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Estelle stated >>> If you respect yourself and you see yourself as a woman, then there is a conflict if you don't respect feminists. They are people who fought for your human rights, if you don't appreciate them or respect them, how can you say you respect yourself as a woman? Bashajones stated >>> LOL...I don't only see myself as a woman, I am a woman....  I don't think you fully understand what a modern feminist is or what they stand for, Estelle. Feminists do not fight for my human rights. My human rights are God-given. I don't need a "feminist" to fight for me...ha! Just as human life is God-given. And feminists have NO respect for human life. You still wanna tell me about respecting feminists, Estelle? You don't even know what they stand for, do you? I'm all 'EARS'...please enlighten me? This will be interesting; what the younger generation thinks and feels about feminists and how you've arrived at that conclusion "that they have NO respect for human life"! So, fill me in...I seem to have lost something as I've aged! Bashajones stated >>> Alright. The modern feminist agenda has become entirely about birth control (prevention of life) and abortion (termination of life). How does that show any respect for human life? Feminists nowadays are focused on the abortion lobby and making sure that teens can get the "morning-after" pill...Okay, well, that's fine for all the females that ALSO support that. But, what about those of us that don't? Those of us that aren't "feminists".... Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. Granted, Basha...there are a lot of groups that have gotten behind the 'RIGHT TO LIFE/PRO-CHOICE' that have used such terms as Liberated Woman/Groups from WOW etc., etc., but for the basic Feminism/Feminist it's the same top 5 social structure issues that we struggled with back in the mid 60's 1. The Division of Domestic Labor 2. The Media 3. The Glass Ceiling 4. Social Inequality 5. Violence Against Women Progress has been made but it's still a huge up hill battle and it slow going! And when I read things like what happened in India where those women took it upon themselves to find the rapist and beat him senseless because their own government wasn't respecting their fear and doing anything about this horror; I CHEERED and had hope in my heart that the courage to stand up to abuse is spreading and we are making inroads and we are helping make social changes! You belong to this 'SISTERHOOD' rather you like it or not; and should you ever have a daughter and she asks your about the Feminist Movement, well I'd hope you'd see the entire panoramic work that we've been doing - not just the Pro-Choice issue! Well...When feminism actually starts making some REAL progress in any of these other issues BESIDES the Pro-Choice issue, I'll look at it differently. Until then, I don't think I want to be a part of this "SISTERHOOD"...Thank you.... 
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Edited by
WonderWoman48
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Sun 05/03/15 02:08 PM
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Estelle!
You are under arrest for being feminist. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?  |
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Estelle! You are under arrest for being feminist. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you. Do you understand the rights I have just read to you? Haha!...Cute emoticons. |
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I'm a feminist and I believe that other women can make the choices they want for their body and their life, and I have no right to be a hypocrite and say that's wrong. Live and let live, and women should stop putting other women down, don't you know we have enough of that elsewhere already?
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Estelle79 stated >>> I'm a feminist and I believe that other women can make the choices they want for their body and their life, and I have no right to be a hypocrite and say that's wrong. Live and let live, and women should stop putting other women down, don't you know we have enough of that elsewhere already? Rather disheartening to hear how some have condensed all the main social/economic issues of feminism down into a 'PRO-CHOICE/RIGHT TO LIFE' issue and thrown out all the hard work and longevity that we've made/discounted how far we have yet to go! But with all things that matter most; water/horse and that water trough and you can't force the horse to drink! Seems rather odd to my gray head that with the NFL finally taking a stand for their players union to step up and be responsible 'MEN & FAMILY LEADERS' we haven't been able to explain why we need to keep educating the masses about the importance of what we do and why we do it! Really odd... 
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So, conservatives are against human rights for women?
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 05/03/15 02:59 PM
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sometimes the message of 'equal' harms more than it helps,,,
from my perspective,, trying so hard to prove how 'equal' we were actually required us to start being better than, ,because we never stopped being expected to be EVERYTHING we already were,, we just became expected to be all that men were too and everything we already were was not focused on as 'equal' so where we took care of family and home before, we told men we can do your job TOO,,, instead of the job we have already is as important as yours I believe it often works that way,, proving 'equality' truly means requiring the one trying to prove themselves to be BETTER THAN instead of equal to |
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I'm not sexist. Being sexist is wrong, and being wrong is for women.
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sometimes the message of 'equal' harms more than it helps,,, from my perspective,, trying so hard to prove how 'equal' we were actually required us to start being better than, ,because we never stopped being expected to be EVERYTHING we already were,, we just became expected to be all that men were too and everything we already were was not focused on as 'equal' so where we took care of family and home before, we told men we can do your job TOO,,, instead of the job we have already is as important as yours I believe it often works that way,, proving 'equality' truly means requiring the one trying to prove themselves to be BETTER THAN instead of equal to I totally agree with this and never thought of it that way? |
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sometimes the message of 'equal' harms more than it helps,,, from my perspective,, trying so hard to prove how 'equal' we were actually required us to start being better than, ,because we never stopped being expected to be EVERYTHING we already were,, we just became expected to be all that men were too and everything we already were was not focused on as 'equal' so where we took care of family and home before, we told men we can do your job TOO,,, instead of the job we have already is as important as yours I believe it often works that way,, proving 'equality' truly means requiring the one trying to prove themselves to be BETTER THAN instead of equal to What some of us mean by equal is human rights for men and women. |
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Estelle79 stated >>> So, conservatives are against human rights for women?  HOLY MOLY - and here I was raised to believe we weren't grown from some rubber stamped mold somewhere? WHO KNEW?  |
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So, conservatives are against human rights for women? Yes I am pro choice... and don't tell me conservatives don't love guns because just so you know guns is not pro life. Just so I know, guns is not pro life? LOL. Wow. Actually, I do support the right to carry a gun and protect MY OWN LIFE......So, yes....Guns are pro-life. Do you want to know what I really think? Guns don't kill people. Feminists kill people. |
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sometimes the message of 'equal' harms more than it helps,,, from my perspective,, trying so hard to prove how 'equal' we were actually required us to start being better than, ,because we never stopped being expected to be EVERYTHING we already were,, we just became expected to be all that men were too and everything we already were was not focused on as 'equal' so where we took care of family and home before, we told men we can do your job TOO,,, instead of the job we have already is as important as yours I believe it often works that way,, proving 'equality' truly means requiring the one trying to prove themselves to be BETTER THAN instead of equal to What some of us mean by equal is human rights for men and women. what human right did we not have? |
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Edited for targeting members rather than the topic.
soufie Site Moderator |
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I don;t have real strong opinions one way or the other but I am very suspicious of men who spout a lot of anti feminist rhetoric. I am afraid they'd be too domineering and controlling....possibly mysogynistic
and suspicious of women who spout a lot of anti feminist rhetoric that they are just tryna puzzy up to the guys. Mostly I look for people have balanced approaches to most things, including gender equality. which is a must , of course :) |
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I need Feminism because when I act like a drama queen people treat me like a drama queen.
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I need Feminism because when I act like a drama queen people treat me like a drama queen. |
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I need Feminism because my beauty and charm can drive mere mortals into madness.
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I need feminism because I'm not into dudes (not that there is anything wrong with that)
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