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I think in the event of war, we should do what needs to be done to protect our people if such a threat arises. However if we are at war over resources then we should follow the ethics of what this country was founded on. Having been overseas for awhile, i can honestly say, nobody truley can comprehend or understand the meaning of war and what we have to do to protect and serve. Were supposed to be there to protect our own lands from tyranny, yet while were over there we also have to protect and serve the society of people around us while trying to survive at the same time. So, i guess the answer to your question, "anything we have to." I agree with what you are saying. I have seen with my own eyes what a terrorist bomb can do and it had quite the impact on me. The Alqueda are certainly as real as those bombs that killed Canadian Troops in Afghanistan while trying to rebuild roads and schools; as well as making it safe for women to attend school. The only good thing is that the Alqueda is aging and at least in Afghanistan; they are finding it hard to recruit the younger generation. As for torture; if it need be done to save hundreds or million of lives; I would certainly support it. At present; there are 150 countries that still use torture to extract information; so I don't feel the finger pointing should be directed at the United Sates. Most people are lucky that they haven't seen the terror, death, and damage that terrorism has done as they sit safe and sound in their own homes screaming about how wrong torture is. I think one would have a different perspective if they actually were there picking up the pieces after a terrorist attack. However this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced. I do not condone Terrorism. Question. What is your take on 23 days of bombing with sophisticated weapons on a contained population who had nowhere to go. Did those people feel terror?. That is terrorism. |
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Edited by
navygirl
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Al Qaeda does not exist. War exists, we all know that. Terrorism is a buzz word. Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication: Documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication: http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication.html BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after. This video documentary is off the hook… Well, my personal friends were in Afghanistan and the Alqueda certainly did exist but I am not going to argue the fact with you as we are not going to convince each other and I am too tired to care. It is what it is. |
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I think in the event of war, we should do what needs to be done to protect our people if such a threat arises. However if we are at war over resources then we should follow the ethics of what this country was founded on. Having been overseas for awhile, i can honestly say, nobody truley can comprehend or understand the meaning of war and what we have to do to protect and serve. Were supposed to be there to protect our own lands from tyranny, yet while were over there we also have to protect and serve the society of people around us while trying to survive at the same time. So, i guess the answer to your question, "anything we have to." I agree with what you are saying. I have seen with my own eyes what a terrorist bomb can do and it had quite the impact on me. The Alqueda are certainly as real as those bombs that killed Canadian Troops in Afghanistan while trying to rebuild roads and schools; as well as making it safe for women to attend school. The only good thing is that the Alqueda is aging and at least in Afghanistan; they are finding it hard to recruit the younger generation. As for torture; if it need be done to save hundreds or million of lives; I would certainly support it. At present; there are 150 countries that still use torture to extract information; so I don't feel the finger pointing should be directed at the United Sates. Most people are lucky that they haven't seen the terror, death, and damage that terrorism has done as they sit safe and sound in their own homes screaming about how wrong torture is. I think one would have a different perspective if they actually were there picking up the pieces after a terrorist attack. However this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced. I do not condone Terrorism. Question. What is your take on 23 days of bombing with sophisticated weapons on a contained population who had nowhere to go. Did those people feel terror?. That is terrorism. You and I know that is Terroism I was asking the Question of NavyGirl I was asking NavyGirl |
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I did not read all 10 pages of prior posts (that would have been a real torture).
My suggestion is that those congress members who think waterboarding is not a form of torture, will be given a non-transferable compulsory sensitivity training in which they get waterboarded non-stop for a few hours, while tied and screamed swearwords at them that defile (verbally) their mothers. Then have the vote. Don't let the Florida guv administration tally the votes, for christ's sake. |
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I think in the event of war, we should do what needs to be done to protect our people if such a threat arises. However if we are at war over resources then we should follow the ethics of what this country was founded on. Having been overseas for awhile, i can honestly say, nobody truley can comprehend or understand the meaning of war and what we have to do to protect and serve. Were supposed to be there to protect our own lands from tyranny, yet while were over there we also have to protect and serve the society of people around us while trying to survive at the same time. So, i guess the answer to your question, "anything we have to." I agree with what you are saying. I have seen with my own eyes what a terrorist bomb can do and it had quite the impact on me. The Alqueda are certainly as real as those bombs that killed Canadian Troops in Afghanistan while trying to rebuild roads and schools; as well as making it safe for women to attend school. The only good thing is that the Alqueda is aging and at least in Afghanistan; they are finding it hard to recruit the younger generation. As for torture; if it need be done to save hundreds or million of lives; I would certainly support it. At present; there are 150 countries that still use torture to extract information; so I don't feel the finger pointing should be directed at the United Sates. Most people are lucky that they haven't seen the terror, death, and damage that terrorism has done as they sit safe and sound in their own homes screaming about how wrong torture is. I think one would have a different perspective if they actually were there picking up the pieces after a terrorist attack. However this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced. I do not condone Terrorism. Question. What is your take on 23 days of bombing with sophisticated weapons on a contained population who had nowhere to go. Did those people feel terror?. That is terrorism. You and I know that is Terroism I was asking the Question of NavyGirl I was asking NavyGirl Nope, I don't think it was terrorism as bombing civilian populations have been going on since world war 2 but I am not getting into this with you. Feel free to argue your point with the others; I gave my opinion and I am not getting into anymore debate about this. I have better things to do. |
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I think in the event of war, we should do what needs to be done to protect our people if such a threat arises. However if we are at war over resources then we should follow the ethics of what this country was founded on. Having been overseas for awhile, i can honestly say, nobody truley can comprehend or understand the meaning of war and what we have to do to protect and serve. Were supposed to be there to protect our own lands from tyranny, yet while were over there we also have to protect and serve the society of people around us while trying to survive at the same time. So, i guess the answer to your question, "anything we have to." I agree with what you are saying. I have seen with my own eyes what a terrorist bomb can do and it had quite the impact on me. The Alqueda are certainly as real as those bombs that killed Canadian Troops in Afghanistan while trying to rebuild roads and schools; as well as making it safe for women to attend school. The only good thing is that the Alqueda is aging and at least in Afghanistan; they are finding it hard to recruit the younger generation. As for torture; if it need be done to save hundreds or million of lives; I would certainly support it. At present; there are 150 countries that still use torture to extract information; so I don't feel the finger pointing should be directed at the United Sates. Most people are lucky that they haven't seen the terror, death, and damage that terrorism has done as they sit safe and sound in their own homes screaming about how wrong torture is. I think one would have a different perspective if they actually were there picking up the pieces after a terrorist attack. However this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced. I do not condone Terrorism. Question. What is your take on 23 days of bombing with sophisticated weapons on a contained population who had nowhere to go. Did those people feel terror?. That is terrorism. You and I know that is Terroism I was asking the Question of NavyGirl I was asking NavyGirl Nope, I don't think it was terrorism as bombing civilian populations have been going on since world war 2 but I am not getting into this with you. Feel free to argue your point with the others; I gave my opinion and I am not getting into anymore debate about this. I have better things to do. I was interested in your opinion 
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Edited by
Ladylid2012
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Water boarding is considered torture under International Law...Obama banned it in in the US in 2009...It really didn't get much press here in the states until 2004 when it was made public that it was allegedly used in 02 and 03 by the Bush administration as a means of interrogating three suspected a-Qaeda terrorists.....In 02, The US Legal Counsel did write a memorandum which concluded water boarding was NOT torture and could be used for interrogation purposes...Does that make it right? Probably not...I am hard put to choose a side on this one because after 9/11, the game changed.....Those like Herman Cain, Governor Perry, and Michele Bachman who state unequivocally they would reinstate it if they were elected may not be in the majority, but at least they are being up front about it and I am sure they have access to more facts than I do or ever will have...In all honesty, if I was ever in a position where I had to make a choice and I was convinced American lives were at stake and I could save those lives, I would use any means I could to get the information I needed to protect innocent citizens.....PLEASE DON'T WATER BOARD ME!!!  I think that is not only wrong, it is pure evil. No kind of torture is acceptable for any reason at any time. Once you succumb to that kind of fear and you use your fear to torture suspects and deprive them of their rights, then you have gone over to the dark side. Fear has won. Terrorism wins. And if you are a Christian, shame on you, Satan has your soul. Don't torture people. Don't hit your children. What is wrong with you people?  what has christianity to do with war and discipline? I think Jeannie is very clear here...,. violence isn't Christlike!!~! neither is being a parent, if we are referring strictly to what Christ did or did not do that doesnt make it UN christian though Christians condoning violence are no better than those extremists who believe in jihad! Violence is violence. It is that simple. We make a decision to be non violent or not...not pick and choose when violence is acceptable, when it works in our favor which it can NEVER do. Because we can not hurt another without harming our self. geez!!!! |
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...so, we're all agreed then.
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Water boarding is considered torture under International Law...Obama banned it in in the US in 2009...It really didn't get much press here in the states until 2004 when it was made public that it was allegedly used in 02 and 03 by the Bush administration as a means of interrogating three suspected a-Qaeda terrorists.....In 02, The US Legal Counsel did write a memorandum which concluded water boarding was NOT torture and could be used for interrogation purposes...Does that make it right? Probably not...I am hard put to choose a side on this one because after 9/11, the game changed.....Those like Herman Cain, Governor Perry, and Michele Bachman who state unequivocally they would reinstate it if they were elected may not be in the majority, but at least they are being up front about it and I am sure they have access to more facts than I do or ever will have...In all honesty, if I was ever in a position where I had to make a choice and I was convinced American lives were at stake and I could save those lives, I would use any means I could to get the information I needed to protect innocent citizens.....PLEASE DON'T WATER BOARD ME!!! I think that is not only wrong, it is pure evil. No kind of torture is acceptable for any reason at any time. Once you succumb to that kind of fear and you use your fear to torture suspects and deprive them of their rights, then you have gone over to the dark side. Fear has won. Terrorism wins. And if you are a Christian, shame on you, Satan has your soul. Don't torture people. Don't hit your children. What is wrong with you people? what has christianity to do with war and discipline? I think Jeannie is very clear here...,. violence isn't Christlike!!~! neither is being a parent, if we are referring strictly to what Christ did or did not do that doesnt make it UN christian though Christians condoning violence are no better than those extremists who believe in jihad! Violence is violence. It is that simple. We make a decision to be non violent or not...not pick and choose when violence is acceptable, when it works in our favor which it can NEVER do. Because we can not hurt another without harming our self. geez!!!! Its never that simple. That is why we have murder, manslaughter, negligent homicide the same ACTION can be drastically different based upon how it is intended and how it is received so , violence is violence but not all Violence is bad violence,,, IF someone is beating me and I hit them back, I have engaged in violence, but its a bit different as a response than it is being initiated if I am wrestling with someone, intentionally, it is no less violent than if someone else wrestled with me against my wishes their action is the same, but the intent and reception is different, making it a different situation altogether,, |
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I did not read all 10 pages of prior posts (that would have been a real torture). My suggestion is that those congress members who think waterboarding is not a form of torture, will be given a non-transferable compulsory sensitivity training in which they get waterboarded non-stop for a few hours, while tied and screamed swearwords at them that defile (verbally) their mothers. Then have the vote. Don't let the Florida guv administration tally the votes, for christ's sake.  
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I did not read all 10 pages of prior posts (that would have been a real torture). My suggestion is that those congress members who think waterboarding is not a form of torture, will be given a non-transferable compulsory sensitivity training in which they get waterboarded non-stop for a few hours, while tied and screamed swearwords at them that defile (verbally) their mothers. Then have the vote. Don't let the Florida guv administration tally the votes, for christ's sake. Great idea! 
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I think in the event of war, we should do what needs to be done to protect our people if such a threat arises. However if we are at war over resources then we should follow the ethics of what this country was founded on. Having been overseas for awhile, i can honestly say, nobody truley can comprehend or understand the meaning of war and what we have to do to protect and serve. Were supposed to be there to protect our own lands from tyranny, yet while were over there we also have to protect and serve the society of people around us while trying to survive at the same time. So, i guess the answer to your question, "anything we have to." I agree with what you are saying. I have seen with my own eyes what a terrorist bomb can do and it had quite the impact on me. The Alqueda are certainly as real as those bombs that killed Canadian Troops in Afghanistan while trying to rebuild roads and schools; as well as making it safe for women to attend school. The only good thing is that the Alqueda is aging and at least in Afghanistan; they are finding it hard to recruit the younger generation. As for torture; if it need be done to save hundreds or million of lives; I would certainly support it. At present; there are 150 countries that still use torture to extract information; so I don't feel the finger pointing should be directed at the United Sates. Most people are lucky that they haven't seen the terror, death, and damage that terrorism has done as they sit safe and sound in their own homes screaming about how wrong torture is. I think one would have a different perspective if they actually were there picking up the pieces after a terrorist attack. However this is just my opinion based on what I have experienced. I do not condone Terrorism. Question. What is your take on 23 days of bombing with sophisticated weapons on a contained population who had nowhere to go. Did those people feel terror?. That is terrorism. You and I know that is Terroism I was asking the Question of NavyGirl I was asking NavyGirl Nope, I don't think it was terrorism as bombing civilian populations have been going on since world war 2 but I am not getting into this with you. Feel free to argue your point with the others; I gave my opinion and I am not getting into anymore debate about this. I have better things to do. So because it has been going on since world war 2 it is not "terrorism." I guess that is because the word "terrorism" is a recently invented buzz word attached to Al Qaeda and muslims. Okeee dokeee. 
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I did not read all 10 pages of prior posts (that would have been a real torture). My suggestion is that those congress members who think waterboarding is not a form of torture, will be given a non-transferable compulsory sensitivity training in which they get waterboarded non-stop for a few hours, while tied and screamed swearwords at them that defile (verbally) their mothers. Then have the vote. Don't let the Florida guv administration tally the votes, for christ's sake. String em up by the Chads - it'll teach em a lessn.
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Water boarding is considered torture under International Law...Obama banned it in in the US in 2009...It really didn't get much press here in the states until 2004 when it was made public that it was allegedly used in 02 and 03 by the Bush administration as a means of interrogating three suspected a-Qaeda terrorists.....In 02, The US Legal Counsel did write a memorandum which concluded water boarding was NOT torture and could be used for interrogation purposes...Does that make it right? Probably not...I am hard put to choose a side on this one because after 9/11, the game changed.....Those like Herman Cain, Governor Perry, and Michele Bachman who state unequivocally they would reinstate it if they were elected may not be in the majority, but at least they are being up front about it and I am sure they have access to more facts than I do or ever will have...In all honesty, if I was ever in a position where I had to make a choice and I was convinced American lives were at stake and I could save those lives, I would use any means I could to get the information I needed to protect innocent citizens.....PLEASE DON'T WATER BOARD ME!!! I think that is not only wrong, it is pure evil. No kind of torture is acceptable for any reason at any time. Once you succumb to that kind of fear and you use your fear to torture suspects and deprive them of their rights, then you have gone over to the dark side. Fear has won. Terrorism wins. And if you are a Christian, shame on you, Satan has your soul. Don't torture people. Don't hit your children. What is wrong with you people? what has christianity to do with war and discipline? I think Jeannie is very clear here...,. violence isn't Christlike!!~! neither is being a parent, if we are referring strictly to what Christ did or did not do that doesnt make it UN christian though Christians condoning violence are no better than those extremists who believe in jihad! Violence is violence. It is that simple. We make a decision to be non violent or not...not pick and choose when violence is acceptable, when it works in our favor which it can NEVER do. Because we can not hurt another without harming our self. geez!!!! Its never that simple. That is why we have murder, manslaughter, negligent homicide the same ACTION can be drastically different based upon how it is intended and how it is received so , violence is violence but not all Violence is bad violence,,, IF someone is beating me and I hit them back, I have engaged in violence, but its a bit different as a response than it is being initiated if I am wrestling with someone, intentionally, it is no less violent than if someone else wrestled with me against my wishes their action is the same, but the intent and reception is different, making it a different situation altogether,, Well, if it isn't bad then it wouldn't be called violence! Your just playing with words now. Everyone has the right to defend themselves..I have never said different. As far as your wrestling comment..you've left me speechless. It's just to silly to respond to. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Yes, everyone has a right to defend themselves from violence and to defend their family and friends etc. But defense can only happen at the time of the attack to be clear.
Torturing a suspect for information is not "defense." |
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The purpose of intelligence agencies that collect and gather information is for general defense. This is done with spies and operators and informants. It is unacceptable to pick someone up and torture them for information. That is barbaric.
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Yes, everyone has a right to defend themselves from violence and to defend their family and friends etc. But defense can only happen at the time of the attack to be clear. Torturing a suspect for information is not "defense." Well you have to weigh the distress caused to the terrorist by the interrogation with the distress caused to the terrorist's victims by the bombs. |
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Yes, everyone has a right to defend themselves from violence and to defend their family and friends etc. But defense can only happen at the time of the attack to be clear. Torturing a suspect for information is not "defense." Well you have to weigh the distress caused to the terrorist by the interrogation with the distress caused to the terrorist's victims by the bombs. Torture is not an option. No weighing of distress required. "Terrorist" is a buzz word. When a government starts torturing people they become the terrorists. |
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IT'S TORTURE! I wish they would have made Sean Wannabe (Fox) get waterboarded when he said on national TV that it wasn't torture and he would do it for charity! *****! Never went thru with it and shut up quick after the Vanity Fair article on it. They waterboarded Christopher Hitchens who wasnt even inclined with his head lower than his feet, no cellophane. He lasted about 20 seconds..... http://punditfight.blogspot.com/2009/04/watch-christopher-hitchens-volunteer-to.html Id forgotten it was him ... another right wing nut Christopher Hitchens Yep, but at least he had the balls to do it, Hannity chickened out! You'll also notice in the vid that they only poured a little at a time too. The real deal they pour about a quart at a time, continualy, one after the other. Yes ...fair play to Hitchens  I would pay decent money to see Hannity get the real treatment  Hannity, Levin, and all the other goons!
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Yes ...fair play to Hitchens I would pay decent money to see Hannity get the real treatment Hannity, Levin, and all the other goons! Isn't it interesting that those who call water boarding torture want to see it used on their political opponents? |
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