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Topic: Math is real.
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Thu 06/21/12 01:42 PM
Is math the only true reality?

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Thu 06/21/12 02:10 PM
In philosophy, there are two kinds of entities: Contingent and Necessary. Necessary entities would exist unchanged regardless of the universe, while contingent entities depend upon another entity for it's existence.

Math is most likely a necessary entity.

In a multiverse, there could be an entire universe that was nothing but marshmellows, but math would still exist there, even if there was nobody there to practice it.

God is the only other necessary entity known to mankind.

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Thu 06/21/12 04:40 PM
So, would math be more like God's programming language?

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Thu 06/21/12 06:09 PM

Is math the only true reality?

How could math exist without there being someone who can do math?

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Thu 06/21/12 06:12 PM
Light and sound. Harmonics.

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Thu 06/21/12 06:14 PM

So, would math be more like God's programming language?


Another interesting idea. It's something that we might never know, but I see no harm in speculation.

God is a rational being, all of His actions are rational. Mathematics are rational, even when we don't understand the equations. It could be that God and mathematics are independently necessary or mathematics could be contingent upon God's existence. The fact that everything God does is rational would mean that mathematics would be the same no matter what universe He created. Maybe we only perceive mathematics as necessary, because mathematics is a purely rational entity and would be created by God the same way regardless of the universe.

If that is true, I guess you could say that mathematics is God's building code.

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Thu 06/21/12 06:19 PM


Is math the only true reality?

How could math exist without there being someone who can do math?


If there are four coconuts on a beach and no humans are around, are there still four coconuts on the beach? Clearly, yes. Mathematics are not contingent upon humans being around.

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Thu 06/21/12 06:24 PM
So, let's say math IS God's building code. Would that mean that everything is based on being either true or false?

If that is so, then it would really come down to being either black or white, right? There should be no grey area, should there?

I fell asleep before I started this thread, and I just had a very... interesting dream, and thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.

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Thu 06/21/12 06:52 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 06/21/12 06:53 PM

So, let's say math IS God's building code. Would that mean that everything is based on being either true or false?

If that is so, then it would really come down to being either black or white, right? There should be no grey area, should there?

I fell asleep before I started this thread, and I just had a very... interesting dream, and thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.



This is a computerized matrix of sorts. It all boils down to zeros and ones and combinations thereof.

Information equals truth.

There is no "false." There is only "true."

That's like there is no "zero" there is only "1"

If all the 1's disappeared, reality would no longer exist.

Reality is all vibration. Everything similar to a holographic simulation. It is made of light and sound which is vibration and frequency.







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Thu 06/21/12 06:59 PM


So, let's say math IS God's building code. Would that mean that everything is based on being either true or false?

If that is so, then it would really come down to being either black or white, right? There should be no grey area, should there?

I fell asleep before I started this thread, and I just had a very... interesting dream, and thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.



This is a computerized matrix of sorts. It all boils down to zeros and ones and combinations thereof.

Information equals truth.

There is no "false." There is only "true."

That's like there is no "zero" there is only "1"

If all the 1's disappeared, reality would no longer exist.

Reality is all vibration. Everything similar to a holographic simulation. It is made of light and sound which is vibration and frequency.









Not all information is truth though.

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Thu 06/21/12 07:32 PM
if you can't describe it with math it's not truth, only philosophy

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Thu 06/21/12 07:57 PM



So, let's say math IS God's building code. Would that mean that everything is based on being either true or false?

If that is so, then it would really come down to being either black or white, right? There should be no grey area, should there?

I fell asleep before I started this thread, and I just had a very... interesting dream, and thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.



This is a computerized matrix of sorts. It all boils down to zeros and ones and combinations thereof.

Information equals truth.

There is no "false." There is only "true."

That's like there is no "zero" there is only "1"

If all the 1's disappeared, reality would no longer exist.

Reality is all vibration. Everything similar to a holographic simulation. It is made of light and sound which is vibration and frequency.





Not all information is truth though.



Like what?





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Thu 06/21/12 08:00 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 06/21/12 08:02 PM
Truth is information. Information is truth.

Anything in this world, that is not truth is not information.

So, what is it?

It is meaningless static.

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Thu 06/21/12 08:08 PM




So, let's say math IS God's building code. Would that mean that everything is based on being either true or false?

If that is so, then it would really come down to being either black or white, right? There should be no grey area, should there?

I fell asleep before I started this thread, and I just had a very... interesting dream, and thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.



This is a computerized matrix of sorts. It all boils down to zeros and ones and combinations thereof.

Information equals truth.

There is no "false." There is only "true."

That's like there is no "zero" there is only "1"

If all the 1's disappeared, reality would no longer exist.

Reality is all vibration. Everything similar to a holographic simulation. It is made of light and sound which is vibration and frequency.





Not all information is truth though.



Like what?







Example

Information: The moth flew into the bottle.

That's not true. I pushed the moth into the bottle. Even more so, it wasn't even a moth.

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Thu 06/21/12 09:06 PM



Is math the only true reality?

How could math exist without there being someone who can do math?


If there are four coconuts on a beach and no humans are around, are there still four coconuts on the beach? Clearly, yes. Mathematics are not contingent upon humans being around.

On the contrary, mathematics has to be defined in order to know if it is in existence, and what life forms* other than humans can define mathematics?

[*By life forms, I mean life forms that can be scientifically proven to exist.]

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Thu 06/21/12 09:09 PM




Is math the only true reality?

How could math exist without there being someone who can do math?


If there are four coconuts on a beach and no humans are around, are there still four coconuts on the beach? Clearly, yes. Mathematics are not contingent upon humans being around.

On the contrary, mathematics has to be defined in order to know if it is in existence, and what life forms* other than humans can define mathematics?

[*By life forms, I mean life forms that can be scientifically proven to exist.]


That makes no sense, you know that, right?

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Thu 06/21/12 09:24 PM





Is math the only true reality?

How could math exist without there being someone who can do math?


If there are four coconuts on a beach and no humans are around, are there still four coconuts on the beach? Clearly, yes. Mathematics are not contingent upon humans being around.

On the contrary, mathematics has to be defined in order to know if it is in existence, and what life forms* other than humans can define mathematics?

[*By life forms, I mean life forms that can be scientifically proven to exist.]


That makes no sense, you know that, right?


Uh, try looking up the definition of mathematics.

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Thu 06/21/12 09:28 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 06/21/12 09:28 PM





So, let's say math IS God's building code. Would that mean that everything is based on being either true or false?

If that is so, then it would really come down to being either black or white, right? There should be no grey area, should there?

I fell asleep before I started this thread, and I just had a very... interesting dream, and thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.



This is a computerized matrix of sorts. It all boils down to zeros and ones and combinations thereof.

Information equals truth.

There is no "false." There is only "true."

That's like there is no "zero" there is only "1"

If all the 1's disappeared, reality would no longer exist.

Reality is all vibration. Everything similar to a holographic simulation. It is made of light and sound which is vibration and frequency.





Not all information is truth though.



Like what?







Example

Information: The moth flew into the bottle.

That's not true. I pushed the moth into the bottle. Even more so, it wasn't even a moth.


If it is not true, then it is not information. It is worthless static. It is just noise.

It is simply a distraction from truth.




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Thu 06/21/12 09:28 PM

Is math the only true reality?


Mathematical physicist John Polkinghorne (1998) writes, "Science and theology lie at the opposite ends of a spectrum of rational human inquiry into reality. At the scientific end is the realm of the impersonal experience; at the theological end is the realm of experience of the transpersonal. In between lie the realms of human personal encounter with reality, which are the subjects of disciplines such as aesthetics and ethics. The whole spectrum of enquiry makes up the rich many-stranded texture of human knowledge, surveying the encounter with the multi-leveled reality of the one world of human experience."(p. 128)

Polkinghorne, J. (1998). Science & theology. Minneapolis: SPCK Fortress Press.

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Fri 06/22/12 01:12 AM

So, would math be more like God's programming language?
Einstein probably thought so.

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