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Topic: 2nd Ammendment, NRA and Obama-care are one
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/13 12:33 PM
"the right to bear arms" with the forefathers began with a flintlock and cannons and now today it's a 30 round magazine and nuclear warheads as technology advances and guns evolve, the right to bear arms will eventually evolve into arms that not everyone will have the right to bear or can be entrusted with a gun will evolve beyond using "standard issue bullets" and be able to take out an entire city block, this much power and the damage it could cause is why it's illegal now to have dynamite or the such without a license or certification and restrictions and the same will happen to gun owners or the right to bear arms the best way to deal with this problem now and keep the 2ND amendment intact is to make it a mental health issue which obama-care is attempting by providing free mental health care and by the NRA which in it's opening statement after the sandy hook incident has agreed to help fund mental health care for those with mental illness or issues also by invoking laws and the mentality that psychiatrists and lawyers and gun owners be held responsible for those that have made threats or are a threat to the public in general this is why by making it a mental health issue you can control who have guns, I mean let's face it...do you know anyone that's don't have mental illnesses or issues in some shape form or fashion by placing restriction on gun owners today will limit the right to bear arms and the technology that define arms to only "standard issue bullets" and nothing beyond that... by making it a mental health issue the 2ND amendment will still be a "right" but in reality it will be used to take away your rights to not actually have a right to any advance technology or weaponry without a license and/or certification and restrictions ...and how much are you willing to bet that will entail a mental health evaluation .. but anyway....all that have to be done is limit the right to bear arms to "standard issue bullets"....and the right to bear them will become more of a novelty or obsolete as technology advances beyond guns or the need for them making it into a mental health issue will evolve the 2ND admendment from a "right" to bear arms into a "privilege" to bear them for an elite few

lilott Joined Thu 10/12/06 Posts: 2295	Mon 01/21/13 12:48 PM
They nee3d to go after the gun pushers too.

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Mon 01/21/13 12:48 PM
Who knows what the next president will do. If he/she is like baby Bush they will let all this expire or they may with the help of congress and the senate fortify our right to defend ourselves as required by the bill of rights.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 01/21/13 01:45 PM
"the right to bear arms" with the forefathers began with a flintlock and cannons and now today it's a 30 round magazine and nuclear warheads as technology advances and guns evolve, the right to bear arms will eventually evolve into arms that not everyone will have the right to bear or can be entrusted with a gun will evolve beyond using "standard issue bullets" and be able to take out an entire city block, this much power and the damage it could cause is why it's illegal now to have dynamite or the such without a license or certification and restrictions and the same will happen to gun owners or the right to bear arms the best way to deal with this problem now and keep the 2ND amendment intact is to make it a mental health issue which obama-care is attempting by providing free mental health care and by the NRA which in it's opening statement after the sandy hook incident has agreed to help fund mental health care for those with mental illness or issues also by invoking laws and the mentality that psychiatrists and lawyers and gun owners be held responsible for those that have made threats or are a threat to the public in general this is why by making it a mental health issue you can control who have guns, I mean let's face it...do you know anyone that's don't have mental illnesses or issues in some shape form or fashion by placing restriction on gun owners today will limit the right to bear arms and the technology that define arms to only "standard issue bullets" and nothing beyond that... by making it a mental health issue the 2ND amendment will still be a "right" but in reality it will be used to take away your rights to not actually have a right to any advance technology or weaponry without a license and/or certification and restrictions ...and how much are you willing to bet that will entail a mental health evaluation .. but anyway....all that have to be done is limit the right to bear arms to "standard issue bullets"....and the right to bear them will become more of a novelty or obsolete as technology advances beyond guns or the need for them making it into a mental health issue will evolve the 2ND admendment from a "right" to bear arms into a "privilege" to bear them for an elite few But you trust your Government with Guns,do you?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/13 02:44 PM
They nee3d to go after the gun pushers too. that's why they are pushing for gun registration or to report when ones gun is stolen or missing so guns can be tracked but it's ready not about the 2ND amendment or guns it's more about keeping ahead of technology... because soon with a 3D printer one will be able to print out a gun

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/13 02:48 PM
Who knows what the next president will do. If he/she is like baby Bush they will let all this expire or they may with the help of congress and the senate fortify our right to defend ourselves as required by the bill of rights. the founding fathers didn't have a concept that one day people would own plasma or pulse laser rifles that could possible take out all of the minute men with one shot

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 01/21/13 02:50 PM
"the right to bear arms" with the forefathers began with a flintlock and cannons and now today it's a 30 round magazine and nuclear warheads as technology advances and guns evolve, the right to bear arms will eventually evolve into arms that not everyone will have the right to bear or can be entrusted with a gun will evolve beyond using "standard issue bullets" and be able to take out an entire city block, this much power and the damage it could cause is why it's illegal now to have dynamite or the such without a license or certification and restrictions and the same will happen to gun owners or the right to bear arms the best way to deal with this problem now and keep the 2ND amendment intact is to make it a mental health issue which obama-care is attempting by providing free mental health care and by the NRA which in it's opening statement after the sandy hook incident has agreed to help fund mental health care for those with mental illness or issues also by invoking laws and the mentality that psychiatrists and lawyers and gun owners be held responsible for those that have made threats or are a threat to the public in general this is why by making it a mental health issue you can control who have guns, I mean let's face it...do you know anyone that's don't have mental illnesses or issues in some shape form or fashion by placing restriction on gun owners today will limit the right to bear arms and the technology that define arms to only "standard issue bullets" and nothing beyond that... by making it a mental health issue the 2ND amendment will still be a "right" but in reality it will be used to take away your rights to not actually have a right to any advance technology or weaponry without a license and/or certification and restrictions ...and how much are you willing to bet that will entail a mental health evaluation .. but anyway....all that have to be done is limit the right to bear arms to "standard issue bullets"....and the right to bear them will become more of a novelty or obsolete as technology advances beyond guns or the need for them making it into a mental health issue will evolve the 2ND admendment from a "right" to bear arms into a "privilege" to bear them for an elite few But you trust your Government with Guns,do you? well... you trust them with nuclear weapons ..

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/13 07:45 AM
and speaking of nuclear weapons, do the 2ND amendment "the right to bear arms" means everyone can have a nuclear weapon or a tank or a drone with heat seeking missles, do you really want your next door neighbor to have these, or would you want restrictions in place that limit which arms an individual can bear ...and that's what Obama is trying to do

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 01/22/13 08:47 AM
oBamby is a hypocrite. He wants to limit the fire power of individuals yet, he makes it his right to kill innocent men, women and children with his drone video game.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/13 09:01 AM
would you like everyone to have one of those Obama Drones that you claim kill women and children or do you perfer restrictions on that type of fire power? so how much fire power would you like?

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 01/22/13 09:39 AM
would you like everyone to have one of those Obama Drones that you claim kill women and children or do you perfer restrictions on that type of fire power? so how much fire power would you like? If an irresponsible Barry can have 'em and kill innocents? Hell, why not everyone?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/13 09:50 AM Edited by funches on Tue 01/22/13 09:51 AM
would you like everyone to have one of those Obama Drones that you claim kill women and children or do you perfer restrictions on that type of fire power? so how much fire power would you like? If an irresponsible Barry can have 'em and kill innocents? Hell, why not everyone? ok so far you believe that the 2ND amendment gives you and your neighbors and any other "irresponsible" person the right to have Drones.. so what other fire power do you believe that you and your neighbors and other irresponsible people should have?...what about nukes?

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 01/22/13 09:58 AM
This thread makes about as much sense as carrying a pocket full of rocks. All responsible citizens don't go around killing innocent folks like yer messiah. Is he not a mass murderer?

RoamingOrator Joined Fri 07/20/07 Posts: 4943	Tue 01/22/13 10:01 AM
If the cost of a city block, or even an entire city, is the price of liberty, then it is a price I would be willing to pay. The politics of fear should not be a driving force behind the suspension of liberty. As Ben Franklin once said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty." I for one realize that the cost of freedom is paid with the price of blood. For a society to remain free this price must be paid on a regular basis. We Americans have become to think that this price is paid on foriegn soil, but this is not so. When the price is paid abroad, it is our enemy partisans that are giving the sacrifice, not our own soldiers. The price of American freedom is paid here, at home. It is a price paid by those who die from gun violence. It is paid by those who die in car crashes. It is paid by those who die from stab wounds in a park. Our freedoms are not free. Unless you desire a state where every soul is monitored, where you are low-jacked with a bio-chip so your every movement can be traced, then the freedoms you don't agree with must also be allowed. The truth is we learned nothing from 9/11. We panicked. We, through our arrogance, thought that this could not happen here, though terrorism had occurred in Europe many times. As a result, we made our state look more like those whom we claim to be oppressive. We continue to do so with the false claims that "this shouldn't happen here." As long as we have a free society, it can and it will. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. Man is still just an animal like any other, and violent aggression is part of animal nature. We have just perfected it like no other animal.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/13 10:13 AM
This thread makes about as much sense as carrying a pocket full of rocks. or perhaps a head full of rocks, which is why you can't answer the question as if you believe that the 2ND amendment gives you and your neighbors or any other "irresponsible" person the right to have nukes ...that question seem to have popped you back into reality All responsible citizens don't go around killing innocent folks like yer messiah. my Messiah is greasy food and al-co-hol the beer god, and he only kills when people drink him Is he not a mass murderer? hell yes he's a mass murderer ....that's why restrictions were place on al-co-hol the beer god, for example..you can't drink the blood of alcohol the beer god and drive but anyway...are you "willing2"(no pun intended) answer the question? .... THE QUESTION: do you believe that the 2ND amendment gives you and your neighbor and any other "irresponsible" person the right to bear nukes?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 01/22/13 10:23 AM
If the cost of a city block, or even an entire city, is the price of liberty, then it is a price I would be willing to pay. The politics of fear should not be a driving force behind the suspension of liberty. As Ben Franklin once said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty." I for one realize that the cost of freedom is paid with the price of blood. For a society to remain free this price must be paid on a regular basis. We Americans have become to think that this price is paid on foriegn soil, but this is not so. When the price is paid abroad, it is our enemy partisans that are giving the sacrifice, not our own soldiers. The price of American freedom is paid here, at home. It is a price paid by those who die from gun violence. It is paid by those who die in car crashes. It is paid by those who die from stab wounds in a park. Our freedoms are not free. Unless you desire a state where every soul is monitored, where you are low-jacked with a bio-chip so your every movement can be traced, then the freedoms you don't agree with must also be allowed. The truth is we learned nothing from 9/11. We panicked. We, through our arrogance, thought that this could not happen here, though terrorism had occurred in Europe many times. As a result, we made our state look more like those whom we claim to be oppressive. We continue to do so with the false claims that "this shouldn't happen here." As long as we have a free society, it can and it will. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. Man is still just an animal like any other, and violent aggression is part of animal nature. We have just perfected it like no other animal. if you actually had Freedom ...there would be no need for a Constitution or Toll Roads ....that society will become a state that everyone is monitored has already become a reality...you don't need a microchip in the skin for that to happen...you only need a cellphone or a tattoo etc.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 01/25/13 10:59 AM
I guess the best way to explain this is to go down the list of weapons... from nukes to BB guns ok so far we have one person that claim that in order to maintain liberty everyone should have access to weaponry that can take out an entire city block and another person claim that everyone including the "irresponsible" should have access to a Predator Drone ok let's see how the general public having access to those types of weapons "without any restrictions" would have possibly played in the sandy hook incident if the guy had access to a weapon that could take out an entire city block...then he wouldn't have to walk to the school, he only had to be about a block away ...not much point in having arms guards ..or doors now if that same guy had access to a Predator Drone...then he could have blowed up the entire school without even having to leave his home but to keep the 2ND amendment intact in which everyone including the irresponsible can have access to a Predator Drone...you could equip the neigborhood with defenses at or around the school with the capacity to shoot down a missle fired by a predator drone or you could place restrictions on which type of weaponry the general public can have access to or place restrictions on "who" can have access, sounds like something that Obama and THe NRA is trying to do under the category of "Mental Health" for example...do you think that if someone steals your predator drone that you should report it, or what about your children, should they have access to your predator drone...should domestic abusers have predator drones or those with mental illiness

Traumer Joined Sun 01/06/13 Posts: 723	Fri 01/25/13 10:20 PM
For years I have advocated that the Second Amendment be mandatory in that everyone regardless of Race, colour, creed or mental condition be required to have guns. I have also advocated that the general population have access to equal weapons of the armed forces, just in case they are told to act against their own people by order of the govt. Let's keep the 'playing field'(aka 'the killing fields') level.It's all a matter of trust and if people cannot trust their government, why trust their military...never mind the police.

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Sat 01/26/13 06:06 AM
They nee3d to go after the gun pushers too. what is a gun pusher? do they hang out on street corners like hookers and drug dealers??? Been in the business for decades and i have never met one, or mabe i am one. hmmm.

rambill79 Joined Thu 09/14/06 Posts: 5780	Sat 01/26/13 06:08 AM
This thread makes about as much sense as carrying a pocket full of rocks. or perhaps a head full of rocks, which is why you can't answer the question as if you believe that the 2ND amendment gives you and your neighbors or any other "irresponsible" person the right to have nukes ...that question seem to have popped you back into reality All responsible citizens don't go around killing innocent folks like yer messiah. my Messiah is greasy food and al-co-hol the beer god, and he only kills when people drink him Is he not a mass murderer? nukes, with rare exceptions are not Guns. hell yes he's a mass murderer ....that's why restrictions were place on al-co-hol the beer god, for example..you can't drink the blood of alcohol the beer god and drive but anyway...are you "willing2"(no pun intended) answer the question? .... THE QUESTION: do you believe that the 2ND amendment gives you and your neighbor and any other "irresponsible" person the right to bear nukes?