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| Topic: one wonders why submission has to be enforced on us , women | |
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The Bible commands that husbands should love their wives and wives submit to their husbands.men who love their wives don-t have to remind them to be submissive,its only those who withhold their love from their wives who struggle.women respond very well to love .lets hear from men ,wht do you think ? I think that it's useless to discuss a biblical issue with people who reject the Bible as being authoritative. Perhaps this topic would be better suited in some kind of religious forum. Yesssssssssssssssss. |
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why? does our technological advances mean we have learned more about what is important or just learned more about how to make our lives 'easier'? Because it is stupid to believe that men of that time were even qualified to address us and our life today. Human behavior has even changed since then. Women are no longer doormat property since then. We now know that no god is responsible for making this planet and all the animals on it unlike the ignorants of that time. It is just stupid and extremely unhealthy for women to believe men of that time could be a positive influence on them and their lives. |
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The bible was written a very long time ago and people should realise that much of it doesn't apply to modern society. Many believers will disagree and choose to live in a way that is not best for them or their happiness. I find it very pitiful. The Holy Bible might have been written a very long time ago but I make bold to say it yet remains the most current and uptodate information material ever produced in this world. No matter what,it can't go out of date and times. On the issue of submission by women,since d Bible commanded it,it becomes a divine instruction which must be adhered to but men too are biblically expected to reciprocate this by showing respect and providing for the needs of their wives. They are expected to treat their wives with care and tenderness... How is it current and up to date? Much of what is in the bible is out of date. Agreed but try ALL OF IT IS OUT OF DATE that is more accurate. It is silly to think that 2000 years ago men knew better than we do today   Date has nothing to do with knowledge. Disaster events has a way of destroying knowledge. It has happened in the past and could happen in the future if an extinction level event occurred. Especially in the past when writing was more primitive and less people were educated. Epidemics and natural disasters killing enough people could cause a loss of knowledge. Disaster events have nothing to do with the ignorance of the times. At that time men were ignorant, more ignorant then today, So it is not a healthy mindset to take yourself back to the old ignorance. Just the way I see it. I will read a book from old times and laugh at the ignorance of men, the bible is no different. |
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The Bible commands that husbands should love their wives and wives submit to their husbands.men who love their wives don-t have to remind them to be submissive,its only those who withhold their love from their wives who struggle.women respond very well to love .lets hear from men ,wht do you think ? I think that it's useless to discuss a biblical issue with people who reject the Bible as being authoritative. Perhaps this topic would be better suited in some kind of religious forum. Most truthful statement yet,,,, |
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A relationship is give and take. Love is to be shared. Holding love because she is not submissive is very bad action. Before asking a women to be submissive she has to feel secure, love and trust that you will never abuse of such autority to tell her to do things that will make her suffer or that she may regret. In my previous relationship I noticed that the women who was really submissive was the one I was giving most sincere love and I wasn,t never trying to dictate her but at the contrary we were discussing and she would almost always do what I wanted since I sincerely wanted the best for us and she could tell. I want to remind most men that a women is intelligent, loving, worth to be loved and to be respected. Even if she decides to be submissive.. If you don't let her discuss with you and give her opinion you are not having a wife than. It is a big mistake because the WOMEN have so much to give INTELLECTUALLY ALSO.... From a man who knows a women to become a wife she has to be your PARTNER, FRIEND AND LOVE ONE. IF you were to move in with someone (Take the marital status out) and you did not have a JOB and they provided all the financial support for your wants and needs,,, would you feel you should have EQUAL say in that household? ITs a matter of common sense, to me, and its a function of what each persons RESPONSIBILITIES earns them in each situation. You cannot ASK someone to be submissive, dominant. These are both parts of who we are just as we are all part of a man and a woman. Some extremes exist where people choose expression of exclusively their submissive side and some where they exclusively dominate. But there is no ABSOLUTE here, nor should there be. Just as children sometimes TEACH parents but it is the parents RESPONSIBILITY to teach the child. Rarely can two or more people find AGREEMENT in everying and someone will have to be the first one to come up with the ANSWER that the other agrees to. This is the nature of a relationship. I am more of a submissive(when the condition is right with a responsible and trustworthy partner) than a dominant because I dont wish the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with being responsible for someone else. I prefer letting a responsible person who ENJOYS doing that do so, becuase, despite popular belief,, there are very few situations where SOMEONE doesnt eventually take the lead and make a decision before everyone else does...whether we call it an agreement or not. - I personally prefer to be in charge rather than being financially dependant. But I agree that it dependends of each persons RESPONSIBILITIES in the relationship. The financial part is more and more taken care by the women those days(wich is not necessarily a bad thing) BUT THERE IS other valuable, respectable and very important responsibilities in a couple. - We are and remain always responsible for our hapiness. The dominant one as much as the submissive person feels more confortable and happy in his position and choose it for this purpose. Each of them is respectable and valuable as long it is give and take (not necessarily equally but enough to make both happy). |
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Hmmm I think every good team has a leader, so if my husband loved me and I trusted him, I would have no trouble following what he wanted me to do..Obviously if i thought he was wrong I would let him know, but without it was going to hurt someone, I would still leave the decision to him.
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Hmmm I think every good team has a leader, so if my husband loved me and I trusted him, I would have no trouble following what he wanted me to do..Obviously if i thought he was wrong I would let him know, but without it was going to hurt someone, I would still leave the decision to him. this, I think it is mostly a matter of trust though. Many just dont trust anyone or anything so such an 'agreement' would be hard for them. I dont trust EVERYONE, but I certainly trust those I feel are interested in whats beneficial and healthy for me. Finding such a MAN would be as much a gift, to me, as I think it would be for a man to find a supportive woman. I Think the combination of which, between two who genuinely love and care for each other, is a beautiful thing. |
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Hmmm I think every good team has a leader, so if my husband loved me and I trusted him, I would have no trouble following what he wanted me to do..Obviously if i thought he was wrong I would let him know, but without it was going to hurt someone, I would still leave the decision to him. this, I think it is mostly a matter of trust though. Many just dont trust anyone or anything so such an 'agreement' would be hard for them. I dont trust EVERYONE, but I certainly trust those I feel are interested in whats beneficial and healthy for me. Finding such a MAN would be as much a gift, to me, as I think it would be for a man to find a supportive woman. I Think the combination of which, between two who genuinely love and care for each other, is a beautiful thing. Yep it makes a huge difference, if you can trust and have a relationship based on giving and love it is so very different from a mixed up mess , where everyone is just trying to make things work.. it is very easy to trust and support if you know that someone loves you and will make decisions that are in your best interest, not just theirs. I was given the greatest gift i could ever recieve when I found someone who could love me like that.. |
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wives are expected to submit , but not women submit to men its like an employee may submit to the authority of their boss, within the confines of THAT relationship but not outside that relationship similarly, within the confine of a marital relationship, a wife submits to the husband but outside of being married, it is not required for women to submit to men that would be my interpretation also and I don;t take the bible literally or authoritatively - I love it as a moral guidebook but do not govern my personal life as regards my relationships with men by it nonetheless I interpret submission within a marriage to be not very different than the "honor" that is required of a man to his wife and being obedient to each other meaning that a man and a woman are intended to work as partners - no silent treatment, no ordering someone to do things their way - my way or the highway stuff being a big NO from either partner |
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