Topic: Gandhi said...
msharmony's photo
Sat 10/06/12 10:12 AM



so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression





forgiveness doesnt negate truth

someone that doesnt like people for being truthful certainly would not like Jesus either

so I feel in good company


MsHarmony.. so your concept of showing the love is to bring up bad truthful things about the person you are showing the love to

so what's the goal of this type of Love...to give them one good jab ...or perhaps one good "stab"




this thread was not about showing love


the goal was to show a balance, a complete picture


the op uses someone whose words people hold up in some type of reverence

the truth is, he can be as wrong and hateful as anyone else, even about christians, and christians can still love HIM even if he doesnt like them because they are as imperfect as he,,,


CowboyGH's photo
Sat 10/06/12 10:13 AM



so Gandhi disking the Christians is showing Love?

under the philosophy of Gandhi, India now have Nuclear Weapons ...the result of Love

perhaps the problem is the term Love itself..it can be applied to anything and everything and once it's used in a sentence the sentence automatically becomes a parable

FOR EXAMPLE:
one can claim to love them, but not be in love with them

so when you ask people to show the Love, exactly what are you asking them to do

without a universal meaning as to what Love is, then the word itself is meaningless





FOR EXAMPLE:
one can claim to love them, but not be in love with them

so when you ask people to show the Love, exactly what are you asking them to do

without a universal meaning as to what Love is, then the word itself is meaningless


Being loving and kind and being in love with someone is almost two different things. Being in love with someone is an expression to give better detail on the emotion therein.

There are many kinds of love.

- Do you love your mom and dad the same way you love your friends?
- Do you love your grandparents the same way you love your friends?
- Do you love your spouse the same way you love your parents?

Ect ect, there are many different levels of love. Love isn't black and white.


How is something almost different?....Love in and of itself is black and white, how we express it and why we express it the way we do is what is NOT black and white....For instance, at times a man expresses his love for his child differently than he expresses his love for his wife but the love he holds for each is exactly the same...it is love, just love.....I will agree with you when you say there are many different levels of love with respect to the depth or degree only because it can and does change over time...


Ah yes, but love is only true through actions.


Thus just because we love our neighbors, does not mean we are "in love" with them, for again "in love" is an expression to seclude the person in question.

Love is shown through actions, you would kiss your mom/dad to show them love. But it is a different kiss then you would do say with your spouse. Thus, the love in itself is a different type of love.

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Sat 10/06/12 10:18 AM





so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression






Christianity breeds hypocrisy...


Man breeds hypocrisy.

There is no one greater then another, besides God of course. But speaking of the people that walk this Earth in the flesh. Not one of us is greater then another, not a Christian, not a Catholic, not anyone. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

And there is no hypocrisy in what we're taught. What is wrong for you is wrong for me as well. Unless you please wish to elaborate on your comment.


John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Sure, I'll elaborate...In order to be a true christian, you must sacrifice your ability to reason by holding faith above question...This fact creates a breeding ground for hypocrisy ...


Again, where is the hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is telling someone not to do something and turning around and doing it. Or something of that nature, so again I ask. Where is the hypocrisy?


One example of hypocrisy (for me) is exactly what Funches pointed out to Harmony a couple of posts back when he called her out for quoting hate speak while claiming to be a christian....


hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 10/06/12 10:30 AM



Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Cowboy...aren't you commanded to Love Satan?

but for the sake of argument what have Satan ever done to you that others have not done or have not attempted to do to you? but yet you single him out as being everyone's enemy and their only enemy

so what type of Love is that?


Satan does many evil deeds. He tries to place a barrier between me and God. He tried to place doubt. He does this to everyone.

But that doesn't mean I don't love Satan. I wish him all the best. That doesn't mean I'll listen to him or follow after him. Just means I care for Satan as a being.

Love thine enemy.
like Gandhi commanded the Jews to do?

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/06/12 10:46 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 10/06/12 10:46 AM






so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression






Christianity breeds hypocrisy...


Man breeds hypocrisy.

There is no one greater then another, besides God of course. But speaking of the people that walk this Earth in the flesh. Not one of us is greater then another, not a Christian, not a Catholic, not anyone. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

And there is no hypocrisy in what we're taught. What is wrong for you is wrong for me as well. Unless you please wish to elaborate on your comment.


John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Sure, I'll elaborate...In order to be a true christian, you must sacrifice your ability to reason by holding faith above question...This fact creates a breeding ground for hypocrisy ...


Again, where is the hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is telling someone not to do something and turning around and doing it. Or something of that nature, so again I ask. Where is the hypocrisy?


One example of hypocrisy (for me) is exactly what Funches pointed out to Harmony a couple of posts back when he called her out for quoting hate speak while claiming to be a christian....


hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.



pointing out hate speak is not an example of hypocrisy

pointing out hate speak while speaking hatefully would be hypocrisy

I think the term is being misunderstood and misused,,,


I told the truth of something that happened, there is nothing hypocritical in that

no photo
Sat 10/06/12 11:06 AM







so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression






Christianity breeds hypocrisy...


Man breeds hypocrisy.

There is no one greater then another, besides God of course. But speaking of the people that walk this Earth in the flesh. Not one of us is greater then another, not a Christian, not a Catholic, not anyone. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

And there is no hypocrisy in what we're taught. What is wrong for you is wrong for me as well. Unless you please wish to elaborate on your comment.


John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Sure, I'll elaborate...In order to be a true christian, you must sacrifice your ability to reason by holding faith above question...This fact creates a breeding ground for hypocrisy ...


Again, where is the hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is telling someone not to do something and turning around and doing it. Or something of that nature, so again I ask. Where is the hypocrisy?


One example of hypocrisy (for me) is exactly what Funches pointed out to Harmony a couple of posts back when he called her out for quoting hate speak while claiming to be a christian....


hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.



pointing out hate speak is not an example of hypocrisy

pointing out hate speak while speaking hatefully would be hypocrisy

I think the term is being misunderstood and misused,,,


I told the truth of something that happened, there is nothing hypocritical in that


The hypocrisy (for me) is not in questioning the validity of the statement....The hypocrisy (for me) lies within the fact that you are repeating hate speak, carrying it further, dispensing it...I don't think a true christian would do that....

no photo
Sat 10/06/12 11:52 AM



Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Cowboy...aren't you commanded to Love Satan?

but for the sake of argument what have Satan ever done to you that others have not done or have not attempted to do to you? but yet you single him out as being everyone's enemy and their only enemy

so what type of Love is that?


Satan does many evil deeds. He tries to place a barrier between me and God. He tried to place doubt. He does this to everyone.

But that doesn't mean I don't love Satan. I wish him all the best. That doesn't mean I'll listen to him or follow after him. Just means I care for Satan as a being.

Love thine enemy.


there is nothing in your post that you claim that Satan have done to you that isn't your own fault...if you have doubts about God why is it Satan's fault...I think that falls into the realm of "lack of Faith" some might say "common sense"...I said "to believe is to doubt"...funches 3:16

but anyway so far your concept of showing the love to Satan is to only express bad things about him

are you not confusing love with hate

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Sat 10/06/12 12:05 PM




so Gandhi disking the Christians is showing Love?

under the philosophy of Gandhi, India now have Nuclear Weapons ...the result of Love

perhaps the problem is the term Love itself..it can be applied to anything and everything and once it's used in a sentence the sentence automatically becomes a parable

FOR EXAMPLE:
one can claim to love them, but not be in love with them

so when you ask people to show the Love, exactly what are you asking them to do

without a universal meaning as to what Love is, then the word itself is meaningless





FOR EXAMPLE:
one can claim to love them, but not be in love with them

so when you ask people to show the Love, exactly what are you asking them to do

without a universal meaning as to what Love is, then the word itself is meaningless


Being loving and kind and being in love with someone is almost two different things. Being in love with someone is an expression to give better detail on the emotion therein.

There are many kinds of love.

- Do you love your mom and dad the same way you love your friends?
- Do you love your grandparents the same way you love your friends?
- Do you love your spouse the same way you love your parents?

Ect ect, there are many different levels of love. Love isn't black and white.


How is something almost different?....Love in and of itself is black and white, how we express it and why we express it the way we do is what is NOT black and white....For instance, at times a man expresses his love for his child differently than he expresses his love for his wife but the love he holds for each is exactly the same...it is love, just love.....I will agree with you when you say there are many different levels of love with respect to the depth or degree only because it can and does change over time...


Ah yes, but love is only true through actions.


Thus just because we love our neighbors, does not mean we are "in love" with them, for again "in love" is an expression to seclude the person in question.

Love is shown through actions, you would kiss your mom/dad to show them love. But it is a different kiss then you would do say with your spouse. Thus, the love in itself is a different type of love.


Not true, you either love your neighbor or you don't...black and white...Actions do not dictate or determine love.....Love is love, only the expression of love is different....

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Sat 10/06/12 12:33 PM

this thread was not about showing love


the goal was to show a balance, a complete picture


the op uses someone whose words people hold up in some type of reverence

the truth is, he can be as wrong and hateful as anyone else, even about christians, and christians can still love HIM even if he doesnt like them because they are as imperfect as he,,,




MsHarmony...I'm not disputing the fact that christians just like anyone else can claim to love who they choose,all I'm pointing is loving someone because you were commanded or requested to do so is the type of love best suited for robots or sociopaths

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/06/12 02:01 PM








so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression






Christianity breeds hypocrisy...


Man breeds hypocrisy.

There is no one greater then another, besides God of course. But speaking of the people that walk this Earth in the flesh. Not one of us is greater then another, not a Christian, not a Catholic, not anyone. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

And there is no hypocrisy in what we're taught. What is wrong for you is wrong for me as well. Unless you please wish to elaborate on your comment.


John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Sure, I'll elaborate...In order to be a true christian, you must sacrifice your ability to reason by holding faith above question...This fact creates a breeding ground for hypocrisy ...


Again, where is the hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is telling someone not to do something and turning around and doing it. Or something of that nature, so again I ask. Where is the hypocrisy?


One example of hypocrisy (for me) is exactly what Funches pointed out to Harmony a couple of posts back when he called her out for quoting hate speak while claiming to be a christian....


hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.



pointing out hate speak is not an example of hypocrisy

pointing out hate speak while speaking hatefully would be hypocrisy

I think the term is being misunderstood and misused,,,


I told the truth of something that happened, there is nothing hypocritical in that


The hypocrisy (for me) is not in questioning the validity of the statement....The hypocrisy (for me) lies within the fact that you are repeating hate speak, carrying it further, dispensing it...I don't think a true christian would do that....


a true christian never repeats truths about what has been said or done?

I guess 'true' christians should not be reading the bible then,,,,

and carrying things 'further' is the whole dynamic of a forum with topics,,,,





msharmony's photo
Sat 10/06/12 02:03 PM


this thread was not about showing love


the goal was to show a balance, a complete picture


the op uses someone whose words people hold up in some type of reverence

the truth is, he can be as wrong and hateful as anyone else, even about christians, and christians can still love HIM even if he doesnt like them because they are as imperfect as he,,,




MsHarmony...I'm not disputing the fact that christians just like anyone else can claim to love who they choose,all I'm pointing is loving someone because you were commanded or requested to do so is the type of love best suited for robots or sociopaths




only true if that is the ONLY reason,,,,

for instance, a robot can be programmed to do a math problem because it was commanded to

whereas I can likewise CHOOSE to do a math problem, after having the option to do so



,,,the latter is choice, the former is not,, even though they are the same action

love is likewise a choice

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/06/12 02:03 PM


this thread was not about showing love


the goal was to show a balance, a complete picture


the op uses someone whose words people hold up in some type of reverence

the truth is, he can be as wrong and hateful as anyone else, even about christians, and christians can still love HIM even if he doesnt like them because they are as imperfect as he,,,




MsHarmony...I'm not disputing the fact that christians just like anyone else can claim to love who they choose,all I'm pointing is loving someone because you were commanded or requested to do so is the type of love best suited for robots or sociopaths




only true if that is the ONLY reason,,,,

for instance, a robot can be programmed to do a math problem because it was commanded to

whereas I can likewise CHOOSE to do a math problem, after having the option to do so



,,,the latter is choice, the former is not,, even though they are the same action

love is likewise a choice

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Sun 10/07/12 06:18 AM



this thread was not about showing love


the goal was to show a balance, a complete picture


the op uses someone whose words people hold up in some type of reverence

the truth is, he can be as wrong and hateful as anyone else, even about christians, and christians can still love HIM even if he doesnt like them because they are as imperfect as he,,,




MsHarmony...I'm not disputing the fact that christians just like anyone else can claim to love who they choose,all I'm pointing is loving someone because you were commanded or requested to do so is the type of love best suited for robots or sociopaths




only true if that is the ONLY reason,,,,

for instance, a robot can be programmed to do a math problem because it was commanded to

whereas I can likewise CHOOSE to do a math problem, after having the option to do so



,,,the latter is choice, the former is not,, even though they are the same action

love is likewise a choice


see... once I added sociopath to the equation it made you contradict your beliefs

love pertaining to Christians is not choice....it's a command

even a robot can be programmed to make a choice...Christians are programmed not to have a choice pertaining to commands, they are required to carry out that command without question

this is why debates always run into the "Free Will" issue

some Christians are under the delusion that they do not have to follow "all" the commands handed down by Jesus, that it's a choice

to be a Christian means that you have given your mind body and soul over to Jesus so that he can use them for his glory which means you have given up any fantasy of having "Free Will" and/or choice

this is why all Christians have no choice but to believe in "Love at first sight"


msharmony's photo
Sun 10/07/12 06:37 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/07/12 06:37 AM




this thread was not about showing love


the goal was to show a balance, a complete picture


the op uses someone whose words people hold up in some type of reverence

the truth is, he can be as wrong and hateful as anyone else, even about christians, and christians can still love HIM even if he doesnt like them because they are as imperfect as he,,,




MsHarmony...I'm not disputing the fact that christians just like anyone else can claim to love who they choose,all I'm pointing is loving someone because you were commanded or requested to do so is the type of love best suited for robots or sociopaths




only true if that is the ONLY reason,,,,

for instance, a robot can be programmed to do a math problem because it was commanded to

whereas I can likewise CHOOSE to do a math problem, after having the option to do so



,,,the latter is choice, the former is not,, even though they are the same action

love is likewise a choice


see... once I added sociopath to the equation it made you contradict your beliefs

love pertaining to Christians is not choice....it's a command

even a robot can be programmed to make a choice...Christians are programmed not to have a choice pertaining to commands, they are required to carry out that command without question

this is why debates always run into the "Free Will" issue

some Christians are under the delusion that they do not have to follow "all" the commands handed down by Jesus, that it's a choice

to be a Christian means that you have given your mind body and soul over to Jesus so that he can use them for his glory which means you have given up any fantasy of having "Free Will" and/or choice

this is why all Christians have no choice but to believe in "Love at first sight"






the logic is faulty

it is still a choice to be a 'christian'

just like it is a choice to be a doctor or a lawyer

and hopefully doctors dont help people JUST because it is required (commanded) in their job description, but also because they chose that path to do so

likewise, my love isnt existent JUST Because I was commanded to love, it is there because I choose the path,,,

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Sun 10/07/12 06:37 AM









so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression







Christianity breeds hypocrisy...


Man breeds hypocrisy.

There is no one greater then another, besides God of course. But speaking of the people that walk this Earth in the flesh. Not one of us is greater then another, not a Christian, not a Catholic, not anyone. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

And there is no hypocrisy in what we're taught. What is wrong for you is wrong for me as well. Unless you please wish to elaborate on your comment.


John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Sure, I'll elaborate...In order to be a true christian, you must sacrifice your ability to reason by holding faith above question...This fact creates a breeding ground for hypocrisy ...


Again, where is the hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is telling someone not to do something and turning around and doing it. Or something of that nature, so again I ask. Where is the hypocrisy?


One example of hypocrisy (for me) is exactly what Funches pointed out to Harmony a couple of posts back when he called her out for quoting hate speak while claiming to be a christian....


hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.



pointing out hate speak is not an example of hypocrisy

pointing out hate speak while speaking hatefully would be hypocrisy

I think the term is being misunderstood and misused,,,


I told the truth of something that happened, there is nothing hypocritical in that


The hypocrisy (for me) is not in questioning the validity of the statement....The hypocrisy (for me) lies within the fact that you are repeating hate speak, carrying it further, dispensing it...I don't think a true christian would do that....


a true christian never repeats truths about what has been said or done?

I guess 'true' christians should not be reading the bible then,,,,

and carrying things 'further' is the whole dynamic of a forum with topics,,,,







True christians, as I understand the meaning, do not "ever" knowingly speak badly toward or about others ...

The dynamic of the forums is not what is being discussed...

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Sun 10/07/12 06:54 AM

the logic is faulty

it is still a choice to be a 'christian'

just like it is a choice to be a doctor or a lawyer

and hopefully doctors dont help people JUST because it is required (commanded) in their job description, but also because they chose that path to do so

likewise, my love isnt existent JUST Because I was commanded to love, it is there because I choose the path,,,


right...you like anyone else have a choice to be a Christian, but once you make that choice to become a Christian you have enter into a covenant with Jesus to follow all his commands without question

if you choose not to follow all his commands....to then call yourself a Christian is hypocrisy

as pertaining to your analogy of a Doctor or Lawyer they too have also have made a vow to their profession and if they violate that vow can lose their medical license or be DisBarred and even go to jail

what the point of you becoming a Christian if you are not going to obey "all" the commands of Jesus without question

it turns Christianity into a fad, a hobby, an ice breaker at a party




Hikerjohn's photo
Sun 10/07/12 07:37 AM
Edited by Hikerjohn on Sun 10/07/12 07:40 AM


the logic is faulty

it is still a choice to be a 'christian'

just like it is a choice to be a doctor or a lawyer

and hopefully doctors dont help people JUST because it is required (commanded) in their job description, but also because they chose that path to do so

likewise, my love isnt existent JUST Because I was commanded to love, it is there because I choose the path,,,


right...you like anyone else have a choice to be a Christian, but once you make that choice to become a Christian you have enter into a covenant with Jesus to follow all his commands without question

if you choose not to follow all his commands....to then call yourself a Christian is hypocrisy

as pertaining to your analogy of a Doctor or Lawyer they too have also have made a vow to their profession and if they violate that vow can lose their medical license or be DisBarred and even go to jail

what the point of you becoming a Christian if you are not going to obey "all" the commands of Jesus without question

it turns Christianity into a fad, a hobby, an ice breaker at a party






Good morning Funches.

How you doing on Galatians? It again answers the conflict that you bring up.

The point is we will NEVER obey all the commands of the Lord. That is the point of Christ and need of what he did.

If we could obey all the commandments of the Lord, there would be no reason for Christ to come. God send him because we needed him. What was the need? That in all our efforts, we are going to fall short of Gods glory. Does it matter in which manor we fall short? No. And everyone is in the same boat making me no better than you.

When we accept that we need help, that we wont fix this on our own and we accept the Lords atonement for our mistakes and promise of full acceptance. This is the beginning of peace in our lives.

God didn't build robots. He wants us to WANT to obey his commandments. Not to perform them out of requirement.

I see it this way. When you get a dog, could you imagine what kind of energy it would take for a dog to express the love he does for you out of requirement instead of desire? But out of desire, he leaps up and cannot wait for you to open the door at the end of the day. He will follow you everywhere waiting and wanting just a chance a touch or appreciation. He is trainable and loyal out of desire. If the dog had a selfish bone in his body, he would stop existing as a dog. He would be a cat.

That is what happens when we learn to love the Lord. You cannot wait to be in the presents of the Lord. We build a desire to do His will because it pleases Him. Our selfishness decreases over time.

You keep referring to the requirement of obedience to the laws of Christ and if we don't, you say we are hypocrites. Guess what. Then we are all hypocrites. Except I am not claiming to be able to obey all the commandments of Christ. Quite the opposite. I cannot. And yet Christ still died for me. And for that, I am thankful and desire his joy too. I am more than happy to attempt to obey all his commandments. And I get better at it every day. And He has removed all guilt and shame for the times I still fall short. Which is daily.

Peace to you today Funches.




msharmony's photo
Sun 10/07/12 07:49 AM










so "Christians like yourself concept of forgiveness is to quote something hateful said by Gandhi?,

in doing so you're actually giving creed to Gandhi's point as to why he wouldn't like Christians ...

and that is what I meant about the concept of showing the Love, it's "supposedly suppose" to give the impression or perhaps the delusion that it's something good but it leans more toward hate in the form of passive aggression







Christianity breeds hypocrisy...


Man breeds hypocrisy.

There is no one greater then another, besides God of course. But speaking of the people that walk this Earth in the flesh. Not one of us is greater then another, not a Christian, not a Catholic, not anyone. We are all sinners and all fall short of the glory of God.

And there is no hypocrisy in what we're taught. What is wrong for you is wrong for me as well. Unless you please wish to elaborate on your comment.


John 15:13
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is this not true? There is only one enemy, that is Satan. So with that, everyone that walks this Earth is a "friend".


Sure, I'll elaborate...In order to be a true christian, you must sacrifice your ability to reason by holding faith above question...This fact creates a breeding ground for hypocrisy ...


Again, where is the hypocrisy? Hypocrisy is telling someone not to do something and turning around and doing it. Or something of that nature, so again I ask. Where is the hypocrisy?


One example of hypocrisy (for me) is exactly what Funches pointed out to Harmony a couple of posts back when he called her out for quoting hate speak while claiming to be a christian....


hy·poc·ri·sy/hiˈpäkrisē/
Noun:
The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.



pointing out hate speak is not an example of hypocrisy

pointing out hate speak while speaking hatefully would be hypocrisy

I think the term is being misunderstood and misused,,,


I told the truth of something that happened, there is nothing hypocritical in that


The hypocrisy (for me) is not in questioning the validity of the statement....The hypocrisy (for me) lies within the fact that you are repeating hate speak, carrying it further, dispensing it...I don't think a true christian would do that....


a true christian never repeats truths about what has been said or done?

I guess 'true' christians should not be reading the bible then,,,,

and carrying things 'further' is the whole dynamic of a forum with topics,,,,







True christians, as I understand the meaning, do not "ever" knowingly speak badly toward or about others ...

The dynamic of the forums is not what is being discussed...



I did not realize quoting was speaking badly of someone,,,



msharmony's photo
Sun 10/07/12 07:50 AM


the logic is faulty

it is still a choice to be a 'christian'

just like it is a choice to be a doctor or a lawyer

and hopefully doctors dont help people JUST because it is required (commanded) in their job description, but also because they chose that path to do so

likewise, my love isnt existent JUST Because I was commanded to love, it is there because I choose the path,,,


right...you like anyone else have a choice to be a Christian, but once you make that choice to become a Christian you have enter into a covenant with Jesus to follow all his commands without question

if you choose not to follow all his commands....to then call yourself a Christian is hypocrisy

as pertaining to your analogy of a Doctor or Lawyer they too have also have made a vow to their profession and if they violate that vow can lose their medical license or be DisBarred and even go to jail

what the point of you becoming a Christian if you are not going to obey "all" the commands of Jesus without question

it turns Christianity into a fad, a hobby, an ice breaker at a party






no more point than becoming a doctor and not tending to peoples medical needs

but also not relevant to being a 'robot'

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 10/07/12 08:06 AM


the logic is faulty

it is still a choice to be a 'christian'

just like it is a choice to be a doctor or a lawyer

and hopefully doctors dont help people JUST because it is required (commanded) in their job description, but also because they chose that path to do so

likewise, my love isnt existent JUST Because I was commanded to love, it is there because I choose the path,,,


right...you like anyone else have a choice to be a Christian, but once you make that choice to become a Christian you have enter into a covenant with Jesus to follow all his commands without question

if you choose not to follow all his commands....to then call yourself a Christian is hypocrisy

as pertaining to your analogy of a Doctor or Lawyer they too have also have made a vow to their profession and if they violate that vow can lose their medical license or be DisBarred and even go to jail

what the point of you becoming a Christian if you are not going to obey "all" the commands of Jesus without question

it turns Christianity into a fad, a hobby, an ice breaker at a party






You are incorrect funches. We don't obey because we are a "Christian". We are called a "Christian" because we obey. One does not "become a Christian" Then obey, again we are called a "Christian" because we do obey and have faith in Jesus Christ.