I know its a sensitive issue to discuss, but does it really have a place in christendom. I believe it was nne of the reasons why the Lord destroyed the Kingdoms of Sodom and Gomorrah..

It is abomination, but the world teaches to be accepting of it. It comes as no surprise as the world is very evil.

Ever heard of the saying "love the sinner but hate the sin?" I think that is how it should be. When a homosexual walks into the church we should not cast them out or start rebuking satan, they have come for healing. If we as "Christians" portray Jesus Christ well enough as to how we treat the next person, change is bound to take place. And alot of time people carry scars in their souls engraved in their childhood so for me we should address the child in a person before we want to address the person we see today. The tree only bears the fruits of the seeds that were sown...

1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
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Homosexuality could fit into effeminate and fornicators. Effeminate is woman qualities and fornication is sex outside of marriage, thus would fit into homosexuality as marriage is between a woman and man.
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Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
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Of course it doesn't use "Gay, homosexual, ect" because those words were not in existance at the time. But does tell us that we are not to lay with a man as we do a woman, we eg., man"kind".
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Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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This is speaking specifically of a male homosexuality. But what is good for the goose is good for the gander. I do believe this is probably the best verse against "homosexuality" in more of an explicit detail then "sexual immorality".
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Point taken and I am not trying to justify the sin. A guy that lives in my neighbourhood is gay and does the whole dressing like a female thing. It was revealed that when he was 7years old he was gang-raped by men and never told anyone about it. The only reason I know is because the person who spoke about it was also there when it took place but he ran away. They were terrified and told nobody about it and his family doesn't even know so he had to deal with all that trauma alone. Can you imagine what must have gone through his mind at the time? Why would men be attracted to a 7year old boy if there was nothing wrong with him? Those are the kind of questions he must still be asking himself today. Not everyone that is gay chooses to be gay, deception of their identity crept in along the way.

Yes, very tragic. Being attracted to the same sex and actually doing the physical action of "homosexuality" are two totally different things.

Everyone that is "gay/homosexual" chooses to be that. For again gay/homosexual is doing the actual action of sex between the two of the same gender. It would be a heavy cross for someone to bare that is attracted to just their own gender.

But nevertheless our wants, desires, or interest are not biological, nor are they a permanent have to sort of thing. We ourselves choose what we like, wants, ect influenced by the community we live in.

That is why homosexuality in itself is becoming more public. For one it's becoming more publically accepted, so therefore it's not frowned upon as much, thus when the interest or couriosity strikes, they try it out.

By no means am I judging a homosexual, for we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Is sin therefor only a sin when it is acted upon?

Matthew 5:28
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


To answer your question, no. Your actions are fueled by your desires. Your desires/wishes is where the sin(s) lay.

So therefore someone couldn't "accidently" sin against God. For they chose to do the action that was sinful. They didn't "accidently" do it.

Are you a theologian? or a pastor in training? so how does one fight a thought from becoming a desire which will only manifest itself in the end?

I'm neither lol. I'm just a good ole redneck that likes to discuss things about God.

One fights the desire of a sinful action by their will and through the help of God. One makes their will one with God, God will help you acheive it. Through God all things are possible.

If one keeps their eyes on God, they have no time to put their attention else where.

well said...especially the redneck part, lol. Joking...when someone calls another a "redneck" is that not usually offensive?

Depends on how it's presented. And some may take it offensively either way. But I'm proud to be the redneck I am lol.

I believe homosexuality is a carefully thought-out and analyzed decision by a mentally matured adult. No body was born gay or a lesbian. My pastor calls it an evil spirit because they keep trying to coerce, bully, bribe and force people into the act. I believe they require divine intervention cos that desire is 'unhuman'.

I believe all sin can be forgiven and that sinners have every place in christendom IF they are repenting and trying to be free from their sin.

I dont believe there is a place for LEADERS in the church to be embracing sin in their own lives.

The church should be a venue for people to congregate , but also a place where individuals can seek the strength to repent and live more righteously.

more poignantly , do children 'sin',, if they only know what an adult shows them and the adults tell them it is natural , normal, ok,,,,,that the bible only teaches to not be unhospitable to visitors?

can they be considered sinning if that is their reality?

if Adam and Eve had no KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, could they have ever sinned?

a church is one place to seek knowledge that many kids no longer have access to in their home or community,,,and they grow into adults who still dont have the knowledge

We ALL have to LEARN to fully trust God's Word.


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
Ephesians 2:8-10

"Confess your faults one to another,

and pray one for another,

that ye may be healed.

The effectual fervent prayer

of a righteous man availeth much."


James 5:16

The church should be a place to seek wisdom and guidance, to pray for strength, to pray/seek for forgiveness of sins, to change, to practice faith/prayer, to show tolerance to allow seeking forgiveneess, to lead through chistian maturity, to allow change.....as Jesus said to Mary Magdellan whose set upon by demons and freed by Jesus

Luke 8:1-3: Afterward [Jesus] journeyed from one town and village to another, preaching and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. Accompanying him were the Twelve and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward Chuza, Susanna, and many others who provided for them out of their resources.

John 8:1-11

8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Should we be any less tolerant and not allow a sinner to come to god through our prejudices? Should we refuse anyone to seek forgiveness through jesus christ? Should hands not be laid upon the wicked to cast demons from the soul? By what right, do we have to deny anyone opportunity of forgiveness and to become faithful?