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Just more targeting of Christians. They are NOT going to Jewish/Kosher bakers or Muslim ones, or even Hindu. * That wouldn't make the news * Christian tolerance & Freedom of Religion is what American WAS based on. IMO: something is seriously wrong & something is seriously lacking, with people who NEED universal approval. You asked for it!  http://louderwithcrowder.com/hidden-camera-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakery/ |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 04/04/15 08:20 AM
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I believe that people should have protections from discrimination from the attributes easily assigned them at birth that they have NO CONTROL OVER
like skin color, or gender, or deformity, or nationality,,,etc,, however, I do not believe people should be forced to cater to or accept BEHAVIORS in the businesses or homes that they do not condone there is a difference, and I tire of the two being interchanged as if they are the same thing having a 'preference' for something is different than living a 'lifestyle' and there is a huge difference from denying to offer a person Service (PERIOD) and choosing which services one wiahes to offer I can cater to parties at my restaurant, where children eat, but I shouldnt be forced to provide childrens parties,,, ,,,,that is the real issue,, it wasnt a matter of gay customers being refused service,, it was a matter of a potential customer going to where a specific service wasnt offered,,, |
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Lemme see if I understand...
To protest butt piracy, a christian man tries to contribute financially to gay businesses? Best way to protest a business, is to simply not do business with them. |
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I believe that people should have protections from discrimination from the attributes easily assigned them at birth that they have NO CONTROL OVER like skin color, or gender, or deformity, or nationality,,,etc,, however, I do not believe people should be forced to cater to or accept BEHAVIORS in the businesses or homes that they do not condone there is a difference, and I tire of the two being interchanged as if they are the same thing having a 'preference' for something is different than living a 'lifestyle' and there is a huge difference from denying to offer a person Service (PERIOD) and choosing which services one wiahes to offer I can cater to parties at my restaurant, where children eat, but I shouldnt be forced to provide childrens parties,,, ,,,,that is the real issue,, it wasnt a matter of gay customers being refused service,, it was a matter of a potential customer going to where a specific service wasnt offered,,, 
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Businesses don't have religions, people do. (unless of course that is the basis of the business, ie: Christian bookstore)
Heck, if someone wants to pay me to bake a cake that says "Support Gay Marriage", I will bake a cake. My only policy is: If it is about love. Go for it. If it is about hate. Forget it. Nothing to do with religion, gay rights, discrimination. Just good old fashioned respect. No matter what your business you will always encounter other people with different lifestyles and beliefs. Doesn't mean you want to be like them just because you bake them a cake. But if they won't bake me a cake because I'm (insert whatever you disagree with) then I will simply go somewhere else..or bake my own... Yummm Some people stress about the most trivial things... |
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Businesses don't have religions, people do. (unless of course that is the basis of the business, ie: Christian bookstore) Heck, if someone wants to pay me to bake a cake that says "Support Gay Marriage", I will bake a cake. My only policy is: If it is about love. Go for it. If it is about hate. Forget it. Nothing to do with religion, gay rights, discrimination. Just good old fashioned respect. No matter what your business you will always encounter other people with different lifestyles and beliefs. Doesn't mean you want to be like them just because you bake them a cake. But if they won't bake me a cake because I'm (insert whatever you disagree with) then I will simply go somewhere else..or bake my own... Yummm Some people stress about the most trivial things... It's about religious belief and the 1st amendment. You can't support the Constitution and mandate they must do something they feel is against their religious belief. Have we forgotten the Hobby Lobby? |
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Businesses don't have religions, people do. (unless of course that is the basis of the business, ie: Christian bookstore) Heck, if someone wants to pay me to bake a cake that says "Support Gay Marriage", I will bake a cake. My only policy is: If it is about love. Go for it. If it is about hate. Forget it. Nothing to do with religion, gay rights, discrimination. Just good old fashioned respect. No matter what your business you will always encounter other people with different lifestyles and beliefs. Doesn't mean you want to be like them just because you bake them a cake. But if they won't bake me a cake because I'm (insert whatever you disagree with) then I will simply go somewhere else..or bake my own... Yummm Some people stress about the most trivial things... its not trivial at all what if you had a child who died by a drunk driver and someone wanted you to do a cake supporting drinking? should you be forced to 'just do it',,, if its not a service one wishes to provide(different than it not being a customer they wish to serve), they should never feel forced to I wouldn't scream about a jewish shop owner not offering pork ribs,, this is no different |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Sat 04/04/15 06:18 PM
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If I understand the issues correctly, it's not even about the customer. It's about a cake for something the baker doesn't support...gay marriages, gay rights, etc
Probably would be different if the gay couple came in and wanted just a birthday cake. More about the event than the customer Just like in the OP...that baker had a right to not make an anti gay cake. It goes both ways Can't have your cake and eat it too 
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If I understand the issues correctly, it's not even about the customer. It's about a cake for something the baker doesn't support...gay marriages, gay rights, etc Probably would be different if the gay couple came in and wanted just a birthday cake. More about the event than the customer Just like in the OP...that baker had a right to not make an anti gay cake. It goes both ways Can't have your cake and eat it too Sadly, some states already have anti discrimination laws that force business owners to serve all. A Colorado baker who refused to make a cake for a gay couple has been given an ultimatum by a judge; serve gay weddings or face fines. Administrative law judge Robert N. Spence found Friday that Jack Phillips of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Denver, Colo. violated the law when he turned away David Mullins, 29, and Charlie Craig, 33, from his shop last year. In his written decision, Spence ordered that Phillips "cease and desist from discriminating" against gay couples, or face financial penalties, and cited Colorado state law that prohibits businesses from refusing service based on race, sex, marital status or sexual orientation. http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-sex-weddings/story?id=21136505 Theses laws should scare all Americans, straight or gay. |
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But why would the OP be ok (not saying it is) for a Christian man wanting an anti gay cake?
An atheist should have a right to not make a cross cake for a Christian and so forth. Seens insane to me. If a business refuses...take your business elsewhere. The bakery would lose that sale. That should be their right Customers can chose where they shop. The store should be able to refuse a service based on beliefs. Like I said.... Seems more about the kind of cake/event than the customers themselves. |
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If it is against the bakery's beliefs, they should have that right. If they lose business...that's on them but they should be able to decide. The couple can go to another bakery. Sounds like the couple did it to make a big deal out of nothing Ever hear...no shirt, no shoes, no service? ironically the move will only allow more business for the business owners with the publicity and the support that's been rolling in,,,, |
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But why would the OP be ok (not saying it is) for a Christian man wanting an anti gay cake? An atheist should have a right to not make a cross cake for a Christian and so forth. Seens insane to me. If a business refuses...take your business elsewhere. The bakery would lose that sale. That should be their right Customers can chose where they shop. The store should be able to refuse a service based on beliefs. Like I said.... Seems more about the kind of cake/event than the customers themselves. ty  my thoughts exactly the customer wasn't refused, the service just wasn't offered,,, |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Sat 04/04/15 06:36 PM
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Could even be said the customer didn't respect the bakers beliefs.
I missed the political forum
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But why would the OP be ok (not saying it is) for a Christian man wanting an anti gay cake? An atheist should have a right to not make a cross cake for a Christian and so forth. Seens insane to me. If a business refuses...take your business elsewhere. The bakery would lose that sale. That should be their right Customers can chose where they shop. The store should be able to refuse a service based on beliefs. Like I said.... Seems more about the kind of cake/event than the customers themselves. These laws put sexual orientation on the same level as race or gender. Which, to me, is ridiculous. If I were a black man, I'd be appaled at equivocating "gay rights" to African Americans struggles in this country. Also, because of Indiana's new law that attempts to protect business owners from the type of lawsuit that was bestowed upon the aforementioned Colorado bakery....this issue has been brought to light again. The OP was just pointing out that things seem to only work one way......as that story gained zero media coverage. |
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But why would the OP be ok (not saying it is) for a Christian man wanting an anti gay cake? An atheist should have a right to not make a cross cake for a Christian and so forth. Seens insane to me. If a business refuses...take your business elsewhere. The bakery would lose that sale. That should be their right Customers can chose where they shop. The store should be able to refuse a service based on beliefs. Like I said.... Seems more about the kind of cake/event than the customers themselves. These laws put sexual orientation on the same level as race or gender. Which, to me, is ridiculous. If I were a black man, I'd be appaled at equivocating "gay rights" to African Americans struggles in this country. Also, because of Indiana's new law that attempts to protect business owners from the type of lawsuit that was bestowed upon the aforementioned Colorado bakery....this issue has been brought to light again. The OP was just pointing out that things seem to only work one way......as that story gained zero media coverage. I believe its misleading to attempt to equate this with discriminating against 'someone',, they were free to order any of the things others order,, the owner would not make cakes for gay wedding, regardless of the orientation of the customer this is trying to force a service they don't wish to provide,,, |
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believe its misleading to attempt to equate this with discriminating against 'someone',, they were free to order any of the things others order,, the owner would not make cakes for gay wedding, regardless of the orientation of the customer this is trying to force a service they don't wish to provide,,, We agree...the radical LGBT doesnt....They see themselves as another "race"...... And there's the fact that the private business owner's rights get violated....but to hell with that, according to radical LGBTs.... |
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Businesses don't have religions, people do. (unless of course that is the basis of the business, ie: Christian bookstore) Heck, if someone wants to pay me to bake a cake that says "Support Gay Marriage", I will bake a cake. My only policy is: If it is about love. Go for it. If it is about hate. Forget it. Nothing to do with religion, gay rights, discrimination. Just good old fashioned respect. No matter what your business you will always encounter other people with different lifestyles and beliefs. Doesn't mean you want to be like them just because you bake them a cake. But if they won't bake me a cake because I'm (insert whatever you disagree with) then I will simply go somewhere else..or bake my own... Yummm Some people stress about the most trivial things... its not trivial at all what if you had a child who died by a drunk driver and someone wanted you to do a cake supporting drinking? should you be forced to 'just do it',,, if its not a service one wishes to provide(different than it not being a customer they wish to serve), they should never feel forced to I wouldn't scream about a jewish shop owner not offering pork ribs,, this is no different the gay agenda... one of the downfalls of a democratic order, once a certain population has majority, the laws change for them... gay judges, gay politicians gay lawmakers and enforcers... maybe just the earths way of trying to maintain a balance? |
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its not about the cake, or the baker, or the customer. this is simply the government using the media to normalize the fact that we as americans rights are being eroded. i cant believe this would even count as being "news", who the hell cares go to a different cake store or bake one yourself, dont try to force someone to do what they dont feel comfortable doing. if your a person of color and say someone comes into your cake shop wanting a cake with the n word on it, should you be forced to do it?
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