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Topic: let's be fully informed
davinci1952's photo
Sat 07/28/07 05:46 AM
just trying to supply information....


Stack Your Candidate Against
Ron Paul's Record
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Congressman Ron Paul has a long history of working for Freedom in our nation's capitol. As a member of the United States House of Representatives, Dr. Paul has consistently worked to limit the size of the federal government. He has always worked to reduce taxes. He has repeatedly supported the cause of free markets. And he has never voted to support any measure not authorized by the Constitution of the United States of America.

Some important facts about Ron Paul's record:

* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He wants to remove Marijuana from the list of controlled substances

Ron Paul currently leads ALL '08 candidates with one-third of military contributions for Q2
(TheSpinFactor.com)

Military contributions among Republican presidential candidates place Ron Paul on top at 49.5%, with nearly as much as all Republicans combined.

A more complete compilation of statistics by Phreadom shows that presidential candidate Ron Paul leads all 2008 presidential candidates in military contributions from the US Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and war veterans. Presidential candidate Ron Paul leads with an impressive one-third of all contributions this second quarter according to newly released data from the FEC.

Ron Paul currently has more cash-on-hand than John McCain this quarter, and this new information is indicative of Ron Paul's success. It appears that our soldiers and war veterans have an affinity to, or inclination for Ron Paul's non-intervention principle - defending our homeland and pursuing terrorists, but no nation-building.

Military contributions for Q2

Ron Paul 32.94%
John McCain 22.99%
Hillary Clinton 13.92%
Bill Richardson 7.03%
Barack Obama 6.85%
Mitt Romney 4.68%
Rudy Giuliani 3.06%
John Edwards 2.97%
Tom Tancredo 1.85%
Duncan Hunter 1.32%
Joe Biden 1.06%
Mike Huckabee 0.20%
Mike Gravel 0.09%
Sam Brownback 0.07%
Dennis Kucinich 0%
Tommy Thompson 0%
Chris Dodd 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
John Cox 0%

Source: Finance Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly and compiled by Phreadom. Visit phreadom.blogspot.com for more detail.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/forum/read.html?id=10375

1. Ronald Ernest Paul was born on Aug. 20, 1935, in Pittsburgh. His father was a dairy farmer.

2. Paul graduated with a bachelor's degree from Gettysburg College in 1957 and with a medical degree from the Duke University School of Medicine in 1961.

3. He served as a flight surgeon in the Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and in the Air National Guard until 1968. That year he moved to Texas to take over another doctor's medical practice.

4. Paul greatly admires Ludwig von Mises (1881-1973), an Austrian economist who advocated laissez-faire, free market policies. A photo of the economist decorates his office wall. Paul became interested in politics in 1971 when President Nixon removed the country from the gold standard and set wage price controls disappointing actions to Paul (and presumably von Mises).

5. Paul was elected to the House of Representatives in a special election in April 1976 to replace resigning Rep. Robert R. Casey. He was not re-elected later that year but did win his bid in 1978. He held office until early 1985, when he returned to his medical practice.

6. Paul ran for president in 1988 as a candidate for the Libertarian party. He received over 400,000 votes (or 0.47 percent), finishing third behind George H. W. Bush and Michael Dukakis.

7. Returning to the GOP, Paul won office again in 1996 to represent his Texas district in the House. He has been re-elected five times. He reportedly would like to be listed as both a Republican and a Libertarian, if Texas law allowed. And maybe also as a member of the Constitutional Party.

8. Paul received the nickname "Dr. No" in Congress for repeatedly casting "nay" votes, even on legislation with almost unanimous support from his Republican colleagues. Explaining why he opposes legislation that expands government power, funds federal spending, or reduces privacy: "I interpret through the eyes of the Constitution. If we don't have direct authorization, I don't vote for it, even if there are good intentions." In 2006, the Washington Post wrote: "He says, if his fellow Republicans are 'very desperate,' he may allow himself to be talked into changing a 'no' vote to 'present.' "

9. During his medical career specializing in obstetrics/gynecology, he delivered more than 4,000 babies. He refused to accept payment by Medicare or Medicaid, preferring to not charge patients or to work out a cash payment.

10. Paul is married to Carol Wells. They have five children and 17 grandchildren. He supported his children during their undergraduate and medical school years not letting them accept federal student loans. It is also said he plans to refuse his congressional pension.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070323/23paulfacts.htm

don4169's photo
Sat 07/28/07 06:01 AM
sounds good.
see i'm not against everything you say.
just one point, as to his not voting for raises. is that possible, aren't their raises tied to the military bill for raises? i'm not sure.
as for turning money back to the treasure he doesn't use i wish they would let the military do that. if the military doesn't spend all the money ask for by unit, they get the budget for the next year cut because they didn't use the money.

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Sat 07/28/07 08:44 AM
I get a little tired of people putting a spin o things to take credit for something they didn't do. Once again no Senator or Congressman has TO VOTE FOR A PAY RAISE. They rewrote the legislation so that their pay raises are automatic every year unless they take a SPECIAL VOTE NOT TO HAVE A SALARY INCREASE THAT YEAR. If Ron Paul wants to strike a blow for liberty why don't he introduce legislation to change that law and also eliminate the retirement program for Senators and Congressmen and put them under Social Security?

Fanta46's photo
Sat 07/28/07 09:44 AM
I just hate that hes running as a republican, devincigrumble grumble

davinci1952's photo
Sun 07/29/07 06:30 AM
fanta... I dont like that either..I've never voted republican for president...
the only other option would be to declare 3rd party...but then you have to
get past the "wasted vote" BS .....I could hold my nose and vote republican
once if it was for him...when I listen to all the other candidates I hear nothing
but canned sound bites...very frustrating

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Sun 07/29/07 09:51 AM
In the past we voted for the candidate who we believed would do the most good, now we are down to trying to select the one that will do the least harm. When I look at the list of candidates on both sides I am reminded of the old Frank Sinatra Song "Is that all there is?"

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Sun 07/29/07 10:48 AM
i'll have to admit that being reduced to voting for the best of the worst is a little frustrating. i don't even want to vote during the next election but i'm thinking that because of the situation it's the most important time to vote.

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Sun 07/29/07 11:43 AM
I might Vote for Paul In the Primary.......frickin all the other candidates suck HARD on BOTH sides

RandomX's photo
Sun 07/29/07 11:44 AM
I vote for who Shares My Beliefs.....In this case Social and Fiscal Conservatives.

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Sun 07/29/07 02:03 PM
here's the thing... democrat and republican don't matter nearly as much as the quality of the candidate. i've voted democrat ever since i could vote because they've had a higher average IQ and better average morals. Ron Paul beats the crap out of every democratic candidate besides Kucinich and Richardson this time around though.

When you think about it, our left and right aren't very different. Compare us to european countries where the left and right really ARE extremes. The country runs pretty similarly from day to day life with demo or repub, it's more about the actual leader, his advisors, and how they will handle the big things. And that's all about their brains, integrity, creativity, and ability to manage resources.

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Sun 07/29/07 02:41 PM
Hmmm, from the sounds of it, I'll have to look him up. Sounds like my kind of candidate though!

jwaddy's photo
Sun 07/29/07 03:08 PM
Yeah, I think he's a front-runner for both parties. Most of the candidates with decent morals "aren't electable" yet this guy has followings from heavy democrats and republicans alike.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 07/29/07 03:18 PM
Richardson...............drinker drinker drinker

Fanta46's photo
Sun 07/29/07 03:28 PM
I believe the corruption runs too deep throughout the Republican Party, for me to vote for any of them. Ron Paul included.
I think Edwards and Richardson offer the best choice. Edwards probablt cares more about the plight of the average American, (not rich) but he seems a little spineless! I like Richardson's energy policy, and his foreign affairs expeirence is second to none.
I wouldnt vote for Hillary if she was the only candidate, or Guiliani (oh lord, hell no).
Obama is a face man, so hes not getting my vote.
I would vote for powell, but hes not running, or if Kerry were to run, Id vote for him again. I think he won the last time anyway!

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Sun 07/29/07 06:02 PM
>> I just hate that hes running as a republican, devinci

If he's a good candidate, thats even better! The party name is just a name, and the actual Democrat/Republican positions on many issues has changed over the years. The name of a party doesn't matter - its what the party and the person stand for. By supporting people with positions you like within a party whose positions you generally dislike - you help (in some infinitesimal way) not only to shape our society, but to reform that party.

Also, think of it this way - by running as a Republican, he is -displacing- some other Republican!

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Sun 07/29/07 06:04 PM
>> I believe the corruption runs too deep throughout the Republican Party,

Thats how I feel about both Democrats and Republicans...I understand how hard it can be to actually caste such a vote.

<sigh>

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Sun 07/29/07 06:05 PM
the thing is drivers can't keep pushing the speed limits speed kills people

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Sun 07/29/07 06:49 PM
thanks for bringing that up massagetrade. i think if more people thought that way we might actually get somewhere. instead i see too many people who make excuses for "their" party even though they are wrong. most common response, oh it's just some democratic/republican propaganda.

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Sun 07/29/07 06:59 PM
yes good point king if the polar bears become extinct who knows what else could happen? this is a big problem

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Sun 07/29/07 07:20 PM
Hey KB, whats going on?
On the topic,
A politician is a will always be a politician. They get to where they are by owing favors. Always has been and always will be. I do agree I wish Ron Paul was running In a different party b/c the republican party has had its shares of bumps and bruises in the last 6-7 years and anyone republican has to fight that. From the corrupt like Abronoff to the child molesters of the page program to not finding WMD”s. Democrats had to deal with sexual scandal and secrets going out the back doors like illegal immigrants. When its all said and done the only happy people are the money people pulling the strings. They have the population fighting for their parties. They know exactly who to back and having the money they do, always get their man or woman elected. As long as we are bickering about how Republicans or democrats are screwing the country up the money people are laughing all the way to the bank. I are with someone here who said it cant be about party voting. Has to be for the one that resembles your views the most. Lots of times it is the lesser of two evils but if we hold them accountable often enough the new ones might get the picture. Someone on the internet “can’t remember the name” posted all of the senators and congressman names and #’s for their homes right before the “amnesty vote” and they did not like that at all. So sooner or later these people will get the idea they are there for us not the other way around. The only way to do it, isI to hold them accountable as a person and not a person from a particular party. In the old days people fought for the rights of all. Now people fight to defend their party and I am pretty sure we wont get anything accomplished that way.

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