quite simple really. just as the highway patrolman is authorized to speed to chase you down for exceding the speed limit. and here's the real kicker. you pay a fine for going real fast and he's paid a salary for going even faster.

indeed you do have a right to proctect yourself. and none of your rights are violated with strict firearms restrictions. so say the courts that deal in such things as rights violations.

nothing makes anybody special in america. i've never said 'give them more power.' i've said all along that 'we the people' gave them the power to pass laws more than two hundred years ago. where is this 'abuse of power' even 'half the damn time' as regards firearms laws that you speak of? where in the constituion, where 'we the people' give government it's power, does it say that government does not have the power to enact gun control laws???

well, i've neither the time or inclination to read several pages of posts on a topic. when i click on the 'quote' feature it allowed me to respond only to this post of yours:

Self Defense, especially when a lot of Criminal's have military grade weapons and explosives(most commonly Gang Members) and even outgun Law Enforcement. They also use military style assaults when executing Armored Car Heists, just look at what Bob Matthwes and his White Power gang did on their robberies."

but i'll certainly concede that banning automatic weapons from law enforcement or the other groups such as bail bondsmen, armord car guards and perhaps many other PROFESSIONALS who are up against the situations in your examples on a regular basis would be a mistake. i've never said that automatic weapons should necessarily be banned from anyone. i simply think that they, and all guns should be strictly regulated and part of that regulating should be and is 'who can possess them and who cannot.'

because you see apathy in an issue doesn't mean we all see apathy in that issue. i'd see apathy if there were no gun laws or restrictions.

No one should point a loaded weapon at another person unless it is for defending yourself.

What this woman did was very dangerous and she should be charged accordingly..

The gun grabbers don't a platform like this to stand up and start wailing.

That is a steaming load my friend! You place horrendous restrictions on law abiding citizens while depending on laws to prevent criminals who ignore laws and arm up anyways?? I have seen this retarded brand of stupidity for far too long and it makes no sense. What we need is training. Ground level education in High School. We need to embrace the gun as a tool and not revile it as the evil men do. I could own a machine gun and be responsible to not show off or just shoot it in the air like a drunk Hillbilly. The people I go shooting with have a rule that while we are shooting NO ALCOHOL AT ALL! I have never pointed a gun, even a disarmed one where parts were removed to prevent it from shooting at anyone. The one time I shot at someone they already fired at me with a high powered hunting rifle aiming into moving bushes hoping to hit a deer. I was taught to know what I AM SHOOTING AT AND WHAT IS BEHIND WHAT I AM SHOOTING AT SO I DON'T HURT AN INNOCENT PERSON OR KILL A SECOND ANIMAL I HAD NO INTENTION OF SHOOTING IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IS CALLED HUNTER SAFETY! So suddenly another government official gets Blond with a gun and now you want us all to be sanctioned with more laws and restrictions?

Functional Retardation! This loaded logic is part of what is messing this nation up! Armed citizens make criminals think twice about victimizing people and best of all our armed citizens prevent us from being invaded. Why do you think Japan never really invaded America Proper when they could after Pearl Harbor? Or do these facts seem to elude you?

Punish the just and not the deserving...

Damn the logic of some people!

Actually the fact that laws prohibit what she did makes her and outlaw IMHO.
Being law abiding starts with abiding by the laws, which requires knowing what they are.
In my state this is felony menacing with a firearm. That would make her an outlaw, this was a criminal issue, she should be treated like one.
It is a fact that she does not represent me, or any of my pro gun rights group.
You really cannot regulate safety, laws that try are really just there to make the weak feel better. All you can do is punish the negligent and wicked after the fact. It is the nanny state mentality that makes us think we can.

Could say the same to you, whether you realize it or not, there is a TON of apathy in this country when it comes to laws. Be it on guns or anything else.

Statistics be dammed. The probability can be 0, until it happens to you, then it is 100%.

How many people on these forums have had someone close to them murdered?

I have, I carry a gun everywhere I am legally allowed to, it chaps me that the government has spoken on the issue of law enforcements obligation, basically the supreme court has stated the police have no obligation to protect you, that means I am the only person responsible for my protection, or the protection of my loved ones.

That means that every law that restricts my ability to protect myself makes me vulnerable to crime. That should make any legislature pause, but it does not.

I am a aw abiding citizen, and I follow the law, that does not make it right. I should never be disarmed, EVER. I have lived with/around firewarms all my life and no one I know has ever had an accident discharge . . why? Because we have been trained to be safe.

The reality is that life is dangerous, people die in car accidents, we have to learn to be responsible behind the wheel, people die crossing the street, we have to learn to be responsible walking across streets, people die in sports, we have to learn how to tackle safely, how to be considerate of the other players, we have to engage with danger in a responsible way, and laws cannot do that, only people can do that.

I love training dogs, many owners ask me how I have trained my dog so well. He will follow by my side off leash, yesterday a fox ran by and he stared but did not chase it, and my neighbor freaked out, he said, "I would never be able to train my dog to not chase . . ." The missing ingredient is not what to say, or any other technique that people use to train dogs, I have seen him with his dog, and he does a good job. The difference: trust. To get to the next level of training with an animal you have to trust them, you cannot train them to not chase if you have never trusted them to not chase.

My point the entire concept of the nanny state is just like the concept of my neighbor, if you never trust your citizens to have dangerous things, or participate in dangerous activities, you can never get them to the next level of responsibility. There will always be accidents, laws cant change that, there will always be neglect, laws cant change that. What we can do is work with what we have, and get to a level of trust. Only once you reach that level can you every experience the amazing life experiences of mastering the danger you fear.

I REALLY hope you mean apathy towards enforcement of the laws we have now!

gun safety is holding it w/two hands and hitting what you point at

and dont point it if you do not intend on pulling the trigger

to point a weapon loaded or not should constitute irresponsible mental behavior and if the gov says mental incompatence is a reason not to own a weapon let alone carry it then she should lose her carrying right.

but hey what do i know


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""""""Statistics be dammed. The probability can be 0, until it happens to you, then it is 100%."""""""""

that is for sure

and who knows the way the gov is using private commercial security services it may even be a force under orders from the govt

yes the constitution says no fed troops in our borders thus enter the private sector security forces

but again what do i know

you see the gun laws as 'horrendous restrictions'. i don't.

of course you could. we simply see things differently.

I know someone who was injured in the course of his friend being assassinated by a Mexican Drive by and his friend and he took bullets from a fully auto AK-47. I watched on TV as the Hollywood Police were getting their AZZES HANDED TOP THEM by three drugged out East European criminals wearing body armor and carrying fully automatics. the police were lucky a local gun store owner was handing them every high powered rifle HE had in his store already loaded to deal with these men who took a substantial amount of effort to take down. Had I of been there I would have been shooting back at those azzholes myself with a 12 gauge loading slugs and buckshot alternating and firing for their heads from behind and running like hell if I missed my shot and they noticed me! A deer slug in the head is not pretty. The police needed help desperately.

I am so sick and tired of all these people who want more and more laws on top of other laws! Who is to say if the police are pinned down and need help they are going to say dick if they see me shoot a man or men dead they could not kill themselves in the course of those men harming and killing everyone around them? What DA in his right mind would want to face that media circus? Condemn a hero?

NOW as far as Mrs. Republican Irresponsible Gun Owner... She deserves to face criminal charges and loose her seat as a representative. If she would have presented, disarmed (unloaded it by removing the magazine and confirming it was empty or removing the cylinder in the case of a revolver and many do have a removable magazine) and shown the gun off we would not be having this conversation. She pointed a loaded weapon at someone. That is super stupid and not called for. Why is it so hard for these anti gun (adjective) not see that?

I don't carry a gun around. I cannot see a reason at the moment. If it was the LA riots all over again I would be walking down the street armed to the teeth. Its what you wouldn't see me carrying that you had better be more concerned with. And when the LA riots were happening. I was carrying. There was no way I was counting on the police to do SHITTE! They were not around in my area until two days after the fact. they did not like seeing a street full of armed people either! That is why the businesses in my neighborhood didn't have anything happen to them. There was one Korean owned jewelry store in downtown that looters tried to get to but the owners were packing fully autos and shot into the crowds from their roof of their store. this brought other armed store owners to arrive and they suppressed the looters. There was film footage of the Koreans firing warning shots at the reporters and what they didn't show was several store owners driving the crowd back under a hail of gunfire and the reporters being held at gunpoint for a while. They were mistaken for looters and lucky to have not been shot. The looters burned fire trucks, attacked firemen, it was insane!

And to think the crap that kicked this all off was the televising of Reginald Denny getting his azz handed to him. I so wanted to go to that intersection to save him but at the time I had no car and my friends were a bunch of PU$$IES! Some of these stupid liberals think they are so smart when in fact they are nothing but a bunch of cowards hoping to hide behind someone else to fight their battles for them. I hope some of you anti gun advocates get this through your thick skulls,

THE POLICE ARE MINUETS AWAY WHEN SECONDS COUNT!

I hope this is not above your comprehension. This is not about heroics, this is about being willing to fight to help keep the order in MY HOME! This is the United States of America. Not some CRAP HOLE like what Mexico has become! We do not have Western Style gunfights and most of that was MYTH ANYWAYS! Historically there was only one real lawless town in America in the late 1800s about the transition to the 1900s and the state Marshal and a substantial posse went in and killed all the bandits and arrested the survivors. I think that town was in New Mexico. Most of the time you had to check your firearms in with the sheriff's office when you were traveling and you were staying in town. People did not walk around town carrying a six gun unless they were locals shopping in town, or you were leaving.

Still the fact is that it was the American people who maintain law and order and we should not become complacent or dependent on the Police to do everything because they can't no matter what they say or how hard they try. There is a big difference in self defense and taking the law and justice into your own hands.

Bunch of thugs kick in my door and I kill them all, that is self defense. If they surrender and do as told and wait for detainment by the police like good little pieces of human shitte, but then I change my mind and shoot them in the back while they are lying on the floor, that is murder. In all honesty I would rather them make their peace with god before I send them on their way but killing a surrendered foe is uncivilized and beneath any real warrior. Now there is one exception and I would hate to be put in this position, one or all of them keep saying they will be back. I think I would risk facing the jury on that one! At least on the inside I would have creds for killing someone who threatened to kill me. That is something most thugs can respect.

And to think we need our hands tied behind our back harder when it comes to self defense! What is the sense of so may laws we don't use and then make more on top of what we already got???

Bushidobillyclub, I think you are a man I could depend on if things got bad!

Mad respect!

More than most of the EDUCATED among us!

hell, dubya was well educated. barrak is was a college educator.

Not saying you particularly but self proclaimed "experts" and self proclaimed responsible gun users may be why we have so many gun fatalities that are not necessary every year.

I really like how some say "make the bad ones responsible and leave all us self proclaimed "good" guys alone except we are not talking about a jay walking incident here, LIVES ARE LOST AT THE HANDS OF LEGAL GUN USERS THAT ARE NOT SELF DEFENSE which barely seems to ever happen anyway......

It is a serious problem when legal gun users guns are killing innocent folks.

There needs to be more restrictions on who can have guns. Too many men shoot their wives when they get mad, too many kids shoot someone when messin with daddies gun, too many go postal on the job, too many brandish weapons in threatening ways to intimidate, etc...

TOO FEW EVER PROTECT INNOCENTS BEING SHOT AT PUBLIC PLACES, SINCE IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED YET.

So something needs to be done.

why worry about it... no one lives forever...

Crimes with guns wont go away!