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No matter what the interpretation is, the bible is misogynistic and chauvinistic. None of which is healthy for a woman to believe and live by whether a woman realizes it or not. When you read the Bible God will guide you, if you are open to "His" interpretations. Submission and respect do not mean the same thing. That is what my point was. None of the definitions pointed to that being true either. Even with all the different forms of the definition. Like I said, it depends of which context the word is used in. bow down to = submit kneel to = submit fall down before = submit. Submitting is to allow control over. None of which should be happening in a healthy relationship. Submitting is being humbled to. And in any healthy relationship, if you humble yourself to your partner and they, likewise, humble themselves to you, it's a blessed thing. NOT! To all of it, just not. I think you need some English classes  Why because my negative was not what you think it should be. It is still ""not to all of it regardless to the english you want. |
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90 percent of any religious thread will be peoples 'unverifiable' opinions and interpretations,,,
thats why they are so unending,, everyone(religious and non) are convinced their form of 'enlightenment' is the right one,, and why shouldnt they be,,, what kind of life would it be if you walked around with NO BELIEF and no sense of 'certainty' about what it is you believed,,,, |
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How in the hell, did I get in the religious section???  You must have been a bad girl.  "Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" Mae West  |
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Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth. The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man. not entirely true 1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV / 96 helpful votes To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 50 helpful votes Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. The bible places no inferior status to a woman or a man for remaining single. It places our value in how we live our life, not in whether we do it with a partner. Oh but it is true that the bible is misogynistic and demeaning to women. It starts in Genesis. If a woman accepts this story she is demeaning herself. One verse does not negate the full teachings of the book. Which is not healthy for women. Again you have to outgrow the teachings of the bible like I have in order to really see the bible as it is. If you are not willing to do so then you may be trapped by it's derogatory teachings about women. It is not the word of god, it is the word of very power hungry men. Who disregarded women as important in their daily lives. I accept Genesis and dont demean myself. Im not even sure I see the connection. And if one verse doesnt negate the full teachings, than its hard to say what the 'full teachings' are as opposed to which are juse 'one verse' The TOTALITY of the book is about living life in a certain manner, regardless of gender. I would think that there are PLENTY of examples of women being cherished in the bible but that it takes the reader be willing to 'outgrow' their need to defy any differences in people to see it. LOL accepting Genesis is accepting you are less than a man. LOL It doesn't guide women too well...lol Actually it doesn't guide men too well either but at least it is pointed towards men for men by men. Even if it teaches them the wrong way to live. |
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How in the hell, did I get in the religious section??? You must have been a bad girl. "Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" Mae West Amen to that one and hopefully with more than one shot at a time.  
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Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth. The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man. not entirely true 1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV / 96 helpful votes To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 50 helpful votes Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. The bible places no inferior status to a woman or a man for remaining single. It places our value in how we live our life, not in whether we do it with a partner. Oh but it is true that the bible is misogynistic and demeaning to women. It starts in Genesis. If a woman accepts this story she is demeaning herself. One verse does not negate the full teachings of the book. Which is not healthy for women. Again you have to outgrow the teachings of the bible like I have in order to really see the bible as it is. If you are not willing to do so then you may be trapped by it's derogatory teachings about women. It is not the word of god, it is the word of very power hungry men. Who disregarded women as important in their daily lives. I accept Genesis and dont demean myself. Im not even sure I see the connection. And if one verse doesnt negate the full teachings, than its hard to say what the 'full teachings' are as opposed to which are juse 'one verse' The TOTALITY of the book is about living life in a certain manner, regardless of gender. I would think that there are PLENTY of examples of women being cherished in the bible but that it takes the reader be willing to 'outgrow' their need to defy any differences in people to see it. LOL accepting Genesis is accepting you are less than a man. LOL It doesn't guide women too well...lol Actually it doesn't guide men too well either but at least it is pointed towards men for men by men. Even if it teaches them the wrong way to live. no more than accepting the formal education system means accepting I am LESS than someone with a degree but I certainly will have a DIFFERENT experience in this world from those who have earned a higher degree than I have different, does not mean less,, and Im ok with different |
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How in the hell, did I get in the religious section??? You must have been a bad girl. "Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" Mae West Amen to that one and hopefully with more than one shot at a time.  
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Thu 08/25/11 05:27 PM
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<----------Walking around with a box hanging from her neck
POPCORN, CANDY, PEANUTS, CANDY, POPCORN, GET YOUR PEANUTS, CANDY, POPCORN, RIGHT HERE............................................
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Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth. The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man. not entirely true 1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV / 96 helpful votes To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 50 helpful votes Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. The bible places no inferior status to a woman or a man for remaining single. It places our value in how we live our life, not in whether we do it with a partner. Oh but it is true that the bible is misogynistic and demeaning to women. It starts in Genesis. If a woman accepts this story she is demeaning herself. One verse does not negate the full teachings of the book. Which is not healthy for women. Again you have to outgrow the teachings of the bible like I have in order to really see the bible as it is. If you are not willing to do so then you may be trapped by it's derogatory teachings about women. It is not the word of god, it is the word of very power hungry men. Who disregarded women as important in their daily lives. I accept Genesis and dont demean myself. Im not even sure I see the connection. And if one verse doesnt negate the full teachings, than its hard to say what the 'full teachings' are as opposed to which are juse 'one verse' The TOTALITY of the book is about living life in a certain manner, regardless of gender. I would think that there are PLENTY of examples of women being cherished in the bible but that it takes the reader be willing to 'outgrow' their need to defy any differences in people to see it. LOL accepting Genesis is accepting you are less than a man. LOL It doesn't guide women too well...lol Actually it doesn't guide men too well either but at least it is pointed towards men for men by men. Even if it teaches them the wrong way to live. no more than accepting the formal education system means accepting I am LESS than someone with a degree but I certainly will have a DIFFERENT experience in this world from those who have earned a higher degree than I have different, does not mean less,, and Im ok with different LOL you are less than someone with a degree? I am not less then anyone no matter what. Self esteem is a really important thing in life for real. |
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Following the bible is not healthy for a woman. I would not suggest it if they want to have self respect and self worth. The bible doesn't allow for it for a woman alone, she only gets her value from a man. not entirely true 1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV / 96 helpful votes To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. 1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV / 50 helpful votes Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. The bible places no inferior status to a woman or a man for remaining single. It places our value in how we live our life, not in whether we do it with a partner. Oh but it is true that the bible is misogynistic and demeaning to women. It starts in Genesis. If a woman accepts this story she is demeaning herself. One verse does not negate the full teachings of the book. Which is not healthy for women. Again you have to outgrow the teachings of the bible like I have in order to really see the bible as it is. If you are not willing to do so then you may be trapped by it's derogatory teachings about women. It is not the word of god, it is the word of very power hungry men. Who disregarded women as important in their daily lives. I accept Genesis and dont demean myself. Im not even sure I see the connection. And if one verse doesnt negate the full teachings, than its hard to say what the 'full teachings' are as opposed to which are juse 'one verse' The TOTALITY of the book is about living life in a certain manner, regardless of gender. I would think that there are PLENTY of examples of women being cherished in the bible but that it takes the reader be willing to 'outgrow' their need to defy any differences in people to see it. LOL accepting Genesis is accepting you are less than a man. LOL It doesn't guide women too well...lol Actually it doesn't guide men too well either but at least it is pointed towards men for men by men. Even if it teaches them the wrong way to live. no more than accepting the formal education system means accepting I am LESS than someone with a degree but I certainly will have a DIFFERENT experience in this world from those who have earned a higher degree than I have different, does not mean less,, and Im ok with different LOL you are less than someone with a degree? I am not less then anyone no matter what. Self esteem is a really important thing in life for real. no,,,that was the point I am DIFFERENT from someone with a higher degree, I will therefore have a different experience and different 'knowledge' than someone with that degree none of that means I am in any way 'less' than those with a higher degree its all in semantics and ones personal perceptions and I dont perceive 'different than' to be 'less than',,,,, a husband and a wife had a different role within the family unit,, I dont perceive that as making either one LESS than the other... |
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AND IT LOOKS LIKE KLC IS GONNA WITH THIS THING, BY A NOSE.......................
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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Thu 08/25/11 05:49 PM
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But just for play time kids!
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But just for play time kids! that is a different (consentual) type of submission |
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I hope we can express our disagreements without use of lol's. It would make it easier to beleive that we respect each others differences. LOl doesn't signify disrespect, just humor. |
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There is a lot of funny to this.
It is funny that women of today accept the garbage of men from 2000 years ago, now that is funny. It is funny that women would consider it fair to be asked to submit to someone they are equal to in a non playful way. It is not funny that women allow themselves to be demeaned and disregarded as invaluable by accepting the bible teachings and it makes it harder for women to get the equality that they should have in society. |
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I would agree that it is sad for women to take what the bible teaches to mean they are less than or to allow anyone of any gender to step all over them for any reason.
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AND KLC WINS IT BY A NOSE.....
(and she paid, 75-1) Yeeee Hawwww!! |
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exactly it's a style not a statement or slavery for heaven's sake |
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Go in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
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