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| Topic: one wonders why submission has to be enforced on us , women | |
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My bad! Thats the internet! I believe alot of misunderstandings happen, because you are looking at a written word, on a computer, instead of talking face to face. Its not the same. Without seeing, and feeling, the emotion that the person is feeling, when they make comments, its hard to know EXACYLY what they mean by their statements! It gets alittle better if theres a webcam, but not completely! I am also sorry, for misunderstanding, what you wrote!  ((((((  KLC ))))))  See.. explanations do work when there are understandings sometimes. I'm glad you guys were able to work that out easily! 
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Awwww, (((((( Roberta )))))) Youre so sweet ta me.
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Where did the idea come from that respect=submission anyways? It must have been men designing a social construct (bible)to give themselves the continued advantage throughout time. HMMM?  One word has many many meanings. It can be used as a noun, verb, abjective & adverb. Here are some examples from Thesaurus.com. It may shed some light for you in that many of these words are used synomymous with "submit". Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: noun Definition: admiration given by others Synonyms: account, adoration, appreciation, approbation, awe, consideration, courtesy, deference, dignity, esteem, estimation, favor, fear, homage, honor, obeisance, ovation, recognition, regard, repute, reverence, testimonial, tribute, veneration, worship Antonyms: disdain, dishonor, disrespect Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: noun Definition: way, sense Synonyms: aspect, bearing, character, connection, detail, facet, feature, matter, particular, point, reference, regard, relation Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: verb Definition: admire; obey Synonyms: abide by, adhere to, adore, appreciate, attend, be awed by, be kind to, comply with, defer to, esteem, follow, have good opinion of, have high opinion, heed, honor, look up to, note, notice, observe of, pay attention, recognize, regard, revere, reverence, set store by, show consideration, show courtesy, spare, take into account, think highly of, uphold, value, venerate Antonyms: condemn, disobey, disrespect, scorn Concept: Respect. Category: 2. Moral sentiments Synonyms: -nouns respect, regard, consideration; courtesy; attention, deference, reverence, honor, esteem, estimation, veneration, admiration; approbation., homage, fealty, obeisance, genuflection, kneeling, prostration; obsequiousness; salaam, kowtow, bow, presenting arms, salute., respects, regards, duty, devoirs., devotion (piety). -verbs respect, regard; revere, reverence; hold in reverence, honor, venerate, hallow; esteem (approve of); think much of; entertain respect for, bear respect for; look up to, defer to; have a high opinion of, hold a high opinion of; pay attention, pay respect to; do honor to, render honor to; do the honors, hail; show courtesy; salute, present arms; do homage to, pay homage to; pay tribute to, kneel to, bow to, bend the knee to; fall down before, prostrate oneself, kiss the hem of one's garment; worship., keep one's distance, make room, observe due decorum, stand upon ceremony., command respect, inspire respect; awe, impose, overawe, dazzle. -adjectives respecting; respectful, deferential, decorous, reverential, obsequious, ceremoniuous, bareheaded, cap in hand, on one's knees; prostrate (servile)., respected; in high esteem, in high estimation; time-honored, venerable, emeritus. -adverbs in deference to; with all respect, with due respect, with the highest respect; with submission., saving your grace, saving your presence; salva sit reverentia; pace tanti nominis. -phrases "and pluck up drowned honor by the locks" [Henry IV]; "his honor rooted in dishonor stood" [Tennyson]; "honor pricks me on" [Henry IV]. Here's a picture  Hope this helped 
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submit is an action, that can result from many feelings
out of fear, out of respect, out of necessity,,,,etc,,, submitting out of respect is something that works when the person is worthy of/earning that respect |
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Where did the idea come from that respect=submission anyways? It must have been men designing a social construct (bible)to give themselves the continued advantage throughout time. HMMM? One word has many many meanings. It can be used as a noun, verb, abjective & adverb. Here are some examples from Thesaurus.com. It may shed some light for you in that many of these words are used synomymous with "submit". Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: noun Definition: admiration given by others Synonyms: account, adoration, appreciation, approbation, awe, consideration, courtesy, deference, dignity, esteem, estimation, favor, fear, homage, honor, obeisance, ovation, recognition, regard, repute, reverence, testimonial, tribute, veneration, worship Antonyms: disdain, dishonor, disrespect Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: noun Definition: way, sense Synonyms: aspect, bearing, character, connection, detail, facet, feature, matter, particular, point, reference, regard, relation Main Entry: respect Part of Speech: verb Definition: admire; obey Synonyms: abide by, adhere to, adore, appreciate, attend, be awed by, be kind to, comply with, defer to, esteem, follow, have good opinion of, have high opinion, heed, honor, look up to, note, notice, observe of, pay attention, recognize, regard, revere, reverence, set store by, show consideration, show courtesy, spare, take into account, think highly of, uphold, value, venerate Antonyms: condemn, disobey, disrespect, scorn Concept: Respect. Category: 2. Moral sentiments Synonyms: -nouns respect, regard, consideration; courtesy; attention, deference, reverence, honor, esteem, estimation, veneration, admiration; approbation., homage, fealty, obeisance, genuflection, kneeling, prostration; obsequiousness; salaam, kowtow, bow, presenting arms, salute., respects, regards, duty, devoirs., devotion (piety). -verbs respect, regard; revere, reverence; hold in reverence, honor, venerate, hallow; esteem (approve of); think much of; entertain respect for, bear respect for; look up to, defer to; have a high opinion of, hold a high opinion of; pay attention, pay respect to; do honor to, render honor to; do the honors, hail; show courtesy; salute, present arms; do homage to, pay homage to; pay tribute to, kneel to, bow to, bend the knee to; fall down before, prostrate oneself, kiss the hem of one's garment; worship., keep one's distance, make room, observe due decorum, stand upon ceremony., command respect, inspire respect; awe, impose, overawe, dazzle. -adjectives respecting; respectful, deferential, decorous, reverential, obsequious, ceremoniuous, bareheaded, cap in hand, on one's knees; prostrate (servile)., respected; in high esteem, in high estimation; time-honored, venerable, emeritus. -adverbs in deference to; with all respect, with due respect, with the highest respect; with submission., saving your grace, saving your presence; salva sit reverentia; pace tanti nominis. -phrases "and pluck up drowned honor by the locks" [Henry IV]; "his honor rooted in dishonor stood" [Tennyson]; "honor pricks me on" [Henry IV]. Here's a picture Hope this helped It is all good except it didn't address the reason that men wrote it in the bible so they could continue to have dominance over women no matter what name you wanted to call it. |
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submit is an action, that can result from many feelings out of fear, out of respect, out of necessity,,,,etc,,, submitting out of respect is something that works when the person is worthy of/earning that respect It/they/whatever is not worthy if they require/ask/expect submission anyway. That is the problem. |
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submission doesnt require a woman to not think for themself or speak their minds it requires respect for the husband 10 points and a Molson Ale on the house for Msharmony! she gets it! 
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Ohhhhhhhhhh, you just know I was just waiting for this question! I am a submissive in a sexual relationship. That does not mean that I cannot be the dominant,(I certainly like roll reversal) but I prefere the days of "Scarlett Ohara" and "Rhett Butler" when he said, "frankly Scarlette, I dont give a damn", and swooped her up in his arms,and carried her to the bedroom. Its JMO, but I find it much sexier, and much more exciting, when the man takes charge, between the sheets....it makes me feel like more of a woman, than a man, and thats hot! thank you yes, there are some of us who still like the traditional Capt. Caveman!
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Ohhhhhhhhhh, you just know I was just waiting for this question! I am a submissive in a sexual relationship. That does not mean that I cannot be the dominant,(I certainly like roll reversal) but I prefere the days of "Scarlett Ohara" and "Rhett Butler" when he said, "frankly Scarlette, I dont give a damn", and swooped her up in his arms,and carried her to the bedroom. Its JMO, but I find it much sexier, and much more exciting, when the man takes charge, between the sheets....it makes me feel like more of a woman, than a man, and thats hot! I suspect that you are not following the command of the bible in your perspective however. Just a hunch.  ummmmmmmmmmmm.....well ya |
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The bible states that a wife should submit to her husband, god recognizes the husband as head of the family, that the man must also submit to his wife and to take a majority of burdens on his shoulders, while the husband may be more of a figure head, it is usually the woman that runs the home, I use to refer to the ex as the boss.
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Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth.
The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man. |
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I guess this thread comes down to whatever a persons beliefs are, mocking ones beliefs is not very cool.
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well since the OP referenced a Christian perspective I think that' s where that train of thought came from
but certainly dragoness & others can choose their own interpretations I did not feel (and do not feel) at all circumvented as a woman - individual - strong-type person by the bible. but that's me - thick headed
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No one has mocked anyone. Just stated the fact of the matter.
Women are almost worthless in the bible. So if a woman wants to have self worth she needs to leave it alone and find a more woman friendly religion or go religionless either way. |
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I guess this thread comes down to whatever a persons beliefs are, mocking ones beliefs is not very cool. I don't see anyone mocking others' beliefs. I see people disagreeing and giving reasons why, which is perfectly fine. Not everyone is going to agree, but that does not mean they should not be able to discuss the topic. |
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Regardless of ones belief system, most woman expect the man to lead the family household, not so much from a monetary standpoint, but to lead by example, as to be a loving partner. a protector, the fixer of things, and to kill all the icky creepy crawly things.
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It is an equal leadership both being examples and household supporters in all ways.
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The Bible commands that husbands should love their wives and wives submit to their husbands.men who love their wives don-t have to remind them to be submissive,its only those who withhold their love from their wives who struggle.women respond very well to love .lets hear from men ,wht do you think ? i'll submit to no one! maybe thats why i'm still single... 
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All I am stating, there are gender related roles in a marriage and or relationship, men and woman are opposites after all, not trying to sound sexiest, just stating a fact.
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Regardless of ones belief system, most woman expect the man to lead the family household, not so much from a monetary standpoint, but to lead by example, as to be a loving partner. a protector, the fixer of things, and to kill all the icky creepy crawly things. I would say it depends on the woman. Some want more equal households. |
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