy eating human flesh as anything else. Christ, they even eat BONES!

Now out in the wilderness the one animal I fear the most are the two legged coyotes! But you can find them in the cities too!

I swear the logic people go by sometimes baffles me. This is a case of truly ignorant people trying to make big decisions they are not really qualified to make!

So if you want to live gunless be my guest. If you are foolish enough to go into the wrong wild lands unarmed that means after you are dead and eaten I will have two points of joy to my life, less competition for the women for one, and you will be a pile is crap in two days thanks to that predator you ran afoul of! The again Deer have been known to attack people too and those antlers can really fuque a person up. I know way too many hunters who lost dogs to deer mauling them and I know of hunters who got caught by surprise by a defensive buck. Yep, we don't need guns. And we don't need working brains either, do we?

if we got rid of people, then we couldn't kill each other...

Lpdon's photo
Fri 07/15/11 12:21 AM

you changed it while i was typing...lol


Did you watch the two Youtube videos yet?

Lpdon's photo
Fri 07/15/11 12:23 AM

I have a right to protect myself, as does anyone. If i got into trouble by using a gun, so be it. I won't have my rights violated just so that criminals can get away with shooting the innocent.


It's better to be judged by twelve then carried by six.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 07/15/11 12:25 AM

I just love how so many losers say, "If we get rid of the guns we can get rid of the crime."

Well, look at what gun control like that has done for England and other countries who adopted it. Crime on a startling increase especially against Sr. Citizens! Oh but I could post statistics that bear that out and no one will believe them.

Well, if we get rid of Cars and Alcohol we can get rid of drunk driving.

If we do away with ALL knives no one will get stabbed. Oh but we have to do away with other tools as well because I can club someone to death with a pipe wrench.

Some of you Quazi Liberals are such conceded idiots! Here is a little challenge, hike the Alaskan wilderness during the summer without the benefit of a gun. And when I say gun the smallest thing I would carry is a 12 gauge shotgun loading sabot slugs. Smallest hand gun I would carry, .44 magnum with the hottest loads I can get for it! I would NEVER trek Alaska unarmed at all! Bears could care less about your rights. They think we are dinner! And that isn't the only place in the world I would not go out into unarmed.

Try arguing your right to live with a bear. I bet some of you would be stupid enough to think you could mace them and run away! Mace only serves to piss a bear off most of the time! And they do have Adrenalin Rushes too! And a stun gun? Yeah, tell me you are willing to let a 1200 pound Kodiak get that close to you.

Now Mountain Lions are only about 150 lbs for a big one but some of them do hit 200 lbs. Want to argue with them? They have been known to tackle people. And wild dogs? Go ahead and underestimate a dog pack without protection. Be my guest.

And this gets good, how about a pissed off Moose? Think they won't stomp your azz into a bloody mud hole? And that is just in the real wild lands. Hell, wild pigs will even try to make a kill now and then and they are just as happy eating human flesh as anything else. Christ, they even eat BONES!

Now out in the wilderness the one animal I fear the most are the two legged coyotes! But you can find them in the cities too!

I swear the logic people go by sometimes baffles me. This is a case of truly ignorant people trying to make big decisions they are not really qualified to make!

So if you want to live gunless be my guest. If you are foolish enough to go into the wrong wild lands unarmed that means after you are dead and eaten I will have two points of joy to my life, less competition for the women for one, and you will be a pile is crap in two days thanks to that predator you ran afoul of! The again Deer have been known to attack people too and those antlers can really fuque a person up. I know way too many hunters who lost dogs to deer mauling them and I know of hunters who got caught by surprise by a defensive buck. Yep, we don't need guns. And we don't need working brains either, do we?


Amen brother! Look at the two Youtube videos I posted and tell me what you think.

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/15/11 12:37 AM
if we get rid of guns , crimes with guns will go away

not crime

if we get rid of 'religion' , harm done in the name of religion will go away

but not harm to each other

,,,boy this theme is sounding awfully familiar,


apparently its easier to understand when we start discussing taking away peoples right to have their personal machines of destruction,,,, I mean, their guns,,,,

d24's photo
Fri 07/15/11 01:19 AM
Edited by d24 on Fri 07/15/11 01:23 AM

if we get rid of guns , crimes with guns will go away

not crime

if we get rid of 'religion' , harm done in the name of religion will go away

but not harm to each other

,,,boy this theme is sounding awfully familiar,


apparently its easier to understand when we start discussing taking away peoples right to have their personal machines of destruction,,,, I mean, their guns,,,,


LOL!!! Such Clever Left Winger word scramble! What If Guns Is ones "Religion" Oh and BTW People have been harming each other since THE DAWN OF TIME. It Is Human Nature! Even If It Is Right or wrong.

jrbogie's photo
Fri 07/15/11 03:06 AM

I just love how so many losers say, "If we get rid of the guns we can get rid of the crime."


i don't see anybody suggesting that 'we get rid of guns.' mh's comment was rhetorical, i think, as she compared it to getting rid of religion. we can have our guns and use them for whatever lawful purpose we choose and there's absolutely no reason not to strictly regulate who owns them and how they will be used just as we strictly regulate automobiles, airplanes, alcohol, drugs or anything else with destructive potential.

jrbogie's photo
Fri 07/15/11 03:10 AM

It is not fair to punish everyone for the sins of a few. People should be held responsible for themselves, and themselves only. They mess up, it's on THEM, and no one else.


well, i happen to be the best driver on the planet. it's not fair that i should be punnished with a speed limit just because a few people rolled their bronco II taking a corner at 80 mph, huh? it ain't fair. it just ain't fair.