Topic: one wonders why submission has to be enforced on us , women
RainbowTrout's photo
Thu 08/25/11 02:45 AM

To be sincere a woman can be submissive to her husband biblical ,his husband will love her ,even with that she's gonna change the husand if he is not Godly..... 1pet 3:1-5 it's a matter of time because we do change by our nature.


His husband? Gets confusing doesn't it? Hey, did you ever watch the movie, "Red Sonya"? Red said she would only submit if the guy with the sword bested her with the sword. I like what the other lady said. "I don't think she is even trying to win."

Schwarzenegger himself even said "It's the worst film I have ever made." He joked, "Now, when my kids get out of line, they're sent to their room and forced to watch Red Sonja ten times. I never have too much trouble with them.":smile:

Jumper4480's photo
Thu 08/25/11 03:05 AM


To be sincere a woman can be submissive to her husband biblical ,his husband will love her ,even with that she's gonna change the husand if he is not Godly..... 1pet 3:1-5 it's a matter of time because we do change by our nature.


His husband? Gets confusing doesn't it? Hey, did you ever watch the movie, "Red Sonya"? Red said she would only submit if the guy with the sword bested her with the sword. I like what the other lady said. "I don't think she is even trying to win."

Schwarzenegger himself even said "It's the worst film I have ever made." He joked, "Now, when my kids get out of line, they're sent to their room and forced to watch Red Sonja ten times. I never have too much trouble with them.":smile:

biblical evey women must be submissive becos we are all dealing with God through His words not man.....if she does it according to that 1pet 3:1 ,God will implement it(jere 1:12)

no photo
Thu 08/25/11 06:27 AM
Edited by sweetestgirl11 on Thu 08/25/11 06:30 AM


Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth.

The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man.


not entirely true


1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV / 96 helpful votes
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.


1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.


The bible places no inferior status to a woman or a man for remaining single. It places our value in how we live our life, not in whether we do it with a partner.



I agree with that as far as the new testament anyway. as I have never felt limited by the bible but rather uplifted. It does not take a lot of creativity to benefit from the teachings of the bible while discarding elements that do not pertain to one's thinking or modern society. I don't know many Christian folk who take the bible word for word, and maybe that was the experience of some on here. I take nothing word for word....

nor would I not "submit" if I did not feel that it was in my best interests as well as those of my partner

winterblue56's photo
Thu 08/25/11 06:48 AM


No matter what the interpretation is, the bible is misogynistic and chauvinistic. None of which is healthy for a woman to believe and live by whether a woman realizes it or not.

When you read the Bible God will guide you, if you are open to "His" interpretations.

Submission and respect do not mean the same thing. That is what my point was. None of the definitions pointed to that being true either. Even with all the different forms of the definition.
Like I said, it depends of which context the word is used in. bow down to = submit kneel to = submit fall down before = submit.

Submitting is to allow control over. None of which should be happening in a healthy relationship.

Submitting is being humbled to. And in any healthy relationship, if you humble yourself to your partner and they, likewise, humble themselves to you, it's a blessed thing.

humuh's photo
Thu 08/25/11 06:50 AM
to begin with,what have you done to your photo jumper?if it is a universally accepted value for human beings moreso women to submit to there husbands irregardless of race then who are we to refute that.women do not head homes they are supportive,they advise husbands on crucial matters of the family but like it or not 90 percent of their contribution is approved. In other words they decide for us so in a nutshell we all submit to each other

winterblue56's photo
Thu 08/25/11 06:56 AM

Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.



Actually, women are able to use both sides of their brain at the same time which makes them make decisions based on logic and emotion. I don't believe it makes them "less" logical. Everything else that you spoke of ... I agree with you. Men and women are very different.

no photo
Thu 08/25/11 07:02 AM

to begin with,what have you done to your photo jumper?if it is a universally accepted value for human beings moreso women to submit to there husbands irregardless of race then who are we to refute that.women do not head homes they are supportive,they advise husbands on crucial matters of the family but like it or not 90 percent of their contribution is approved. In other words they decide for us so in a nutshell we all submit to each other


So, you believe that women should submit because they aren't heads of households and should just be supportive to their husbands? Times are changing. :wink:

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/25/11 07:06 AM
I wonder how recent,, such flip flopping would certainly seem scandalous


May 24, 2010

'Pope Benedict XVI on Thursday called abortion and same-sex marriage some of the most "insidious and dangerous" threats facing the world today, asserting key church teachings as he tried to move beyond the clerical abuse scandal.'


read more at: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-05-13-pope-abortion-gays_N.htm

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/25/11 07:17 AM


I wonder how recent,, such flip flopping would certainly seem scandalous


May 24, 2010

'Pope Benedict XVI on Thursday called abortion and same-sex marriage some of the most "insidious and dangerous" threats facing the world today, asserting key church teachings as he tried to move beyond the clerical abuse scandal.'


read more at: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-05-13-pope-abortion-gays_N.htm


Its from a couple weeks ago via 'the onion'.



oh,,lol,,,, no more explanation needed

luv2roknroll's photo
Thu 08/25/11 07:52 AM
ITS INTERMISSION EVERYONE..........

Time to go to Luv2's Neighborhood Bar, and have a few drinks, or some jello shooters,drinker

and of course theres always fresh popcorn at Luv's Neighborhood Bar.happy


(I think you guys all need an intermission break, and also, I want to hear all of this discussed, when your all hammered!

Now THATS entertainment!)laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

luv2roknroll's photo
Thu 08/25/11 07:56 AM


ITS INTERMISSION EVERYONE..........

Time to go to Luv2's Neighborhood Bar, and have a few drinks, or some jello shooters,drinker

and of course theres always fresh popcorn at Luv's Neighborhood Bar.happy


(I think you guys all need an intermission break, and also, I want to hear all of this discussed, when your all hammered!

Now THATS entertainment!)laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


Oh, my God! I love popcorn!
Its popping, as we speak!drool :laughing: :laughing:

curtiecurvy's photo
Thu 08/25/11 08:04 AM
In other words they decide for us so in a nutshell we all submit to each other
, thts very true darling

luv2roknroll's photo
Thu 08/25/11 08:08 AM
Edited by luv2roknroll on Thu 08/25/11 08:09 AM

In other words they decide for us so in a nutshell we all submit to each other
, thts very true darling





AND THEIR OFF!!

We see Cutiecurvy running in first place, with klc not far behind her, ohhhhhhhh.... klc, is gaining.....................................laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

curtiecurvy's photo
Thu 08/25/11 08:15 AM


In other words they decide for us so in a nutshell we all submit to each other
, thts very true darling





AND THEIR OFF!!

We see Cutiecurvy running in first place, with klc not far behind her, ohhhhhhhh.... klc, is gaining.....................................laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
.,am i stl leadng ? hahahahaha lolest !

luv2roknroll's photo
Thu 08/25/11 08:40 AM
CUTECURVY IS LEAVING KLC IN THE DUST..........

ITS LOOKIN LIKE, CUTECURVY IS GONNA WIN THIS RACE....................

EquusDancer's photo
Thu 08/25/11 09:36 AM

Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.



What crap! Here's a more recent article, and a partial quote.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/10/13/Men-and-women-have-equal-math-skills/UPI-51951286946442/

Nonetheless, teachers and parents often guide girls away from math-heavy sciences and engineering classes, Hyde says.

"Parents and teachers give little implicit messages about how good they expect kids to be at different subjects and that powerfully affects their self-concept of their ability," Hyde says in a statement. "There is lots of evidence that what we call 'stereotype threat' can hold women back in math. If, before a test, you imply that the women should expect to do a little worse than the men, that hurts performance. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy."
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Men AND Women have the ability to do quite well in maths and sciences, IF they both receive the support needed to learn it. There are also plenty of studies showing women may do even higher, if there is less men involved or bias's towards men in a learning situation. They won't "play dumb" for a guy.

Simonedemidova's photo
Thu 08/25/11 09:41 AM
Edited by Simonedemidova on Thu 08/25/11 09:43 AM
There is and always has been a major difference in the respect between men and women and how MEN treat women. From wages to dress codes to political positions...

We will always be expected to do things...that we are uncomfortable doing..not to say we must do them or will do them, however whats to be expected or submissively required...

I mean if we combed through the bible on all the directions and requirements we all fall short of the glory of GOD..and NO MAN can sit and say YOU MUST SUBMIT TO ME--(cuz)--Its in the bible----

There is a lot of stuff in that BIBLE in which no-one pays any attention to conveniently..How it benefits each individual is how they will respond to their readings and interpretation.

Simonedemidova's photo
Thu 08/25/11 09:46 AM


Woman are different from men both on a physical and emotional level, men's brains are also hardwired different then woman's, which is why men generally excel in math and science, there are woman that also excel in theses areas, but being a man mind is more pragmatic then a woman's, men have very low levels of estrogen, higher levels of estrogen attribute to have a higher degree of emotions, therefore having become less logical.



What crap! Here's a more recent article, and a partial quote.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2010/10/13/Men-and-women-have-equal-math-skills/UPI-51951286946442/

Nonetheless, teachers and parents often guide girls away from math-heavy sciences and engineering classes, Hyde says.

"Parents and teachers give little implicit messages about how good they expect kids to be at different subjects and that powerfully affects their self-concept of their ability," Hyde says in a statement. "There is lots of evidence that what we call 'stereotype threat' can hold women back in math. If, before a test, you imply that the women should expect to do a little worse than the men, that hurts performance. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Men AND Women have the ability to do quite well in maths and sciences, IF they both receive the support needed to learn it. There are also plenty of studies showing women may do even higher, if there is less men involved or bias's towards men in a learning situation. They won't "play dumb" for a guy.


Someone recently asked me why i didnt finish college..because of Algebra two--

I said what no? I took that when i was a sophomore in high school. My kids both son and daughter do pretty good too. If you educate your child regardless of sex, give them the tools they need to figure out the formula, they will understand and find math can be fun and useful..

Dragoness's photo
Thu 08/25/11 10:11 AM


Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth.

The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man.


not entirely true


1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV / 96 helpful votes
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.


1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 50 helpful votes
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.


The bible places no inferior status to a woman or a man for remaining single. It places our value in how we live our life, not in whether we do it with a partner.



Oh but it is true that the bible is misogynistic and demeaning to women. It starts in Genesis. If a woman accepts this story she is demeaning herself. One verse does not negate the full teachings of the book. Which is not healthy for women.

Again you have to outgrow the teachings of the bible like I have in order to really see the bible as it is. If you are not willing to do so then you may be trapped by it's derogatory teachings about women.

It is not the word of god, it is the word of very power hungry men. Who disregarded women as important in their daily lives.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 08/25/11 10:14 AM



A relationship is give and take.
Love is to be shared.

Holding love because she is not submissive is very bad action.

Before asking a women to be submissive she has to feel secure, love and trust that you will never abuse of such autority to tell her to do things that will make her suffer or that she may regret.

In my previous relationship I noticed that the women who was really submissive was the one I was giving most sincere love and I wasn,t never trying to dictate her but at the contrary we were discussing and she would almost always do what I wanted since I sincerely wanted the best for us and she could tell.



I want to remind most men that a women is intelligent, loving, worth to be loved and to be respected.
Even if she decides to be submissive.. If you don't let her discuss with you and give her opinion you are not having a wife than. It is a big mistake because the WOMEN have so much to give INTELLECTUALLY ALSO....



From a man who knows a women to become a wife she has to be your PARTNER, FRIEND AND LOVE ONE.





IF you were to move in with someone (Take the marital status out) and you did not have a JOB and they provided all the financial support for your wants and needs,,, would you feel you should have EQUAL say in that household?


ITs a matter of common sense, to me, and its a function of what each persons RESPONSIBILITIES earns them in each situation.

You cannot ASK someone to be submissive, dominant. These are both parts of who we are just as we are all part of a man and a woman.
Some extremes exist where people choose expression of exclusively their submissive side and some where they exclusively dominate. But there is no ABSOLUTE here, nor should there be. Just as children sometimes TEACH parents but it is the parents RESPONSIBILITY to teach the child. Rarely can two or more people find AGREEMENT in everying and someone will have to be the first one to come up with the ANSWER that the other agrees to. This is the nature of a relationship.

I am more of a submissive(when the condition is right with a responsible and trustworthy partner) than a dominant because I dont wish the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with being responsible for someone else. I prefer letting a responsible person who ENJOYS doing that do so, becuase, despite popular belief,, there are very few situations where SOMEONE doesnt eventually take the lead and make a decision before everyone else does...whether we call it an agreement or not.


Hell yea I am equal, no matter how much support he gives. My job in the relationship may be different from his but I am sure his equal in all ways.

Don't let someone pull that financial support means you are less than me crap on you. If you do you are demeaning yourself.