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We develop beliefs on almost everything we learn about in life. They generally crystallize either by passively following the beliefs of the society for long or through our own analysis and reasons.
Do we realize that all that we believe may not be really true? For thousands of years, people have come and gone having divergent beliefs on subjects such as our origin, our religions and cultures, what’s good and bad, virtues and vices, heaven and hell or angels and devils etc. So, how important is it for you that your beliefs be true? Some people are not that particular, so, they would either get reluctantly aligned to the beliefs of their religions or parents and stay in denial about the facts of life realizing deep inside that whatever their parents wanted them to believe in may not be true after all. Finally, because of human limitations, it is not possible for us to verify everything before accepting them as truths. So, is it better to leave a void in our matrix of paradigms if we can’t verify them or is it better to fill the void with something we aren’t sure about based on reasons. However, if we have lived our lives to the full, these beliefs don’t matter anyway. Is eternal happiness linked to the ‘beliefs’ or to the ‘truth in the beliefs’? I know false beliefs have been used as dangerous weapons in the past. Your thoughts? |
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Do beliefs matter? Of course they do. I believe that I'll have another drink.
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Opie, i believe you have way too much time in your hands...
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Opie, i believe you have way too much time in your hands... Too much time on weekends + Too much Beer + Hot summer = Great philosophical posts |
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Opie, i believe you have way too much time in your hands... Too much time on weekends + Too much Beer + Hot summer = Great philosophical posts  Too much beer? Is that possible?
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Opie, i believe you have way too much time in your hands... Too much time on weekends + Too much Beer + Hot summer = Great philosophical posts Too much beer? Is that possible? What's the problem having beer? 
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Opie, i believe you have way too much time in your hands... Too much time on weekends + Too much Beer + Hot summer = Great philosophical posts Too much beer? Is that possible? In the arabian summer heat...probably the effects of heatstroke
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I think you've hopped right past the logical things to look at in this, OP.
Back and forth, in fact. First, you need to calm down and realize that when you started talking about peoples' "beliefs," that you were conflating a whole lot of VERY different and sometimes entirely unrelated things altogether in a rather nasty mucky stew. The comment "I believe I'll have another drink" actually pointed to what I'm talking about pretty well. That's the problem with using a word like "belief" to talk about this subject area, the word itself can refer to anything from a huge set of carefully crafted concepts and rules and guidance and social mores.... to a vague notion about almost nothing at all. And your opening post accidentally points up an important consideration, which your anxious jumping around prevented you from considering yourself, when you asked how important it is that someone think that their beliefs are true. The process of developing belief systems, is actually almost identical to the progress of supposedly entirely secular Science, in that in both cases, it is the OVERARCHING notion that we are on a journey to DISCOVER the truth, which is the key to everything. Not the stopping points along the way. Yes, it is of UTMOST importance that a person think that whatever they believe is "true." However, "true" is ANOTHER one of those words which has more than one meaning, and as with "belief," you must be VERY careful that you don't switch back and forth between meanings as you try to discuss it, or nothing you conclude will be of any value. One way that people try to differentiate, is to capitalize one version, and use lower case for the other version. Saying something is the truth, is not the same as saying something is The Truth. The reason why a persons' sense of their beliefs being accurate is essential, is that even when you don't directly realize it, all of your actions AND YOUR INACTIONS, are based on what you believe. Just because you don't "quote chapter and verse," so to speak, right before you empty the garbage, doesn't mean that your belief systems weren't involved with your doing so. |
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From the looks of this thread, I'd say that some blokes overthink things way too much ...
... and probably should have a pint. 
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We develop beliefs on almost everything we learn about in life. They generally crystallize either by passively following the beliefs of the society for long or through our own analysis and reasons. Do we realize that all that we believe may not be really true? For thousands of years, people have come and gone having divergent beliefs on subjects such as our origin, our religions and cultures, what’s good and bad, virtues and vices, heaven and hell or angels and devils etc. So, how important is it for you that your beliefs be true? Some people are not that particular, so, they would either get reluctantly aligned to the beliefs of their religions or parents and stay in denial about the facts of life realizing deep inside that whatever their parents wanted them to believe in may not be true after all. Finally, because of human limitations, it is not possible for us to verify everything before accepting them as truths. So, is it better to leave a void in our matrix of paradigms if we can’t verify them or is it better to fill the void with something we aren’t sure about based on reasons. However, if we have lived our lives to the full, these beliefs don’t matter anyway. Is eternal happiness linked to the ‘beliefs’ or to the ‘truth in the beliefs’? I know false beliefs have been used as dangerous weapons in the past. Your thoughts? I believe certain things are true and don;t give a crap about most of the rest of what was said in the OP. Life is too short to worry about it and I can;t stand people who want to start petty bickering over what is true or not, right wrong etc.....not a debater. I think people are entitled to their beliefs and entitled to change them over time which many of us do |
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I thought beliefs where believing in something even though there's no concrete evidence, God for instance.
I believe there must be life on other planets even though there's no evidence. I also believe I may have misunderstood the OP's point. 
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That's faith Joe
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As a child I believed in Santa Claus and god but as an adult rational thought tells me otherwise . I now know Santa was dad  and as for god I am still waiting for proof of his existence :-) |
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I guess to answer one of the questions, all I can say is that it would be a waste of a time and energy if your beliefs were not true. A lot of the people on this planet believe in the same God. And still fight like cats and dogs.
So I guess I can say beliefs can be dangerous too. Personally, I believe in God. I also believe that there is no soul. Once your gone your gone. Someday in the distant future, I believe God will wake me and everyone else to get what we all deserve. |
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Edited by
spopo57
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Fri 06/12/15 08:28 AM
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I guess to answer one of the questions, all I can say is that it would be a waste of a time and energy if your beliefs were not true. A lot of the people on this planet believe in the same God. And still fight like cats and dogs.
So I guess I can say beliefs can be dangerous too. Personally, I believe in God. I also believe that there is no soul. Once your gone your gone. Someday in the distant future, I believe God will wake me and everyone else to get what we all deserve. That being said I'm not deeply religious. I haven't even been to a church in years. I experience God in my own way. I don't push my beliefs on others. Double post. Man this forum is giving me all kind of problems. Lot of it has to do with my laptop though. It's on it's last legs. |
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how important is it for you that your beliefs be true? Not nearly as important as being consistent with beliefs, avoiding paying lip service to a belief while behaving contrary to it. Do we realize that all that we believe may not be really true? I don't think that realization is nearly as important as figuring out how much you are willing to defend a belief in the face of an opposing opinion or possible proof it's not that true, or how far you're willing to go to try and protect your belief you've proved to yourself to be true from others. is it better to leave a void in our matrix of paradigms if we can�t verify them or is it better to fill the void with something we aren�t sure about based on reasons Human beings can't leave a void in our "matrix of paradigms." They will be filled in subconsciously if not consciously. Leaving a void creates fear of something unknown. Fear increases stress. People hate stress and naturally avoid it and try to expel it, seeking out ways to get rid of it. if we have lived our lives to the full, these beliefs don�t matter anyway. There is no living life to the "full." There's just living life. If you follow trying to live life to the "full" then you have to define what that means. That forces you to measure your life in comparison to others, make judgments, and determine if your life is better than that of someone else. That leads to living life, just not your own. And then you run around wondering why you aren't happy and feeling like you think you should because you did what they did. In more socialistic or group oriented cultures that's usually fine, but in more individualistic (western) cultures that's just going to lead to all sorts of problems. Is eternal happiness linked to the �beliefs� or to the �truth in the beliefs�? The idea of eternal happiness is a belief without any real proof it actually exists. You know anyone that has eternally existed? And they've given you eternal updates to their emotional state? So you may as well be asking is flabbertymij linked to the beliefs or to the truth in the beliefs? Sure, whatever you want. I know false beliefs have been used as dangerous weapons in the past. So have true beliefs. So have true beliefs that turned into false beliefs due to social and technological change. So has personal self interest masquerading as a belief. Pretty much anything a human being can use as a weapon will be used as a weapon to protect themselves. Thoughts, beliefs, ideas, feelings, emotions, tools, whatever. Your thoughts? I think if you cut and paste you should provide the source of origin. When you have "what�s" instead of "what's" then it was copied from a different website. |
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Do beliefs matter? Of course they do. I believe that I'll have another drink. I'll drink to that short days here need to know right away if person has strong beliefs and ramble on about God because then can not waste my finger energy and him quick thanks but no thanks seems like beliefs matter to THEM and it is theirs to do so |
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Edited by
Lukinfolov
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Sat 06/13/15 09:54 PM
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how important is it for you that your beliefs be true? Not nearly as important as being consistent with beliefs, avoiding paying lip service to a belief while behaving contrary to it. Do we realize that all that we believe may not be really true? I don't think that realization is nearly as important as figuring out how much you are willing to defend a belief in the face of an opposing opinion or possible proof it's not that true, or how far you're willing to go to try and protect your belief you've proved to yourself to be true from others. is it better to leave a void in our matrix of paradigms if we can�t verify them or is it better to fill the void with something we aren�t sure about based on reasons Human beings can't leave a void in our "matrix of paradigms." They will be filled in subconsciously if not consciously. Leaving a void creates fear of something unknown. Fear increases stress. People hate stress and naturally avoid it and try to expel it, seeking out ways to get rid of it. if we have lived our lives to the full, these beliefs don�t matter anyway. There is no living life to the "full." There's just living life. If you follow trying to live life to the "full" then you have to define what that means. That forces you to measure your life in comparison to others, make judgments, and determine if your life is better than that of someone else. That leads to living life, just not your own. And then you run around wondering why you aren't happy and feeling like you think you should because you did what they did. In more socialistic or group oriented cultures that's usually fine, but in more individualistic (western) cultures that's just going to lead to all sorts of problems. Is eternal happiness linked to the �beliefs� or to the �truth in the beliefs�? The idea of eternal happiness is a belief without any real proof it actually exists. You know anyone that has eternally existed? And they've given you eternal updates to their emotional state? So you may as well be asking is flabbertymij linked to the beliefs or to the truth in the beliefs? Sure, whatever you want. I know false beliefs have been used as dangerous weapons in the past. So have true beliefs. So have true beliefs that turned into false beliefs due to social and technological change. So has personal self interest masquerading as a belief. Pretty much anything a human being can use as a weapon will be used as a weapon to protect themselves. Thoughts, beliefs, ideas, feelings, emotions, tools, whatever. Your thoughts? I think if you cut and paste you should provide the source of origin. When you have "what�s" instead of "what's" then it was copied from a different website. I type out these abstract thoughts when I get inquisitive about life in my notebook and then blog them on forums to get others' feedback. So, what makes you think its copied? |
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I type out these abstract thoughts when I get inquisitive about life in my notebook and then blog them on forums to get others' feedback. So, what makes you think its copied? 2 reasons. 1. (as I said in my original post) When you have "what�s" instead of "what's" then it was copied from a different website. Whenever there is that "�" instead of, or in addition to, a comma it means it was copy and pasted. 2. You can highlight sentences or paragraphs of material, right click, and choose "search google" and it will search for the text. Doing so with yours brings up as the first match: http://www.qatarliving.com/forum/qatar-living-lounge/posts/do-beliefs-really-matter That's from 4 years ago. And it's a word for word match for what you posted in the OP. Maybe you wrote that since your profile puts you in or near Qatar, and the other site lists the author as "anonymous," I don't know. So, it does exist verbatim on another website, and this version has markers of being copied from the web. That's what makes me think it was copied. |
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I type out these abstract thoughts when I get inquisitive about life in my notebook and then blog them on forums to get others' feedback. So, what makes you think its copied? 2 reasons. 1. (as I said in my original post) When you have "what�s" instead of "what's" then it was copied from a different website. Whenever there is that "�" instead of, or in addition to, a comma it means it was copy and pasted. 2. You can highlight sentences or paragraphs of material, right click, and choose "search google" and it will search for the text. Doing so with yours brings up as the first match: http://www.qatarliving.com/forum/qatar-living-lounge/posts/do-beliefs-really-matter That's from 4 years ago. And it's a word for word match for what you posted in the OP. Maybe you wrote that since your profile puts you in or near Qatar, and the other site lists the author as "anonymous," I don't know. So, it does exist verbatim on another website, and this version has markers of being copied from the web. That's what makes me think it was copied. You are right...I had posted it on qatarliving as well. I am still a member of that forum but the crowd isn't interesting any more. I am in Qatar for the last six years. You may find more such blogs from me which really would set you thinking..!! |
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