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it's amazing how you guys keep making excuses and denying your 2nd amendment right to bear nukes.....is this NRA brainwashing? to help only sell their products of guns and ammo but anyway "RoamingOrator"... as for you claiming that your brother can handle nukes....don't your brother have you for a brother, and you already promised that you would set off a nuke if you ever got hold of one ... so..er..do you ever visit your brother? Well, like I said, my brother is responsible enough to handle a nuke, which means he's responsible enough to know where to hide it from me. Duh! (Oh, and you can just call me "RO," I don't mind) And I'd also argue that a nuke isn't a weapon. Oh, it can be used to cause death and mass destruction, but it isn't a weapon, because in and of itself, it cannot be projected to kill others. You can't throw a nuke, its too heavy. You can't shoot a nuke, it doesn't have a propellant. You can't sling one, once again too big. The weapon part of a nuke is the delivery system. Whether it is a missile or plane, it is what delivers the payload that should be legal to own. I can go buy a plane anywhere, and I've already made the statement that I think I should be allowed to have missiles. The delivery system is what makes a weapon. The act of thrusting is what makes a spear a weapon. The act of firing is what makes a bow a weapon. The act of hurling is what makes a stone a weapon. Munitions, are not covered by the Second Amendment, just the arms. I can reload my own shells, make my own black powder - Grandpa taught me. The Framers did the same or at least could. Don't forget, the cartridge wasn't invented yet, neither the charge, so technically munitions and ammo are not protected by the Second Amendment, they didn't think of it, because these were home-made items. Which means that nukes are not covered by my rights, much to the NRA's dismay (and note they don't mention ammo much, except when dealing with the size of a clip). So yes, nukes can be regulated. We can do it to other sovereign nations, so to do it to the people is no stretch. RoamingOrator....the nuke would be in your Brother's home...how could he hide it...all you need is a geiger counter to find it ...or find the places in his home that has a radiation sign or a skull and crossbones on it ..if he didn't have those he would be irresponsible apparently your brother isn't responsible with a nuke if he allowed you into his home knowing that you would set it off given the chance .... also trying to argue that nukes are not a weapon only shows how you are in denial...try to sell that argument to those on Hiroshima and Nagasakia that nukes aren't a weapon .... also try to sell that argument to the American people ....wow I can't believe you are even using such an argument...desperation perhaps? |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? |
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NICE! Now I am Rambo. NO. I am a Wolverine! Misunderstood, a survivor, capable of killing an animal over 340 TIMES its own size, and willing to take on Bears. Now between you and me if we both had a pistol who has a real advantage over the other guy? In a face off the guy who trained with his gun has the advantage. But man for man, not counting anything else? For as big as you are you would have no advantage over me at all. We could kill each other very easily. Now, do not compare Obama to a Samurai at all! Samurai had to fight for a living. Obama is a limp wristed party planner who's idea of a hard day at work is gauged by how much *** he had to kiss! If he and Vladamir Putin got into a fight Obama would be done in under 10 seconds, world leader for world leader. Obama also has NO honor and no real code of ethics save one, cram HIS idealistic agenda down our throats. He is a male Marie Antoinette living in utter denial of how big a mistake he has made and the disaster he is about to unleash on us all! Now comparing civilian to military firepower, Here is a though, how many of those soldiers are Americans? Really. Ask a soldier some time if they were ordered to go door to door to confiscate weapons what they would do. It is the UN soldiers I would be more afraid of. Nut then again what would keep me from ambushing a few blue helmets and relieving them of their hardware and dignity? WOLVERINES! You see the problem is where can we run when our homes are being destroyed? There is no where to run! If you don't find a point where you decide to stand your ground you will always be running. The gun control issue is all about the second amendment and also about our rights to protect ourselves. Gun Control is all about taking them away gradually! One restriction leads to another then to another in a slippery slope that is lubricated by momentum! Suddenly our constitution is burned and we are back to the Feudal days! We have lost sight of the ideals of PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY! And you keep trying to digress others to the subject of nuclear weapons. Dude, get over it. The pollution alone is deterrent enough. if you are so scared about nukes lets go pound N Korea once and for all! Lets get that problem done with. Then go to Iran and kick their sorry ***** back into the Straights of Hormuz so they can take a bath for a change! You put FAR too much faith in all the wrong people my friend! Likewise you are trying to use warped space logic to bend our arguments and make them sound confrontational. How many times has Obama said one thing and gone complete 180 degrees on us? Lets see, TARP II, the deficit and spending, and about his Health care? Did it fix ANYTHING? Did I just hear a resounding NO from the crowd? I THINK I DID! ~ that is a tilde & that is an Ampersand AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION! I CAN MAKE A LETHAL WEAPON OUT OF A MICROWAVE OVEN FOR REAL! DO I want to do that? Hell no. I need it as a microwave over. I would rather have warm food than a small underpowered beam weapon that makes people swell up like balloons and cooks their insides! Where is my Particle beam cannon in the 40 Megawatt range? How about my terminator robot? Am I allowed one of those? Come on. Want to see what outclassed police look like?  Red neck Ingenuity! Oddly the only man who dies in this was the driver of the killdozer! This guy would have been more than a match for the LAPD! Besides, HOW ABOUT MESSING WITH BIO WEAPONS? Why should private companies have the right to make ways of killing us all more efficient than a nuke? You live in far too much fear my friend! I don't fear the military as much as I fear these career politicians playing god from their seat of authority! There will always be dumbshytes among us and we need to weed them out. It is people like Obama who i am scared of especially when they operate purely on their PERSONAL BELIEF SYSTEM! OBAMACARE IS A FAIL! Obama has no sense of moderation nor is he doing ANYTHING about keeping congress focused on their spending habits. Is America in the Black at least in terms of operating? 1 trillion in the red STILL just for this year's budget alone? And while we need him where is he? Kissing ***, going to Hawaii, and taking all kinds of fun trips telling the world how bad we are and we apologize for being such bad people! He should be up congress's *** on a daily basis about our problems. Nope, he can focus more on trying to use executive orders to screw us some more. And on top of that I DOUBT HIGHLY he was born in America! 2 years to produce his birth records? It only took me two weeks to get mine! So now what? I am the one needing a tinfoil hat here? My construction hard had it aluminum but not tinfoil, is that good enough? I am not giving my trust up to anyone with as many skeletons hidden in their closet as Obama! Nukes... Yeah, if you had no idea how to make one you would kill yourself. If you did you would know just how much of a whore it is just to contain the radioactivity let alone handling the fissile materials! And then the effects radiation has on electronics. Hope your bomb don't decide to set itself off! Personally without the lab or containment bunker let alone the deployment site and deployment vehicle I would not want to mess with one. If anything I would MUCH rather figure out how to create a dielectric short between the Ionosphere and the ground in a way I can target any place on earth and dump the biggest lightning bolts on cities people have ever seen. I am talking, "Pay me 10,000 long tons of gold and 10,000 long tons of platinum or watch New York City get erased from the map." Oh to be able to go Scorpio on the UN! Picking on America and being able to do so with impunity would be a sign to the rest of the world they have NO CHANCE! I think zapping a bunch of refineries and power stations causing a HUGE disaster and then informing someone of my demands would very much have their attention. Especially if I could likewise take out the satellite advantage they have with the same system! I am pretty sure the scale of what I have in mind would cause EMP far greater than a whole bunch of Nukes going off! NICOLAI TESLA THEORIZED ABOUT SUCH A WEAPON AND EVEN HAD EXPERIMENTS TO PROVE ITS VALIDITY! I can imagine potential threats within the scope of our technology that would make you get fear goose bumps. Hell, how many doomsday nutjobs out there have tried to unleash biodeath on us already? More than our government will admit to! Anthrax is the particular favorite. But Ebola, now we are talking! In an ideal world we all would just get alone. Not the case! So shall we dance on extremes again? AndyBgood...now you're making excuses why people shouldn't have the right to bear nukes because they might be dangerous ...that appears to be the same argument Gun control advocates are making about guns you seem to agree with them more than you are willing to admit ...for instance...you claim that only those with "legitimate" carry conceal gun card should be able to take guns into schools, courthouses etc... I don't remember anything in the 2nd amendment about citizens needing a gun conceal carry card to bear arms ...so can you explain why someone would need one ..and can you explain this without sounding like Obama? For one just the toxicity of Radioactive substances in the first place! WE THE PEOPLE DO BEAR NUKES but under a strict structure of authority and rules we adhere to tightly. sounds like something Obama would say It takes a lot to be allowed to hold the keys to Armageddon! Next. sounds like something Obama would say What do you do with a nuke once you build it? We do not store active weapons. Active weapons are set on delivery systems just in case they get the order. So what if I have 25 kilotons of force in my basement aye? That is an over reactive extreme to the right to bear arms. Now bazookas, rpgs and flamethrowers? A little over the top but frankly in the right hands they are safe. In the wrong hands they are not. Machine guns, They are FUN AS HELL TO SHOOT! Behind a .50 BMG I feel like GOD! Never got to light off a BIG BIG gun yet. Did some rocketry as well including making some 'eh, well, best I not talk about it style rockets just to see if I could do it. Red match heads! That is all I will say. And they go up like hells bells! One of those hybrid motors made my Estes rocket into a magic act. Now you see it, now you don't. All I could do was follow the white line into the sky where I could see the streamer coming down BARELY! I was one of those science geeks in high school. One of the scary ones! sounds like something an asylum escapee might say But again just becasue I wield such power do I have a right to use it to hold sway? sounds like something Obama would say I do not see the second amendment entitling anyone to use capital firepower in the name of gain. But in the name of defending our homes? sounds like something the USSR would say I actually feel the restrictions we have are stupid and don't address the real problems. Likewise we can't seem to get the fact in our heads there will always be Bad Seeds! sounds like something the NRA would say I feel if you want a nuke knock yourself out. I just hope you know how to keep a from grip on the tail of that tiger! and that's why Obama is trying to place in laws and restriction on guns ..to keep a grip on that tiger ... AndyBgood..now do you see how much you have in common with the philosophy of Obama 100% fallacious comparisons! Wow, I did not think I would have seen that coming. I think like Obama, the USSR and the NRA? I MUST BE ONE COMPLETELY CONFUSED FUCQING LIBERAL! ROTFL my friend... ROTFL! Obama took the tiger by the tail when he gave Wall Street the bail out WE should have gotten. He is afraid of being the guy in the middle should a full blown rebellion break out thanks to him. Too bad he took a job being a puppet. he should be scared. He is sure not serving MY interests. He isn't serving America! We all know he sold out. Its supposedly the American way. So is living in fear of guns! Geez...  if you're not like Obama..then explain why you believe that only those with "legitmate" conceal carry gun cards should be the only ones allowed to carry guns into schools courtrooms public events etc...because that sure sound like gun control...perhaps that's why you keep foregetting to answer that question remember explain it without sounding like Obama |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage I guess that depends on the law being issued... So how would these new laws "protect society from the irresponsible"? |
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NICE! Now I am Rambo. NO. I am a Wolverine! Misunderstood, a survivor, capable of killing an animal over 340 TIMES its own size, and willing to take on Bears. Now between you and me if we both had a pistol who has a real advantage over the other guy? In a face off the guy who trained with his gun has the advantage. But man for man, not counting anything else? For as big as you are you would have no advantage over me at all. We could kill each other very easily. Now, do not compare Obama to a Samurai at all! Samurai had to fight for a living. Obama is a limp wristed party planner who's idea of a hard day at work is gauged by how much *** he had to kiss! If he and Vladamir Putin got into a fight Obama would be done in under 10 seconds, world leader for world leader. Obama also has NO honor and no real code of ethics save one, cram HIS idealistic agenda down our throats. He is a male Marie Antoinette living in utter denial of how big a mistake he has made and the disaster he is about to unleash on us all! Now comparing civilian to military firepower, Here is a though, how many of those soldiers are Americans? Really. Ask a soldier some time if they were ordered to go door to door to confiscate weapons what they would do. It is the UN soldiers I would be more afraid of. Nut then again what would keep me from ambushing a few blue helmets and relieving them of their hardware and dignity? WOLVERINES! You see the problem is where can we run when our homes are being destroyed? There is no where to run! If you don't find a point where you decide to stand your ground you will always be running. The gun control issue is all about the second amendment and also about our rights to protect ourselves. Gun Control is all about taking them away gradually! One restriction leads to another then to another in a slippery slope that is lubricated by momentum! Suddenly our constitution is burned and we are back to the Feudal days! We have lost sight of the ideals of PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY! And you keep trying to digress others to the subject of nuclear weapons. Dude, get over it. The pollution alone is deterrent enough. if you are so scared about nukes lets go pound N Korea once and for all! Lets get that problem done with. Then go to Iran and kick their sorry ***** back into the Straights of Hormuz so they can take a bath for a change! You put FAR too much faith in all the wrong people my friend! Likewise you are trying to use warped space logic to bend our arguments and make them sound confrontational. How many times has Obama said one thing and gone complete 180 degrees on us? Lets see, TARP II, the deficit and spending, and about his Health care? Did it fix ANYTHING? Did I just hear a resounding NO from the crowd? I THINK I DID! ~ that is a tilde & that is an Ampersand AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CONVERSATION! I CAN MAKE A LETHAL WEAPON OUT OF A MICROWAVE OVEN FOR REAL! DO I want to do that? Hell no. I need it as a microwave over. I would rather have warm food than a small underpowered beam weapon that makes people swell up like balloons and cooks their insides! Where is my Particle beam cannon in the 40 Megawatt range? How about my terminator robot? Am I allowed one of those? Come on. Want to see what outclassed police look like? Red neck Ingenuity! Oddly the only man who dies in this was the driver of the killdozer! This guy would have been more than a match for the LAPD! Besides, HOW ABOUT MESSING WITH BIO WEAPONS? Why should private companies have the right to make ways of killing us all more efficient than a nuke? You live in far too much fear my friend! I don't fear the military as much as I fear these career politicians playing god from their seat of authority! There will always be dumbshytes among us and we need to weed them out. It is people like Obama who i am scared of especially when they operate purely on their PERSONAL BELIEF SYSTEM! OBAMACARE IS A FAIL! Obama has no sense of moderation nor is he doing ANYTHING about keeping congress focused on their spending habits. Is America in the Black at least in terms of operating? 1 trillion in the red STILL just for this year's budget alone? And while we need him where is he? Kissing ***, going to Hawaii, and taking all kinds of fun trips telling the world how bad we are and we apologize for being such bad people! He should be up congress's *** on a daily basis about our problems. Nope, he can focus more on trying to use executive orders to screw us some more. And on top of that I DOUBT HIGHLY he was born in America! 2 years to produce his birth records? It only took me two weeks to get mine! So now what? I am the one needing a tinfoil hat here? My construction hard had it aluminum but not tinfoil, is that good enough? I am not giving my trust up to anyone with as many skeletons hidden in their closet as Obama! Nukes... Yeah, if you had no idea how to make one you would kill yourself. If you did you would know just how much of a whore it is just to contain the radioactivity let alone handling the fissile materials! And then the effects radiation has on electronics. Hope your bomb don't decide to set itself off! Personally without the lab or containment bunker let alone the deployment site and deployment vehicle I would not want to mess with one. If anything I would MUCH rather figure out how to create a dielectric short between the Ionosphere and the ground in a way I can target any place on earth and dump the biggest lightning bolts on cities people have ever seen. I am talking, "Pay me 10,000 long tons of gold and 10,000 long tons of platinum or watch New York City get erased from the map." Oh to be able to go Scorpio on the UN! Picking on America and being able to do so with impunity would be a sign to the rest of the world they have NO CHANCE! I think zapping a bunch of refineries and power stations causing a HUGE disaster and then informing someone of my demands would very much have their attention. Especially if I could likewise take out the satellite advantage they have with the same system! I am pretty sure the scale of what I have in mind would cause EMP far greater than a whole bunch of Nukes going off! NICOLAI TESLA THEORIZED ABOUT SUCH A WEAPON AND EVEN HAD EXPERIMENTS TO PROVE ITS VALIDITY! I can imagine potential threats within the scope of our technology that would make you get fear goose bumps. Hell, how many doomsday nutjobs out there have tried to unleash biodeath on us already? More than our government will admit to! Anthrax is the particular favorite. But Ebola, now we are talking! In an ideal world we all would just get alone. Not the case! So shall we dance on extremes again? AndyBgood...now you're making excuses why people shouldn't have the right to bear nukes because they might be dangerous ...that appears to be the same argument Gun control advocates are making about guns you seem to agree with them more than you are willing to admit ...for instance...you claim that only those with "legitimate" carry conceal gun card should be able to take guns into schools, courthouses etc... I don't remember anything in the 2nd amendment about citizens needing a gun conceal carry card to bear arms ...so can you explain why someone would need one ..and can you explain this without sounding like Obama? For one just the toxicity of Radioactive substances in the first place! WE THE PEOPLE DO BEAR NUKES but under a strict structure of authority and rules we adhere to tightly. sounds like something Obama would say It takes a lot to be allowed to hold the keys to Armageddon! Next. sounds like something Obama would say What do you do with a nuke once you build it? We do not store active weapons. Active weapons are set on delivery systems just in case they get the order. So what if I have 25 kilotons of force in my basement aye? That is an over reactive extreme to the right to bear arms. Now bazookas, rpgs and flamethrowers? A little over the top but frankly in the right hands they are safe. In the wrong hands they are not. Machine guns, They are FUN AS HELL TO SHOOT! Behind a .50 BMG I feel like GOD! Never got to light off a BIG BIG gun yet. Did some rocketry as well including making some 'eh, well, best I not talk about it style rockets just to see if I could do it. Red match heads! That is all I will say. And they go up like hells bells! One of those hybrid motors made my Estes rocket into a magic act. Now you see it, now you don't. All I could do was follow the white line into the sky where I could see the streamer coming down BARELY! I was one of those science geeks in high school. One of the scary ones! sounds like something an asylum escapee might say But again just becasue I wield such power do I have a right to use it to hold sway? sounds like something Obama would say I do not see the second amendment entitling anyone to use capital firepower in the name of gain. But in the name of defending our homes? sounds like something the USSR would say I actually feel the restrictions we have are stupid and don't address the real problems. Likewise we can't seem to get the fact in our heads there will always be Bad Seeds! sounds like something the NRA would say I feel if you want a nuke knock yourself out. I just hope you know how to keep a from grip on the tail of that tiger! and that's why Obama is trying to place in laws and restriction on guns ..to keep a grip on that tiger ... AndyBgood..now do you see how much you have in common with the philosophy of Obama 100% fallacious comparisons! Wow, I did not think I would have seen that coming. I think like Obama, the USSR and the NRA? I MUST BE ONE COMPLETELY CONFUSED FUCQING LIBERAL! ROTFL my friend... ROTFL! Obama took the tiger by the tail when he gave Wall Street the bail out WE should have gotten. He is afraid of being the guy in the middle should a full blown rebellion break out thanks to him. Too bad he took a job being a puppet. he should be scared. He is sure not serving MY interests. He isn't serving America! We all know he sold out. Its supposedly the American way. So is living in fear of guns! Geez... if you're not like Obama..then explain why you believe that only those with "legitmate" conceal carry gun cards should be the only ones allowed to carry guns into schools courtrooms public events etc...because that sure sound like gun control...perhaps that's why you keep foregetting to answer that question remember explain it without sounding like Obama Gun control is putting the shots where and only where you want them. training for carry concealed makes me feel better knowing some YAHOO ain't trying to play super cop. On top of that we have not even gone over OPEN CARRY! no need to regulate that. I can see that person has a gun! So what you want to justify drinking alcohol on a campus too? And sounding like Obama? Really? I still want to own an MBR. (MAIN BATTLE RIFLE) I appreciate the engineering myself. And it has decent horsepower. Oh but 30 round clips are scary. I like 100 round clips myself! |
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it's amazing how you guys keep making excuses and denying your 2nd amendment right to bear nukes.....is this NRA brainwashing? to help only sell their products of guns and ammo but anyway "RoamingOrator"... as for you claiming that your brother can handle nukes....don't your brother have you for a brother, and you already promised that you would set off a nuke if you ever got hold of one ... so..er..do you ever visit your brother? Well, like I said, my brother is responsible enough to handle a nuke, which means he's responsible enough to know where to hide it from me. Duh! (Oh, and you can just call me "RO," I don't mind) And I'd also argue that a nuke isn't a weapon. Oh, it can be used to cause death and mass destruction, but it isn't a weapon, because in and of itself, it cannot be projected to kill others. You can't throw a nuke, its too heavy. You can't shoot a nuke, it doesn't have a propellant. You can't sling one, once again too big. The weapon part of a nuke is the delivery system. Whether it is a missile or plane, it is what delivers the payload that should be legal to own. I can go buy a plane anywhere, and I've already made the statement that I think I should be allowed to have missiles. The delivery system is what makes a weapon. The act of thrusting is what makes a spear a weapon. The act of firing is what makes a bow a weapon. The act of hurling is what makes a stone a weapon. Munitions, are not covered by the Second Amendment, just the arms. I can reload my own shells, make my own black powder - Grandpa taught me. The Framers did the same or at least could. Don't forget, the cartridge wasn't invented yet, neither the charge, so technically munitions and ammo are not protected by the Second Amendment, they didn't think of it, because these were home-made items. Which means that nukes are not covered by my rights, much to the NRA's dismay (and note they don't mention ammo much, except when dealing with the size of a clip). So yes, nukes can be regulated. We can do it to other sovereign nations, so to do it to the people is no stretch. RoamingOrator....the nuke would be in your Brother's home...how could he hide it...all you need is a geiger counter to find it ...or find the places in his home that has a radiation sign or a skull and crossbones on it ..if he didn't have those he would be irresponsible apparently your brother isn't responsible with a nuke if he allowed you into his home knowing that you would set it off given the chance .... also trying to argue that nukes are not a weapon only shows how you are in denial...try to sell that argument to those on Hiroshima and Nagasakia that nukes aren't a weapon .... also try to sell that argument to the American people ....wow I can't believe you are even using such an argument...desperation perhaps? |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage I guess that depends on the law being issued... So how would these new laws "protect society from the irresponsible"? "Drivemenutz"...I've already presented a question to you that you didn't answer ...but anyway ...let's try that question again THE QUESTION; one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school....do you believe such a law would curb gun violence? |
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Gun control is putting the shots where and only where you want them. so AndyBgood... do that means you recommend that all the crazies place a laser scope on their automatic rifles? training for carry concealed makes me feel better knowing some YAHOO ain't trying to play super cop. Obama feels the same On top of that we have not even gone over OPEN CARRY! no need to regulate that. but you already stated that you want it to be regulated with a "legitimate" conceal carry gun card..... I can see that person has a gun! So what you want to justify drinking alcohol on a campus too? no reason to drink alcohol on campus and get in trouble while it's legal to take prescription drugs And sounding like Obama? Really? I still want to own an MBR. (MAIN BATTLE RIFLE) I appreciate the engineering myself. And it has decent horsepower. Oh but 30 round clips are scary. I like 100 round clips myself! yep...so far in your posts you talked about being responsible and get gun training and about how no one should carry guns to public events or public places unless they have a "legitimate" gun conceal carry card.... your vision is comparable to Obama |
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I am new to this so bear with us. If I understand your comment, you wish to limit ammunition to "standard issue". If by that you mean military standard issue, you would be refering to standard "ball" ammo, also known as FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) or "non-expanding".
As a hunter, I object to this because, this type of ammo is NOT legal for hunting. |
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I am new to this so bear with us. If I understand your comment, you wish to limit ammunition to "standard issue". If by that you mean military standard issue, you would be refering to standard "ball" ammo, also known as FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) or "non-expanding".
As a hunter, I object to this because, this type of ammo is NOT legal for hunting. |
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The second amendment was written for "well regulated militia" first off which is not a bunch of gun crazies loose all over the country. Second, it was written when the government and civilians were on equal ground with the weaponry, not so now and no way the civilian weaponry is any ANY threat to the government at any level. Third, there were not automatic weapons in their day. It took many minutes too load for the next shot.
It is stupidity on our part to not control these weapons, what can be had and who can have them. Hell, the ones who want them the most should be the first to be denied, that is sign of mental unwellness in and of itself... This NRA is designed to keep crazy folks buying guns in mass, that is their whole agenda. That is why they spread the lies of someone taking their guns away. Congresscare (Obamacare) is nothing of what we should have in this country for health care. Congress cut it up so badly that it will not be what we should have but it is a move in the right direction so it will have to be until we can get a smarter congress who will be smart enough to know healthcare should be universal here. |
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The second amendment was written for "well regulated militia" first off which is not a bunch of gun crazies loose all over the country. Second, it was written when the government and civilians were on equal ground with the weaponry, not so now and no way the civilian weaponry is any ANY threat to the government at any level. Third, there were not automatic weapons in their day. It took many minutes too load for the next shot. It is stupidity on our part to not control these weapons, what can be had and who can have them. Hell, the ones who want them the most should be the first to be denied, that is sign of mental unwellness in and of itself... This NRA is designed to keep crazy folks buying guns in mass, that is their whole agenda. That is why they spread the lies of someone taking their guns away. Congresscare (Obamacare) is nothing of what we should have in this country for health care. Congress cut it up so badly that it will not be what we should have but it is a move in the right direction so it will have to be until we can get a smarter congress who will be smart enough to know healthcare should be universal here. |
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I am new to this so bear with us. If I understand your comment, you wish to limit ammunition to "standard issue". If by that you mean military standard issue, you would be refering to standard "ball" ammo, also known as FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) or "non-expanding". standard issue means ammo you can buy in any gun store as of today...in other words...no nuclear tip ammo As a hunter, I object to this because, this type of ammo is NOT legal for hunting. so what type of ammo do your prey use? |
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I am new to this so bear with us. If I understand your comment, you wish to limit ammunition to "standard issue". If by that you mean military standard issue, you would be refering to standard "ball" ammo, also known as FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) or "non-expanding". standard issue means ammo you can buy in any gun store as of today...in other words...no nuclear tip ammo As a hunter, I object to this because, this type of ammo is NOT legal for hunting. so what type of ammo do your prey use? Soft nose, lead (which is being replaced gradually for Antimony based alloys), half jacket, partition loads, and hollow points. And CLEARLY you know nothing of deer my friend. You think they can't protect themselves? I know people who got their *** handed to them by deer! Oh but I bet a BIG STRONG STRAPPING HUNK OF MAN FLESH like yourself would have the balls to walk in the Alaskan Wilderness unarmed! So how do you think you would fare facing a 900 pound bear unarmed? Hell, I bet you would not even do good bare handed against a 250 pound black bear which we have here in California! I have seen one up close. I seen it from behind my Shotgun. I made damn sure to express in a way the bear would understand I was not going to be prey. I growled at it ready to dump a slug in his head! It went its way, I went mine. I would have hated like hell to have to fight a black bear off with my geologist hammer but at least with that I got a chance more so than the knife I carry with me. NO I AM NOT DANIEL BOON! I just know better than to play stupid in the wilds. And no I don't have to shoot my gun at everything I see. AGAIN RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP IS KNOWING WHEN NOT TO SHOOT! I am sure you don't seem to understand human psychology very well. We have a 14 year old mentality. We see a limit we have to push it! Now for nuclear tipped bullets, well, You can hollow out a bullet a little, fill the cavity with mercury, cap it with dense sealing wax, INSTANT EXPLODING BULLETS! Oh and here is one they have in the military hand books, INSTANT GRENADE LAUNCHER, Broom stick, shotgun, a few shots with the projectiles removed, some creative fabrication and VOIALA`! Instant Military grade hardware! Now for bearing nukes, I for one DON'T want to mess with something that just sitting there is leaking poison! Radiation is no JOKE! Again there is a host of laws against owning Particle beam guns, Lasers over a certain power range, and they list a host of energy based weapons that really in the hands of a civilian would be more of a threat to the civilian. But then again people still do research these kinds of weapons in private. So picture this, say I decide on day I am going to make a Tesla Death ray and after a couple of years I finally have one sitting on a bench and decide to set it in the back yard and wind it up and see if it works. Now lets say I point it up just so I don't hit any buildings. I wind it up and I hit the pretty glowing red button and it fires a beam of blue light into the air. "WOW! IT WORKS," and we all say and cheer happily! But then comes the realization it worked all too well. None of us have working cell phones suddenly and cars and all electronics for four or five blocks just QUIT WORKING. And worst is a news report that a jet airliner mysteriously exploded almost 100 miles away becasue somehow you just got a lucky 1 in a million shot in! If you think dumbazzes shooting into the air is bad enough... What about showing restraint with capital fire power. Guns are not capital fire power. Yes I can OWN a working cannon. But FEED IT! I know of people who do demonstrations and reenactments using OLD cannon and they have to pull all kinds of permits to do a demonstration. So why are we pursuing such an extreme ideal? Hell, if I had the tactical and power advantage what would keep me from taking a space ship built for war and proceeding to take over if I could get my hands on said technology?  Haunebu may be more real than our governement will admit! |
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Soft nose, lead (which is being replaced gradually for Antimony based alloys), half jacket, partition loads, and hollow points. And CLEARLY you know nothing of deer my friend. You think they can't protect themselves? I know people who got their *** handed to them by deer! probably from a baby deer like Bambi Oh but I bet a BIG STRONG STRAPPING HUNK OF MAN FLESH like yourself would have the balls to walk in the Alaskan Wilderness unarmed! So how do you think you would fare facing a 900 pound bear unarmed? Hell, I bet you would not even do good bare handed against a 250 pound black bear which we have here in California! I have seen one up close. I seen it from behind my Shotgun. I made damn sure to express in a way the bear would understand I was not going to be prey. I growled at it ready to dump a slug in his head! It went its way, I went mine. I would have hated like hell to have to fight a black bear off with my geologist hammer but at least with that I got a chance more so than the knife I carry with me. NO I AM NOT DANIEL BOON! I just know better than to play stupid in the wilds. And no I don't have to shoot my gun at everything I see. AGAIN RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP IS KNOWING WHEN NOT TO SHOOT! right...responsible gun owners never accidently shoot themselves or anyone else...so I guess former Vice president Chency meant to shoot his hunting buddy I am sure you don't seem to understand human psychology very well. We have a 14 year old mentality. We see a limit we have to push it! Now for nuclear tipped bullets, well, You can hollow out a bullet a little, fill the cavity with mercury, cap it with dense sealing wax, INSTANT EXPLODING BULLETS! Oh and here is one they have in the military hand books, INSTANT GRENADE LAUNCHER, Broom stick, shotgun, a few shots with the projectiles removed, some creative fabrication and VOIALA`! Instant Military grade hardware! isn't that what The Taliban was doing? Now for bearing nukes, I for one DON'T want to mess with something that just sitting there is leaking poison! Radiation is no JOKE! Again there is a host of laws against owning Particle beam guns, Lasers over a certain power range, and they list a host of energy based weapons that really in the hands of a civilian would be more of a threat to the civilian. I see you're still making up excuses not to defend your 2nd amendment rights to bear nukes ....Now if the NRA made nukes...I bet they could fool you into fighting for the right to have one But then again people still do research these kinds of weapons in private. So picture this, say I decide on day I am going to make a Tesla Death ray and after a couple of years I finally have one sitting on a bench and decide to set it in the back yard and wind it up and see if it works. Now lets say I point it up just so I don't hit any buildings. I wind it up and I hit the pretty glowing red button and it fires a beam of blue light into the air. "WOW! IT WORKS," and we all say and cheer happily! But then comes the realization it worked all too well. None of us have working cell phones suddenly and cars and all electronics for four or five blocks just QUIT WORKING. And worst is a news report that a jet airliner mysteriously exploded almost 100 miles away becasue somehow you just got a lucky 1 in a million shot in! If you think dumbazzes shooting into the air is bad enough... What about showing restraint with capital fire power. Guns are not capital fire power. Yes I can OWN a working cannon. But FEED IT! I know of people who do demonstrations and reenactments using OLD cannon and they have to pull all kinds of permits to do a demonstration. So why are we pursuing such an extreme ideal? Hell, if I had the tactical and power advantage what would keep me from taking a space ship built for war and proceeding to take over if I could get my hands on said technology? Haunebu may be more real than our governement will admit! AndyBgood...all you appear to want to do is get advance technology so you can take over ....is that somewhat of an admission that the guns and cannons you have now are obsolete |
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Soft nose, lead (which is being replaced gradually for Antimony based alloys), half jacket, partition loads, and hollow points. And CLEARLY you know nothing of deer my friend. You think they can't protect themselves? I know people who got their *** handed to them by deer! probably from a baby deer like Bambi So you have never seen a 200 pound Buck deer with ten points on its head aye? And I have personally shot a doe that weighed in at 150 pounds. I know, I had to drag it home! But if you want here is a video of just how pissed off a deer can be and the dumbazz coated himself in rutting pheromones... http://youtu.be/9NKH13hrp0c http://youtu.be/Z0oWhUeyhU4 http://youtu.be/hnBYDyo92ss So yeah, tell me more city boy! BTW I know of someone who was gored by a deer trying to help free a deer from a barbwire fence. No good deed goes unpunished! Oh but I bet a BIG STRONG STRAPPING HUNK OF MAN FLESH like yourself would have the balls to walk in the Alaskan Wilderness unarmed! So how do you think you would fare facing a 900 pound bear unarmed? Hell, I bet you would not even do good bare handed against a 250 pound black bear which we have here in California! I have seen one up close. I seen it from behind my Shotgun. I made damn sure to express in a way the bear would understand I was not going to be prey. I growled at it ready to dump a slug in his head! It went its way, I went mine. I would have hated like hell to have to fight a black bear off with my geologist hammer but at least with that I got a chance more so than the knife I carry with me. NO I AM NOT DANIEL BOON! I just know better than to play stupid in the wilds. And no I don't have to shoot my gun at everything I see. AGAIN RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP IS KNOWING WHEN NOT TO SHOOT! right...responsible gun owners never accidently shoot themselves or anyone else...so I guess former Vice president Chency meant to shoot his hunting buddy Quit trying to change the subject. It is a rather common accident for two people spear fishing to nail each other going for the same fish! That is why on a lot of dives I went on we were not allowed to bring spear fishing gear other than Hawaiian slings! So now what? We ban Spear guns too? Again I bet you don't like the idea that you facing a 900 pound bear unarmed. Hell, I would not even want to face one with a spear let alone a sword! GUN ALL THE WAY THANK YOU! I am sure you don't seem to understand human psychology very well. We have a 14 year old mentality. We see a limit we have to push it! Now for nuclear tipped bullets, well, You can hollow out a bullet a little, fill the cavity with mercury, cap it with dense sealing wax, INSTANT EXPLODING BULLETS! Oh and here is one they have in the military hand books, INSTANT GRENADE LAUNCHER, Broom stick, shotgun, a few shots with the projectiles removed, some creative fabrication and VOIALA`! Instant Military grade hardware! isn't that what The Taliban was doing? And Vietcong, and French Partisans during WWII, and Mexican Drug gangs today, your point being? Now for bearing nukes, I for one DON'T want to mess with something that just sitting there is leaking poison! Radiation is no JOKE! Again there is a host of laws against owning Particle beam guns, Lasers over a certain power range, and they list a host of energy based weapons that really in the hands of a civilian would be more of a threat to the civilian. I see you're still making up excuses not to defend your 2nd amendment rights to bear nukes ....Now if the NRA made nukes...I bet they could fool you into fighting for the right to have one But then again people still do research these kinds of weapons in private. So picture this, say I decide on day I am going to make a Tesla Death ray and after a couple of years I finally have one sitting on a bench and decide to set it in the back yard and wind it up and see if it works. Now lets say I point it up just so I don't hit any buildings. I wind it up and I hit the pretty glowing red button and it fires a beam of blue light into the air. "WOW! IT WORKS," and we all say and cheer happily! But then comes the realization it worked all too well. None of us have working cell phones suddenly and cars and all electronics for four or five blocks just QUIT WORKING. And worst is a news report that a jet airliner mysteriously exploded almost 100 miles away becasue somehow you just got a lucky 1 in a million shot in! If you think dumbazzes shooting into the air is bad enough... What about showing restraint with capital fire power. Guns are not capital fire power. Yes I can OWN a working cannon. But FEED IT! I know of people who do demonstrations and reenactments using OLD cannon and they have to pull all kinds of permits to do a demonstration. So why are we pursuing such an extreme ideal? Hell, if I had the tactical and power advantage what would keep me from taking a space ship built for war and proceeding to take over if I could get my hands on said technology? Haunebu may be more real than our governement will admit! AndyBgood...all you appear to want to do is get advance technology so you can take over ....is that somewhat of an admission that the guns and cannons you have now are obsolete HELL YES! I AM SICK OF THE CORRUPTION! I AM SICK OF HOW STUPID AND SELF CENTERED PEOPLE ARE! I AM SICK OF BEING TOLD TO TRUST CRIMINALS! I AM SICK OF PEOPLE IMPOSING THEIR BELIEFS ON ME IN WAYS THAT TAKE MY RIGHTS AND RESTRICT MY FREEDOMS MORE AND MORE! I AM SICK OF FEELING LIKE IT IS A CRIME TO BE A WHITE MAN IN AMERICA! I AM SICK OF BEING TREATED AS A MEANS TO AN END BY A BOGUS AND COMPLETELY MISREPRESENTING STRUCTURE OF AUTHORITY! SO YES, GIVEN THE CHANCE IF I COULD I WOULD INDEED CRUSH THE WORLD IN A WAY PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO! I WOULD RULE UNDER THE 'MING THE MERCILESS' MODEL! RESPECTED BY THE PEOPLE FOR BEING HARSH WHEN I INFLICT PUNISHMENT. FEARED BY MY GOVERNING OFFICIALS BECAUSE IF THEY STEP OUT OF LINE WITH ME DEATH WOULD BE THE QUICK WAY OUT FOR THEM. SUICIDE WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO ESCAPE MY GRASP IF I HAD THINGS MY WAY! WHY? People are still nothing more than stupid sheeple on average! But then again I will not have PIGS running my farm! I have had a glaring lesson taught to me about our society! Its all a huge lie and I am mad I am being lied to and used for this lie we call a Country! My whole idea of home has been turned upside down thanks to our "elected" leadership and stupid racist voters and fellow entitled American TRASH. So yes, given the chance I would not hesitate to go Scorpio on the world. I guess the world is lucky I am a struggling entrepreneur. I so want to nuke Mecca like you don't even KNOW and likewise the Vatican can take a good cratering as well! But I still do have a tiny, VERY tiny glimmer of hope we as a nation may get things right for a change. But again if I had it my way, there is a difference between people grappling with poverty and poor people. The people grappling with poverty deserve help. The poor do not deserve hand outs! And entitled poor deserve to be LEFT BROKE until they get it in their head the world owes them NOTHING!! K, this whole debate has been dancing on a lot of extremes! But at least I make no bones about it. I am not happy with a lie of leadership. If they can't get their act together and it was up to me I would punish them HARSHLY! Again suicide would be the easy way out for them if I had it my way! Again what mercy has 'the system' shown ANYONE? |
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HELL YES! I AM SICK OF THE CORRUPTION! that's a little vague...so are you for laws that restrict people the right to do corruption? I AM SICK OF HOW STUPID AND SELF CENTERED PEOPLE ARE! so are you for laws that restrict people the right to be stupid and self-centered? I AM SICK OF BEING TOLD TO TRUST CRIMINALS! so are you for laws that force parents to teach their children not to trust criminals? I AM SICK OF PEOPLE IMPOSING THEIR BELIEFS ON ME IN WAYS THAT TAKE MY RIGHTS AND RESTRICT MY FREEDOMS MORE AND MORE! so are you for laws that restrict the right to impose ones beliefs, like the ones you are trying to impose on everyone I AM SICK OF FEELING LIKE IT IS A CRIME TO BE A WHITE MAN IN AMERICA! so are you from laws that restrict white men from feeling like a criminal in America and give those feeling back to the minorities? I AM SICK OF BEING TREATED AS A MEANS TO AN END BY A BOGUS AND COMPLETELY MISREPRESENTING STRUCTURE OF AUTHORITY! so are you for laws that restrict people from being treated like a means to an end and completely misrepresenting structure of authority......whatever the hell that means SO YES, GIVEN THE CHANCE IF I COULD I WOULD INDEED CRUSH THE WORLD IN A WAY PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO! I WOULD RULE UNDER THE 'MING THE MERCILESS' MODEL! RESPECTED BY THE PEOPLE FOR BEING HARSH WHEN I INFLICT PUNISHMENT. FEARED BY MY GOVERNING OFFICIALS BECAUSE IF THEY STEP OUT OF LINE WITH ME DEATH WOULD BE THE QUICK WAY OUT FOR THEM. SUICIDE WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO ESCAPE MY GRASP IF I HAD THINGS MY WAY! WHY? yep ..Ming The Merciless even place the "bore worms" on his own daughter... |
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K, this whole debate has been dancing on a lot of extremes not really...the debate displayed how even gun owners want laws that restrict their 2nd amendment right to bear certain arms |
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Funches my brother, I am not for LAWS as you might think. I am for laws that have an idea and spirit behind them but take into account that not all situations are what they may seem at face value, eg, law is gray, not black and white. This does not allow "creative Interpretation." You keep tossing the word LAW around a lot. Our nation's CONGRESS has lost sight of what they were supposed to do. instead of just managing things they went completely overboard and since the term "LAW MAKERS" has stuck with them thanks to the fucqing media instead of working with what we got and fixing and improving it all these career politicians want to do is WRITE LAWS TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES! If someone wants to jump a motorcycle off the Grand Canyon let them but when they die they had better go alone! Laws men nothing to criminals. Deterrent force does mean something to them! But what of criminals hiding behind law and due process? Well, how are they getting voted in? I want to say it is stupid ****ing Americans pretending they are so educated that they cannot see the wolf in sheep's clothing. I also want to say it is stupid fucquing American voters who abuse the privilege and RIGHT to vote by constantly voting for the free handouts and promises of good times and work these WELFARE addicts don't want (which is the work!). If they work they loose their Gubbinit money. I also want to blame these POOR people who have children and expect us all to support them! But they have rights, now don't they. So who am I to infringe on that, right? I make no bones about this, if it was in my power to effect change our welfare system is in for a serious overhaul. And a lot of illegal immigrants would find themselves cut off PDQ. Hmmm, cut off? AND TOSSED OUT! But this is a tangent yet again... And yes, if I thought for a second my daughter was up to something I would spank the little bytch myself but not in the fun way! Ya see, I DON'T appreciate knives aiming t my back especially from those I was supposed to be able to trust. I think Emperor Tiberius summed it up when he said of his rule of Rome that he was nothing more than a Pig Farmer! The mob was nothing more than starving hogs who would turn on him and eat him in a moment if they thought for a second they could. People can and will be what they are laws or not. It is all about the enforcement of laws which we fall oh so short on! And then there are laws which should not exist at all! But why deal with all that when we have stupid azzhats voting "LAWMAKERS" in instead of Administrators! I voted Libertarian for president last pass, not like Johnson had a chance! But at least I have a clear conscious. But likewise just becasue popular vote says one candidate our "Representatives" vote what they feel in the electoral college! WE THE PEOPLE BE DAMNED! Now how you twist my words so tightly. Not buying that whole, "One sentence makes a counter argument," crap or that whole, "Ask questions to pretend you are smarter than the other guy," bit. So tell me, are your balls so big you will take a day hike in the Alaskan Wilderness unarmed with NO ARMED GUIDE? think you can talk the conductor to let you off the train that goes to these places unarmed? Come on... Sampson. I got to know if you got what it takes to take on a lion. Ya see, laws to me are rather meaningless. it is more about common sense and having an idea of what right and wrong are. My perceptions is indeed different from you and everyone else here. But we need some common framework to go by and laws create that framework we go by. But instead of a streamlined machine we have RUBE GOLDBERG government going on. A Clockwork Orange as it may be... And I assure you I am not voting for the chimps screwing us. But likewise I am not going to give into the fear, stupidity, and extremist ideals like the ones you are preaching. So everyone should have a nuke... Yeah, I got 14 or so million dollars just laying round. I'll get it surplus from the Military! Then I'll go take it to the desert and set it off just becasue I want to show people I can blow 14 or so million dollars and piss off President Obama. I also want a Unicorn I can name Sprinkles who farts gold dust and sings Arias in German! Dude, come on, back to earth with the rest of us please... Ya know another reason WHY Civil Defense was done away with? Because if say someone like me was trained and registered with Civil Defense I would have had access to the national guard armories with the right card in pocket! And what kind of hardware do they have at those? MILITARY HARDWARE! Now think if people got mad at Uncle Sam and got to those easily? Can't invoke NWO when people will rush the armories and man up... That means that people with no guns suddenly could have them if say we were indeed invaded and I would love to hear you tell me an Extraterrestrial invasion is completely out of the question! AS it stands we are being invaded from Mexico anyways! We may be in contact now with ET but it is clear evidently not all of them are nice and friendly if that is really the case! That possibility screws with a disarmed population and NWO! Who wants to be unarmed if aliens do descend on us? Then again they will probably nuke the crap out of us anyways! So why work on a bigger stick than the one before? We may very well have to fend off a REAL threat to humanity. Until then we are a threat to ourselves! So how do you like my 185 pounds of moderate centrist right at this moment?  
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