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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Matthew 18:20 |
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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Mon 08/08/11 08:58 PM
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In the U.S.A. there are well over 1100 Federal laws in which marriage is taken into consideration. These laws help to determine eligibility for many kinds of entitlements and very often these laws are the safety net for individuals, offering general legal direction when those individuals cannot afford to hire legal representation.
Same-sex couples can tell you that the cost to have all the necessary legal paperwork for the most fundamental of these protections is generally prohibitive. This means that many in the middle class and all of the poor could not afford to protect themselves or their families in the same way that heterosexuals are protected by way of civil marriage. It may seem simple enough to say: ‘The government’ has no business involved in marriage at all.” But marriage is often a consideration that MUST be dealt with when these situations come up and that is the purpose for these laws. Most individuals could only describe a handful of the laws that might affect them, as they take the rest for granted because the protection goes hand-in-hand with marriage and individual no longer thinks about these things. Gays and lesbians do think about these things because they are adversely affected by them everyday. To give readers a sense of the kinds of federal laws in which marital status is a factor, we classified the laws on the list into the following 13 categories4: Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps Veterans' Benefits Taxation Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits Employment Benefits and Related Laws Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens Indians Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest Crimes and Family Violence Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws Miscellaneous Laws Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf SO in answer to the OP: There are two types of marriage, One involves religious traditions and the other involves civil law. Heterosexuals who are married through a recognized religious tradition currently have the right to opt out of the civil law marriage, thought I've never heard of anyone doing so. The reason is that the law offers such great protections that it would be foolish not to submit this dual commitment to the state registry, thus accepting the rights to this legal coverage. It might be useful to keep this information at hand as those who have a distain for sharing legal protections can opt out of receiveing them simply by telling your religious sponsor (priest, pastor, whomever) that you are not intrested in civil marriage rather, your intrest lies completely in the religious ties to marriage. 
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man for those who arent interested in including 'God', it seems like a viable option to those who do wish to include 'God', that relationship is developed in the heart and not by an outside person (priest or otherwise), so as long as the words are said in ernest, asking God to bless the union, I dont see the problem with it,, morally speaking I still prefer a priest, but its not because I think it would be sinful otherwise but because I am traditional and would want the service which included both our families (not something that usually happens in a courthouse) |
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In the U.S.A. there are well over 1100 Federal laws in which marriage is taken into consideration. These laws help to determine eligibility for many kinds of entitlements and very often these laws are the safety net for individuals, offering general legal direction when those individuals cannot afford to hire legal representation. Same-sex couples can tell you that the cost to have all the necessary legal paperwork for the most fundamental of these protections is generally prohibitive. This means that many in the middle class and all of the poor could not afford to protect themselves or their families in the same way that heterosexuals are protected by way of civil marriage. It may seem simple enough to say: ‘The government’ has no business involved in marriage at all.” But marriage is often a consideration that MUST be dealt with when these situations come up and that is the purpose for these laws. Most individuals could only describe a handful of the laws that might affect them, as they take the rest for granted because the protection goes hand-in-hand with marriage and individual no longer thinks about these things. Gays and lesbians do think about these things because they are adversely affected by them everyday. To give readers a sense of the kinds of federal laws in which marital status is a factor, we classified the laws on the list into the following 13 categories4: Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps Veterans' Benefits Taxation Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits Employment Benefits and Related Laws Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens Indians Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest Crimes and Family Violence Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws Miscellaneous Laws Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf SO in answer to the OP: There are two types of marriage, One involves religious traditions and the other involves civil law. Heterosexuals who are married through a recognized religious tradition currently have the right to opt out of the civil law marriage, thought I've never heard of anyone doing so. The reason is that the law offers such great protections that it would be foolish not to submit this dual commitment to the state registry, thus accepting the rights to this legal coverage. It might be useful to keep this information at hand as those who have a distain for sharing legal protections can opt out of receiveing them simply by telling your religious sponsor (priest, pastor, whomever) that you are not intrested in civil marriage rather, your intrest lies completely in the religious ties to marriage. Im not sure of the accuracy of the list.... miscellaneous is literally a very vague 'category' thats hard to back up Food stamps and housing are income based, not marital status based(in fact its illegal to deny people based upon marital status,, at least here in nevada) Immigration is sponsor based, so whether the sponsor is a spouse, an employer, or some other acquaintance that can be shown to have the means to support you is not really significant... I dont even know what an 'Indians' law is,,,, etc,,,,, |
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Well said. In here lies the answer to all the problems with gay marriage The government should not have anything to do with marriage at all. Not one bit. They should not have legal ceremonies nor should ones marital status have an concern over taxes or tax rates Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be seperated from our government totally. If your church wants to marry a man and woman or two men or a cat and a dog that should be your right to have faith however you want it but the government should have no say in the matter at all No gay marriage, no straight marriage... no civil unions or anything else. Just cut it totally out of the governments control then all the religious fanatics can go back to calling each other false or backwards and claiming to know the one true way while the government governs without favoring any one of them |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 08/09/11 06:55 AM
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I think the government has always ENCOURAGED certain choices and I dont think it is a bad thing
in the private sector, certain choices are 'favored' (those who make them tend to have a bit easier time in life,,,) for instance, those with DEGREES tend to find employment and careers easier than those without (This enoourages/favors people who choose to get a college degree) those with good credit, tend to find lenders and better deals on any number of things (this encourages/favors people who choose to budget money wisely) I see a similar significance when our culture/government encourages/favors the choice some people make to actually COMMIT to each other in those unions that have the potential to create and bring more LIVES, and more PEOPLE into the community/culture I just think its sad that such encouragement has been turned into some type of negative/bigoted issue after two hundred years(just speaking of america)..... |
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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Wed 08/10/11 08:57 AM
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In the U.S.A. there are well over 1100 Federal laws in which marriage is taken into consideration. These laws help to determine eligibility for many kinds of entitlements and very often these laws are the safety net for individuals, offering general legal direction when those individuals cannot afford to hire legal representation. Same-sex couples can tell you that the cost to have all the necessary legal paperwork for the most fundamental of these protections is generally prohibitive. This means that many in the middle class and all of the poor could not afford to protect themselves or their families in the same way that heterosexuals are protected by way of civil marriage. It may seem simple enough to say: ‘The government’ has no business involved in marriage at all.” But marriage is often a consideration that MUST be dealt with when these situations come up and that is the purpose for these laws. Most individuals could only describe a handful of the laws that might affect them, as they take the rest for granted because the protection goes hand-in-hand with marriage and individual no longer thinks about these things. Gays and lesbians do think about these things because they are adversely affected by them everyday. To give readers a sense of the kinds of federal laws in which marital status is a factor, we classified the laws on the list into the following 13 categories4: Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps Veterans' Benefits Taxation Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits Employment Benefits and Related Laws Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens Indians Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest Crimes and Family Violence Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws Miscellaneous Laws Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf SO in answer to the OP: There are two types of marriage, One involves religious traditions and the other involves civil law. Heterosexuals who are married through a recognized religious tradition currently have the right to opt out of the civil law marriage, thought I've never heard of anyone doing so. The reason is that the law offers such great protections that it would be foolish not to submit this dual commitment to the state registry, thus accepting the rights to this legal coverage. It might be useful to keep this information at hand as those who have a distain for sharing legal protections can opt out of receiveing them simply by telling your religious sponsor (priest, pastor, whomever) that you are not intrested in civil marriage rather, your intrest lies completely in the religious ties to marriage. Im not sure of the accuracy of the list.... miscellaneous is literally a very vague 'category' thats hard to back up Food stamps and housing are income based, not marital status based(in fact its illegal to deny people based upon marital status,, at least here in nevada) Immigration is sponsor based, so whether the sponsor is a spouse, an employer, or some other acquaintance that can be shown to have the means to support you is not really significant... I dont even know what an 'Indians' law is,,,, etc,,,,, The reference provided in my last post included a more thorough review of the laws: Your lack of knowledge of these laws or how they work does not mean that the United State General Accounting Office is confused about those issues. Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf On January 31,1997 the United State General Accounting Office fulfilled a request by the Honorable Henry J. Hyde Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary House of Representatives. Here is an excerpt of the 58 page document that was supplied. To find laws that meet these criteria, we conducted searches for various words or Word stems ("marr," "spouse," "widow," etc.), chosen to elicit marital status, in several electronic databases that contain the text of federal laws. From the collection of laws in the United States Code that we found through those searches, we eliminated (1) laws that included one or more of our search terms but that were not relevant to your request2 and (2) as agreed with your staff, any laws enacted after the Defense of Marriage Act. The result is a 1Public Law 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. 2For example, our search for the word stem "marr," designed to capture words such as "marriage" and "marry," also produced references to laws mentioning bone marrow transplants, the city of Marrakesh, and proper names containing the letters "marr." GAO/OGC-97-16 Defense of Marriage Act collection of 1049 federal laws classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor. This collection of laws is as complete and representative as can be produced by a global electronic search of the kind we conducted, but such a search has several limitations. Most significantly, it cannot capture every individual law in the United States Code in which marital status figures. However, we believe that the probability is high that it has identified those programs in the Code in which marital status is a factor. The letter provides an accounting for these laws that discriminate against the GLBT community. Keep in mind that the list is 'topical', there are many relevant laws that link directly to these topics. Remember, also, these are laws whose benefit is determined through marital status. Marriage union contracts that GLBT are excluded from. |
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Well said. In here lies the answer to all the problems with gay marriage The government should not have anything to do with marriage at all. Not one bit. They should not have legal ceremonies nor should ones marital status have an concern over taxes or tax rates Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be seperated from our government totally. If your church wants to marry a man and woman or two men or a cat and a dog that should be your right to have faith however you want it but the government should have no say in the matter at all No gay marriage, no straight marriage... no civil unions or anything else. Just cut it totally out of the governments control then all the religious fanatics can go back to calling each other false or backwards and claiming to know the one true way while the government governs without favoring any one of them Can you list the legal benefits of civil marriage and explain why you thing the government should have NO intrest in providing such benefits? |
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Well said. In here lies the answer to all the problems with gay marriage The government should not have anything to do with marriage at all. Not one bit. They should not have legal ceremonies nor should ones marital status have an concern over taxes or tax rates Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be seperated from our government totally. If your church wants to marry a man and woman or two men or a cat and a dog that should be your right to have faith however you want it but the government should have no say in the matter at all No gay marriage, no straight marriage... no civil unions or anything else. Just cut it totally out of the governments control then all the religious fanatics can go back to calling each other false or backwards and claiming to know the one true way while the government governs without favoring any one of them Right.  Get the government out of the bedroom. Marriage today is basically a contract with THE STATE. |
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actually marriage is a contract between two people that the state requires to be in effect.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 08/10/11 03:21 PM
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In the U.S.A. there are well over 1100 Federal laws in which marriage is taken into consideration. These laws help to determine eligibility for many kinds of entitlements and very often these laws are the safety net for individuals, offering general legal direction when those individuals cannot afford to hire legal representation. Same-sex couples can tell you that the cost to have all the necessary legal paperwork for the most fundamental of these protections is generally prohibitive. This means that many in the middle class and all of the poor could not afford to protect themselves or their families in the same way that heterosexuals are protected by way of civil marriage. It may seem simple enough to say: ‘The government’ has no business involved in marriage at all.” But marriage is often a consideration that MUST be dealt with when these situations come up and that is the purpose for these laws. Most individuals could only describe a handful of the laws that might affect them, as they take the rest for granted because the protection goes hand-in-hand with marriage and individual no longer thinks about these things. Gays and lesbians do think about these things because they are adversely affected by them everyday. To give readers a sense of the kinds of federal laws in which marital status is a factor, we classified the laws on the list into the following 13 categories4: Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps Veterans' Benefits Taxation Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits Employment Benefits and Related Laws Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens Indians Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest Crimes and Family Violence Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws Miscellaneous Laws Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf SO in answer to the OP: There are two types of marriage, One involves religious traditions and the other involves civil law. Heterosexuals who are married through a recognized religious tradition currently have the right to opt out of the civil law marriage, thought I've never heard of anyone doing so. The reason is that the law offers such great protections that it would be foolish not to submit this dual commitment to the state registry, thus accepting the rights to this legal coverage. It might be useful to keep this information at hand as those who have a distain for sharing legal protections can opt out of receiveing them simply by telling your religious sponsor (priest, pastor, whomever) that you are not intrested in civil marriage rather, your intrest lies completely in the religious ties to marriage. Im not sure of the accuracy of the list.... miscellaneous is literally a very vague 'category' thats hard to back up Food stamps and housing are income based, not marital status based(in fact its illegal to deny people based upon marital status,, at least here in nevada) Immigration is sponsor based, so whether the sponsor is a spouse, an employer, or some other acquaintance that can be shown to have the means to support you is not really significant... I dont even know what an 'Indians' law is,,,, etc,,,,, The reference provided in my last post included a more thorough review of the laws: Your lack of knowledge of these laws or how they work does not mean that the United State General Accounting Office is confused about those issues. Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf On January 31,1997 the United State General Accounting Office fulfilled a request by the Honorable Henry J. Hyde Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary House of Representatives. Here is an excerpt of the 58 page document that was supplied. To find laws that meet these criteria, we conducted searches for various words or Word stems ("marr," "spouse," "widow," etc.), chosen to elicit marital status, in several electronic databases that contain the text of federal laws. From the collection of laws in the United States Code that we found through those searches, we eliminated (1) laws that included one or more of our search terms but that were not relevant to your request2 and (2) as agreed with your staff, any laws enacted after the Defense of Marriage Act. The result is a 1Public Law 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. 2For example, our search for the word stem "marr," designed to capture words such as "marriage" and "marry," also produced references to laws mentioning bone marrow transplants, the city of Marrakesh, and proper names containing the letters "marr." GAO/OGC-97-16 Defense of Marriage Act collection of 1049 federal laws classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor. This collection of laws is as complete and representative as can be produced by a global electronic search of the kind we conducted, but such a search has several limitations. Most significantly, it cannot capture every individual law in the United States Code in which marital status figures. However, we believe that the probability is high that it has identified those programs in the Code in which marital status is a factor. The letter provides an accounting for these laws that discriminate against the GLBT community. Keep in mind that the list is 'topical', there are many relevant laws that link directly to these topics. Remember, also, these are laws whose benefit is determined through marital status. Marriage union contracts that GLBT are excluded from. still not clear I didnt suggest anyone else was confused about anything I only stated that the implication that the laws provide some type of protection that goes 'hand in hand' with being married is not very evident in several of those items included in the list because marital status is considered does not mean that the 'protection' is exclusively preferencial towards the married and I still dont know what 'indians' laws are,,,, |
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I only stated that the implication that the laws provide some type of protection that goes 'hand in hand' with being married is not very evident in several of those items included in the list because marital status is considered does not mean that the 'protection' is exclusively preferencial towards the married marriage laws do provide protection exclusively to married folks. community property, tax status, spousal support, etc. |
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In the U.S.A. there are well over 1100 Federal laws in which marriage is taken into consideration. These laws help to determine eligibility for many kinds of entitlements and very often these laws are the safety net for individuals, offering general legal direction when those individuals cannot afford to hire legal representation. Same-sex couples can tell you that the cost to have all the necessary legal paperwork for the most fundamental of these protections is generally prohibitive. This means that many in the middle class and all of the poor could not afford to protect themselves or their families in the same way that heterosexuals are protected by way of civil marriage. It may seem simple enough to say: ‘The government’ has no business involved in marriage at all.” But marriage is often a consideration that MUST be dealt with when these situations come up and that is the purpose for these laws. Most individuals could only describe a handful of the laws that might affect them, as they take the rest for granted because the protection goes hand-in-hand with marriage and individual no longer thinks about these things. Gays and lesbians do think about these things because they are adversely affected by them everyday. To give readers a sense of the kinds of federal laws in which marital status is a factor, we classified the laws on the list into the following 13 categories4: Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps Veterans' Benefits Taxation Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits Employment Benefits and Related Laws Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens Indians Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest Crimes and Family Violence Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws Miscellaneous Laws Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf SO in answer to the OP: There are two types of marriage, One involves religious traditions and the other involves civil law. Heterosexuals who are married through a recognized religious tradition currently have the right to opt out of the civil law marriage, thought I've never heard of anyone doing so. The reason is that the law offers such great protections that it would be foolish not to submit this dual commitment to the state registry, thus accepting the rights to this legal coverage. It might be useful to keep this information at hand as those who have a distain for sharing legal protections can opt out of receiveing them simply by telling your religious sponsor (priest, pastor, whomever) that you are not intrested in civil marriage rather, your intrest lies completely in the religious ties to marriage. Im not sure of the accuracy of the list.... miscellaneous is literally a very vague 'category' thats hard to back up Food stamps and housing are income based, not marital status based(in fact its illegal to deny people based upon marital status,, at least here in nevada) Immigration is sponsor based, so whether the sponsor is a spouse, an employer, or some other acquaintance that can be shown to have the means to support you is not really significant... I dont even know what an 'Indians' law is,,,, etc,,,,, The reference provided in my last post included a more thorough review of the laws: Your lack of knowledge of these laws or how they work does not mean that the United State General Accounting Office is confused about those issues. Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf On January 31,1997 the United State General Accounting Office fulfilled a request by the Honorable Henry J. Hyde Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary House of Representatives. Here is an excerpt of the 58 page document that was supplied. To find laws that meet these criteria, we conducted searches for various words or Word stems ("marr," "spouse," "widow," etc.), chosen to elicit marital status, in several electronic databases that contain the text of federal laws. From the collection of laws in the United States Code that we found through those searches, we eliminated (1) laws that included one or more of our search terms but that were not relevant to your request2 and (2) as agreed with your staff, any laws enacted after the Defense of Marriage Act. The result is a 1Public Law 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. 2For example, our search for the word stem "marr," designed to capture words such as "marriage" and "marry," also produced references to laws mentioning bone marrow transplants, the city of Marrakesh, and proper names containing the letters "marr." GAO/OGC-97-16 Defense of Marriage Act collection of 1049 federal laws classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor. This collection of laws is as complete and representative as can be produced by a global electronic search of the kind we conducted, but such a search has several limitations. Most significantly, it cannot capture every individual law in the United States Code in which marital status figures. However, we believe that the probability is high that it has identified those programs in the Code in which marital status is a factor. The letter provides an accounting for these laws that discriminate against the GLBT community. Keep in mind that the list is 'topical', there are many relevant laws that link directly to these topics. Remember, also, these are laws whose benefit is determined through marital status. Marriage union contracts that GLBT are excluded from. still not clear I didnt suggest anyone else was confused about anything I only stated that the implication that the laws provide some type of protection that goes 'hand in hand' with being married is not very evident in several of those items included in the list because marital status is considered does not mean that the 'protection' is exclusively preferencial towards the married and I still dont know what 'indians' laws are,,,, |
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In the U.S.A. there are well over 1100 Federal laws in which marriage is taken into consideration. These laws help to determine eligibility for many kinds of entitlements and very often these laws are the safety net for individuals, offering general legal direction when those individuals cannot afford to hire legal representation. Same-sex couples can tell you that the cost to have all the necessary legal paperwork for the most fundamental of these protections is generally prohibitive. This means that many in the middle class and all of the poor could not afford to protect themselves or their families in the same way that heterosexuals are protected by way of civil marriage. It may seem simple enough to say: ‘The government’ has no business involved in marriage at all.” But marriage is often a consideration that MUST be dealt with when these situations come up and that is the purpose for these laws. Most individuals could only describe a handful of the laws that might affect them, as they take the rest for granted because the protection goes hand-in-hand with marriage and individual no longer thinks about these things. Gays and lesbians do think about these things because they are adversely affected by them everyday. To give readers a sense of the kinds of federal laws in which marital status is a factor, we classified the laws on the list into the following 13 categories4: Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps Veterans' Benefits Taxation Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits Employment Benefits and Related Laws Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens Indians Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest Crimes and Family Violence Loans, Guarantees, and Payments in Agriculture Federal Natural Resources and Related Laws Miscellaneous Laws Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf SO in answer to the OP: There are two types of marriage, One involves religious traditions and the other involves civil law. Heterosexuals who are married through a recognized religious tradition currently have the right to opt out of the civil law marriage, thought I've never heard of anyone doing so. The reason is that the law offers such great protections that it would be foolish not to submit this dual commitment to the state registry, thus accepting the rights to this legal coverage. It might be useful to keep this information at hand as those who have a distain for sharing legal protections can opt out of receiveing them simply by telling your religious sponsor (priest, pastor, whomever) that you are not intrested in civil marriage rather, your intrest lies completely in the religious ties to marriage. Im not sure of the accuracy of the list.... miscellaneous is literally a very vague 'category' thats hard to back up Food stamps and housing are income based, not marital status based(in fact its illegal to deny people based upon marital status,, at least here in nevada) Immigration is sponsor based, so whether the sponsor is a spouse, an employer, or some other acquaintance that can be shown to have the means to support you is not really significant... I dont even know what an 'Indians' law is,,,, etc,,,,, The reference provided in my last post included a more thorough review of the laws: Your lack of knowledge of these laws or how they work does not mean that the United State General Accounting Office is confused about those issues. Reference: Office, U. S. (1997, January 31). archive. Retrieved 10 6, 2007, from www.gao.gov: http://www.gao.gov/archive/1997/og97016.pdf On January 31,1997 the United State General Accounting Office fulfilled a request by the Honorable Henry J. Hyde Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary House of Representatives. Here is an excerpt of the 58 page document that was supplied. To find laws that meet these criteria, we conducted searches for various words or Word stems ("marr," "spouse," "widow," etc.), chosen to elicit marital status, in several electronic databases that contain the text of federal laws. From the collection of laws in the United States Code that we found through those searches, we eliminated (1) laws that included one or more of our search terms but that were not relevant to your request2 and (2) as agreed with your staff, any laws enacted after the Defense of Marriage Act. The result is a 1Public Law 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. 2For example, our search for the word stem "marr," designed to capture words such as "marriage" and "marry," also produced references to laws mentioning bone marrow transplants, the city of Marrakesh, and proper names containing the letters "marr." GAO/OGC-97-16 Defense of Marriage Act collection of 1049 federal laws classified to the United States Code in which marital status is a factor. This collection of laws is as complete and representative as can be produced by a global electronic search of the kind we conducted, but such a search has several limitations. Most significantly, it cannot capture every individual law in the United States Code in which marital status figures. However, we believe that the probability is high that it has identified those programs in the Code in which marital status is a factor. The letter provides an accounting for these laws that discriminate against the GLBT community. Keep in mind that the list is 'topical', there are many relevant laws that link directly to these topics. Remember, also, these are laws whose benefit is determined through marital status. Marriage union contracts that GLBT are excluded from. still not clear I didnt suggest anyone else was confused about anything I only stated that the implication that the laws provide some type of protection that goes 'hand in hand' with being married is not very evident in several of those items included in the list because marital status is considered does not mean that the 'protection' is exclusively preferencial towards the married and I still dont know what 'indians' laws are,,,, The most effective solution when questions persist, is to look it up. I have provided the first reference source, the rest may be time consuming but most things worth learning take effort and involve time. |
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No problem. The reference provided did not seem to give any clear answer to my question though.
I can look online but Im sure I will find an abundance of information that both supports and opposes the position posted here. |
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Well said. In here lies the answer to all the problems with gay marriage The government should not have anything to do with marriage at all. Not one bit. They should not have legal ceremonies nor should ones marital status have an concern over taxes or tax rates Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be seperated from our government totally. If your church wants to marry a man and woman or two men or a cat and a dog that should be your right to have faith however you want it but the government should have no say in the matter at all No gay marriage, no straight marriage... no civil unions or anything else. Just cut it totally out of the governments control then all the religious fanatics can go back to calling each other false or backwards and claiming to know the one true way while the government governs without favoring any one of them Can you list the legal benefits of civil marriage and explain why you thing the government should have NO intrest in providing such benefits? One MAJOR issue I have with the whole thing, is the state gets say and license over any kids if they become involved in the marriage through this contract. That's one thing I really do not want, cause they have no business dictating ANYTHING to a child of mine. |
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I only stated that the implication that the laws provide some type of protection that goes 'hand in hand' with being married is not very evident in several of those items included in the list because marital status is considered does not mean that the 'protection' is exclusively preferencial towards the married marriage laws do provide protection exclusively to married folks. community property, tax status, spousal support, etc. yes, community property and spousal support are good examples tax breaks are not exclusive to married couples although that is ONE type of tax break |
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Well said. In here lies the answer to all the problems with gay marriage The government should not have anything to do with marriage at all. Not one bit. They should not have legal ceremonies nor should ones marital status have an concern over taxes or tax rates Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be seperated from our government totally. If your church wants to marry a man and woman or two men or a cat and a dog that should be your right to have faith however you want it but the government should have no say in the matter at all No gay marriage, no straight marriage... no civil unions or anything else. Just cut it totally out of the governments control then all the religious fanatics can go back to calling each other false or backwards and claiming to know the one true way while the government governs without favoring any one of them Can you list the legal benefits of civil marriage and explain why you thing the government should have NO intrest in providing such benefits? One MAJOR issue I have with the whole thing, is the state gets say and license over any kids if they become involved in the marriage through this contract. That's one thing I really do not want, cause they have no business dictating ANYTHING to a child of mine. can you explain how the state gets 'say and licence' over kids of marriage? |
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Edited by
Kleisto
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Thu 08/11/11 02:56 AM
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To me is not right at all bcos it is surpose to be blessed by God not man Well said. In here lies the answer to all the problems with gay marriage The government should not have anything to do with marriage at all. Not one bit. They should not have legal ceremonies nor should ones marital status have an concern over taxes or tax rates Marriage is a religious ceremony and should be seperated from our government totally. If your church wants to marry a man and woman or two men or a cat and a dog that should be your right to have faith however you want it but the government should have no say in the matter at all No gay marriage, no straight marriage... no civil unions or anything else. Just cut it totally out of the governments control then all the religious fanatics can go back to calling each other false or backwards and claiming to know the one true way while the government governs without favoring any one of them Can you list the legal benefits of civil marriage and explain why you thing the government should have NO intrest in providing such benefits? One MAJOR issue I have with the whole thing, is the state gets say and license over any kids if they become involved in the marriage through this contract. That's one thing I really do not want, cause they have no business dictating ANYTHING to a child of mine. can you explain how the state gets 'say and licence' over kids of marriage? In short.......this is why: "When you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State. It is a corporation of the State! Therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage. What is the fruit of your marriage? Your children and every piece of property you own. There is plenty of case law in American jurisprudence which declares this to be true. In 1993, parents were upset here in Wisconsin because a test was being administered to their children in the government schools which was very invasive of the family’s privacy. When parents complained, they were shocked by the school bureaucrats who informed them that their children were required to take the test by law and that they would have to take the test because they (the government school) had jurisdiction over their children. When parents asked the bureaucrats what gave them jurisdiction, the bureaucrats answered, "your marriage license and their birth certificates." Judicially, and in increasing fashion, practically, your state marriage license has far-reaching implications." Quoting from here for reference: http://www.mercyseat.net/BROCHURES/marriagelicense.htm There you go, right there in plain English. |
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What kind of test was it?
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